Stefan Haertel
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The best for all of mankind and the entire world would have been if the humans wouldn't have evolved from the Stone Age. Before you start rolling your eyes or posting lol smilies, I mean it, and you should think about it.
why communism didn't work
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Evie
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Maybe not the best for mankind, but certainly the best for everything *except* mankind in this world (maybe not counting the cockroaches which will one day take over the world at the rate we're going).
I quite agree with you Stefan. It isn't communist that's an inherently flawed - it's mankind which is.
If mankind wasn't inherently flawed, pure communism and pure capitalism would both be awesome systems.
I quite agree with you Stefan. It isn't communist that's an inherently flawed - it's mankind which is.
If mankind wasn't inherently flawed, pure communism and pure capitalism would both be awesome systems.
ottomankhadi
Chieftain
cause it feels so empty without God ...
Suppersalmon
Think Safely think again
Marx predicted it would take a 1000 years from the start movment to completion and would not be as it was in USSR as he based the theory on a country like Britain or Germany of his time gradually moving unlike the USSR just suddenly declareing itself communist
nonconformist
Miserable
Communism didn't work because it is impossible to sustain a Marxist communist system alone, while surrounded by capitalist countries. Esopecially those that embargo and refuse to recognise various communist countries. Like the U.S.A. That is the main reason Cuba is so poor; U.S.A trade embargos. Yet they happily use Havana cigars.
most European countries have had vaguly, or fundementally Marxist revolutions, or changes. The English Civil War, for instance. Or the French Revolution. Or the Spartacist uprising.
most European countries have had vaguly, or fundementally Marxist revolutions, or changes. The English Civil War, for instance. Or the French Revolution. Or the Spartacist uprising.
Don't make such statement.
The embargo only prevents Cuba to trade with the US. They can and DO trade with the rest of the world.
Castro said the purpose of the revolution was to get rid of yankee exploitation, and now whines that the yanks don't want to trade with him.
What did he expect after confiscating ALL american properties in Cuba? A smile?
Cuba is so poor for two reasons:
1-Communism leads to poverty
2-Castro is a demented tyrant who only cares for himself(he has U$200 millions in a bank account in Switzerland, has a presidential Rolls-Royce, palaces and etc, while his people starve).
Archer 007
Rebirth
I dont believe that I come anywhere close to agreeing with you. The only fault is see is the part about socialism.
nonconformist
Miserable
There is a huge difference between trade and exploitation.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Castro cut off his own nose to spite his face.
As I said (almost) in the earlier thread:
Please inform me if I am mistaken (I'm no expert), but doesn't the capitalist system have to stagnate before communism can begin? In that case, I don't think Marx's required circumstances have ever happened, because capitalization must first stagnate. Thus it would not be fair to say Marx's communism could not exist, because we haven't yet had conditions were it could exist.
Though personally, I think it is doomed to failure either way.
Please inform me if I am mistaken (I'm no expert), but doesn't the capitalist system have to stagnate before communism can begin? In that case, I don't think Marx's required circumstances have ever happened, because capitalization must first stagnate. Thus it would not be fair to say Marx's communism could not exist, because we haven't yet had conditions were it could exist.
Though personally, I think it is doomed to failure either way.
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communism is not a perfect system. It is the most ridiculous you could ever imagine. Karl Marx is not a great thinker but a bungler
Exactly. If you don't want to be controlled and exploited by me, I'll either beat you up(if you're real weak) or isolate you.
And Why would the rest of the world want to be-friend with Cuba if it's America's arch enermy ? Does Brazil dare to do that ?
I know Castro's Cuba aren't doing well, but your two questions don't make sense.
The US simply refused to trade with him. That's a VERY moderate position.
Yes, Brazil does that, and a LOT. In fact, Brazil is the second greatest commercial partner of Cuba, after Spain. Cuba trades with the whole world with the exception of the US
In fact they do, since Cuba CAN and DOES trade with the rest of the world.
Stefan Haertel
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This isn't a historical discussion, IMHO.
The Commander
Warlord
Well don't try to claim that the Soviet Union and China weren't communist states and that they were 'totalitarianists' or something similar. Communism sounds great on paper, everyone is equal, nobody has an unfair advantage etc. but it just doesn't work in reality.
Communism severely limits economic freedoms of people, and once you lose your economic freedom, political freedom is just a stone's throw away. Give just about anyone enough power and they will exploit and abuse it, it's jsut human nature, we are greedy selfish creatures and always will be, it's rooted at the very base of our survival instinct.
Socialism is supposed to be the big meeting point between Capitalism and Socialism, but all socialist countries end up on a slow decline, most of Europe is in serious financial trouble right now and can't bounce back and recover as easy as a capitalist country.
As for combining a a communist economic system with a democratic government, it is impossible, there is no happy medium. When i was a bit younger i thought such a thing was possible, but you just can't combine a system that gives everyone equal rights and one that takes away everyone's rights.
Hmm, you're right Stefan Haertel, this isn't really a historical discussion, maybe i ought to be moved to off-topic?
Communism severely limits economic freedoms of people, and once you lose your economic freedom, political freedom is just a stone's throw away. Give just about anyone enough power and they will exploit and abuse it, it's jsut human nature, we are greedy selfish creatures and always will be, it's rooted at the very base of our survival instinct.
Socialism is supposed to be the big meeting point between Capitalism and Socialism, but all socialist countries end up on a slow decline, most of Europe is in serious financial trouble right now and can't bounce back and recover as easy as a capitalist country.
As for combining a a communist economic system with a democratic government, it is impossible, there is no happy medium. When i was a bit younger i thought such a thing was possible, but you just can't combine a system that gives everyone equal rights and one that takes away everyone's rights.
Hmm, you're right Stefan Haertel, this isn't really a historical discussion, maybe i ought to be moved to off-topic?
Archer 007
Rebirth
In theory, it should be, just like libertarianism would be. Both are not realistic due to reality.
Archer 007
Rebirth
How can you say they were communism? The people were never truly equal. It was a dictatorship in the name of communism (which happened to show communism would never work in the real world).
nonconformist
Miserable
I agree with Archer. It was an abuse of the word Communism. It was never a truly communist system. Is is l;ike saying the Nazi Party were socialists because that is what they called themselves.
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