Alastriona
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In my current game I've just freed a city state fro my enemy. First action after I liverate them? They ally with my enemy and declare war on me. THAT is why people hate this game!
In my current game I've just freed a city state fro my enemy. First action after I liverate them? They ally with my enemy and declare war on me. THAT is why people hate this game!
New to the forums, so hi to you all.
New to Civ as well, so I can't really compare Civ 5 to the previous ones. I noticed that a lot of people disliked it, though I personally find it extremely addicting and worth the price. So why the hate? Not trollin', just curious.
Also, since you're asking for "reasons for the hate", there's this odd problem that valid criticism about the game's shortcomings keeps being marginalized and derided by trying to sweep it away with generalized "the critics just wanted another Civ4" comments. You can see this in this very thread. I don't think it's very respectful towards fellow forumers to continually misrepresent their opinions this way, and I think this technique does indeed contribute to the "hate", since of course the critics then feel compelled to clarify that this is NOT the sole reason of the criticism.
Wow you sure blew a hole right throught all the arguments against Civ 5 there using incorrect generalised nonsense... well done!
Do us a favor and quit copy/pasting the same nonsense to every thread and actually write something worth reading. If your just gonna copy/paste all your responses your not really adding anything are you?
Linking together posts from random users which are undeniably opposing in nature and claiming them all to be valid is rather silly. If you don't agree with people fine but its rather poor tactics to link together informed/uninformed/possible troll posts and claim them all to be valid. Write your opinion rather than stealing others posts in an attempt to discredit detractors as a whole.I like the way you call it 'incorrect' and 'generalised' without actually pointing out anything incorrect or overly generalized. If I feel really enthusiastic I might make a similar list using direct quotes of complaints, but that's really pretty cumbersome and hard to read, and I doubt that would stop groundless dismissals.
It must have really hit home for you to get that angry and that confused over basic math. One (the copy/paste) is not equal to 903 (my number of posts) or whatever lesser number of ones you'd class as responses. It looks like a valid list of civ5 complaints to me, if you can tell me any that haven't been made I'll be glad to take them off, but just getting angry that I listed several together isn't making any kind of valid argument.
On these forums this seems to be by far most common reason. Almost always people's idea of fixing anything here is changing Civ V to exact copy of Civ IV.
I am sure that as a newcomer it would give a lot to explore and be happy with, and I think this is what Firaxis is banking on...
The problem with Civ V is that out there there are millions!?! of experienced civ users who were in love with Civ during the whole 20 years of the franchize existance (or even a part of it) ... and to us - ie Civ oldimers, this new civ, which is a "once in 5 years" event - is very poorly implemented.
We have no problems with changes per se, but problem with poorly implemented changes. After you spend thousands of hours with a certain product (be it a game, or some otehr thing in life, OS, car, camera etc... ) you get an idea what it is about and what is good about it.
CivV removes a LOT of what was good with the excellent previous iteration, and some other points are hopelessly broken... but as a long time users, we are still hanging around in hope that someone is reading what we write, and will take it on board...
For you as a newcomer, once you get bored with Civ V, and if you are really "hooked" that will happen after a few hundred hours for sure - you can than graduate to Civ IV... for the rest of us, we played Civ IV already and were ready for something new and interesting... Civ V is new, but the "interesting" bit fades away after 10 hours or so... and all the glaring inconsistancies/missing points/pure bad decisions in game design come to make us complain, as this is all we can do at the moment.
New to the forums, so hi to you all.
New to Civ as well, so I can't really compare Civ 5 to the previous ones. I noticed that a lot of people disliked it, though I personally find it extremely addicting and worth the price. So why the hate? Not trollin', just curious.
And yes, as BtS pleased the hardcore fans, they decided to make 5 appeal more to those who might have loved Rev and wanted something more--but who may not be ready to leap into Civ 4's complexity.
Actually, the only times I've ever seen the argument "I don't like it because it's not Civ4" on these forums, it's when a fanboy tries to discredit the "haters" by putting this in their mouths.On these forums this seems to be by far most common reason.
Actually, the only times I've ever seen the argument "I don't like it because it's not Civ4" on these forums, it's when a fanboy tries to discredit the "haters" by putting this in their mouths.
Actual complains are nearly always about some very definite flaws, and not the "nostalgia factor" - which is just an overused red herring.
Bingo. The fervent supporters really seem to be getting more and more unreasonable, and apparently feel very threatened by opinions that don't align with theirs. It's odd.
So, when they see a harsh critic, they take it personally, because when I say "Civ0.5 has been clearly dumbed down", they read this as an attack to their ego...
I hope you are right.Civ5, heir apparent,
the modern atomic version of the new millenium for nuclear fisson gamers of tommorrow
New to the forums, so hi to you all.
New to Civ as well, so I can't really compare Civ 5 to the previous ones. I noticed that a lot of people disliked it, though I personally find it extremely addicting and worth the price. So why the hate? Not trollin', just curious.
New to the forums, so hi to you all.
New to Civ as well, so I can't really compare Civ 5 to the previous ones. I noticed that a lot of people disliked it, though I personally find it extremely addicting and worth the price. So why the hate? Not trollin', just curious.