Why conservatives don't like marijuana

[Farm Boy]

Wonder what ice cream to pair with original flavor dip? Dreamsicle?

 

[Narz]

. I know a guy who gets high on cinnamon. I myself got quite pleasantly buzzed on a particular kind of hot chocolate one time. But none of those are/were illegal substances or affected anyone else.

I wish I could get high off cinnamon, it's quite cheap

My favorite consistent high is exercise + caffeine

 

[Narz]

so. idk. iran rebellion, for example. even if we say the current rebellion is about the unjust murder of one person (it isn't, it's about long term repression, brutality, question of rights and economic hardship), people aren't going on the streets because of the bodily situation of mahsa amini, they are going on the streets because she was unjustly killed. the government, on the other hand, is enforcing what it is because of disgust of certain things women can do, western influences (them gays) and so on.

Yeah the Iran situation very sad, they've fallen so far in the last 50-60 years

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I wish I could get high off cinnamon, it's quite cheap

How would you like the flip side? He's deathly allergic to garlic, as in like some people are allergic to nuts. Try designing a medieval feast with no garlic, and making sure that each remove has a meal's worth of food with no cinnamon. I actually pulled it off, but it wasn't easy.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I’ve always felt that the left/right wing views on drugs were ‘the wrong way round’. Right wing views on individual freedom, ‘no one tells me what I can / can’t put in my body’ etc. ought to suggest that they would be pro laxer drug restrictions. At least that seems to me?

In the US, "right" and "left" can't be described as "supporting individual liberties" and "supporting expanded government" any longer, if that was ever strictly true. The two biggest examples of issues that defy that categorization today are abortion rights and transgender children: When it comes to abortion and gender, the American Right supports government intervention in personal & family decisions. In both cases, the American Right wants the government to overrule both the individual and the nuclear family, and to do it with a broad brush, making those decisions for everyone, in advance; meanwhile the American Left wants to restrict the reach of government and defend individual liberty and the integrity of the family on those issues, which are positions (stereo)typically associated with the Right.

It's hard to pin down the American Right and the American Left atm, which is frustrating, because humans like to pin each other down on things.

 

[Farm Boy]

Killing of offspring operates in more frames than one. But yes, one would be easier and the right likes to do it too.

 

[EgonSpengler]

Killing of offspring operates in more frames than one. But yes, one would be easier and the right likes to do it too.

Even if one believes that a fetus or an embryo is a child (and I don't), you can't define the American Right and Left by their interest in preventing the deaths of children.

 

[Farm Boy]

There is always scale. And the way we speak about the right, here, yes? You can?

 

[EgonSpengler]

There is always scale. And the way we speak about the right, here, yes? You can?

If the American Right is characterized as unmoved by the fate of American children, I'd say that's not true. Sometimes they are, and sometimes they're not. Same with the ideas that conservatives strongly support the military and our veterans. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. Same with the idea that conservatives believe firmly in freedom of religion. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. Same would be true of the Left. If someone, either American or from another country, asked me to draft some succinct definition of Right and Left in this country in 2022, I wouldn't know what to tell them.

 

[Farm Boy]

I would tell them that one shouldn't track it onto the party platforms, for starters. Those are mostly socioeconomic blocks with a penchant for misnaming things with intent. I guess it can go from there.

 

[Arwon]

In the US, "right" and "left" can't be described as "supporting individual liberties" and "supporting expanded government" any longer, if that was ever strictly true. The two biggest examples of issues that defy that categorization today are abortion rights and transgender children: When it comes to abortion and gender, the American Right supports government intervention in personal & family decisions. In both cases, the American Right wants the government to overrule both the individual and the nuclear family, and to do it with a broad brush, making those decisions for everyone, in advance; meanwhile the American Left wants to restrict the reach of government and defend individual liberty and the integrity of the family on those issues, which are positions (stereo)typically associated with the Right.

It's hard to pin down the American Right and the American Left atm, which is frustrating, because humans like to pin each other down on things.

Whatever "American Left" there is, it barely exists within any organised power structures anyway

 

[Narz]

Whatever "American Left" there is, it barely exists within any organised power structures anyway

What?

 

[Gorbles]

What?

Exactly what Arwon said. It's a pretty straightforward statement.

 

[Arwon]

What?

The US democrats aren't a left party. There's virtually no left in positions of power anywhere. Unions barely have any presence either. At most there's a couple of high profile elected figures without much power or authority in super safe seats in a few states, but Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders getting elected and immediately side-lined by their party does not an institutional left make. There's no real left wing party with any electoral presence in the US, not even any straight up social democrats like the Australian Greens or the Canadian NDP who manage to occupy positions of modest influence and prominence.

There's presumably a bit more at state level in places like Vermont and Hawaii but nationally? Nah. It's centrist to soft right liberals versus the republican hard right these days. Hillary Clinton is not friggin left wing lol

 

[Narz]

I can't argue w that.

Its quite funny & bizarre to me when Trump & others talks about Biden & Harris as radical left

 

[Broken_Erika]

I can't argue w that.

Its quite funny & bizarre to me when Trump & others talks about Biden & Harris as radical left

'cause according to them, anyone even slightly to the left of them are radical far left communists.

 

[Farm Boy]

Just bog standard political BS.

 

[sophie]

I think the damning indictment is the acknowledgment that AOC and Bernie, two very middle of the road, if not rather conservative, social democrats comprise the closest thing to a left we have in this country.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Seems like the traditional conservative philosophy is that unearned pleasure will rot society. The value is in the human doing not the human being.

But marijuana gives pleasure for free, it helps you appreciate what you already have as opposed to fueling the covetous race for more.

are conservatives actually broadly against it these days, as opposed to being divided on it?

i reject the premise that what you get from it comes "for free" too. there are costs, both financial and otherwise.

 

[Arwon]

I think the damning indictment is the acknowledgment that AOC and Bernie, two very middle of the road, if not rather conservative, social democrats comprise the closest thing to a left we have in this country.

In their defence I get the impression both would like to be going further, but are already probing the outer edges of the feasible and acceptable as it is.