Why do so-called feminists STILL assault women so much?

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[Ryika]

Having a mental condition is sort of the unofficial prerequisite for a man to becoming an active member in the feminist movement, so it's not surprising that some of these men would turn out to be harassers and abusers. Mentally stable men would run off pretty quickly once they realize their position in the movement is that of a guard dog. Which also leads to the second point, which is that, if you treat people like dogs, pets that are there to "support the cause", but also need to be put in their place and are told to shut up. If you surround yourself with dogs, don't be surprised if some of them will try to hump your leg.

But to be fair, feminists are a lot more vigilant about sexual harassment and abuse, so it's likely that the report-rate is also just through the roof compared to the general public, which likely creates a warped picture.

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[FashGordon]

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm curious as to why all of this rape and sexual abuse seems to be mostly going on inside ultra-liberal corporations, universities, and institutions. This probably has a lot to do with why there seems to be such a large disconnect between the liberal urban centers and fly-over country on this issue. I'm speaking specifically about the US here because that seems to be the place where most of the dust up from this issue is originating from.

 

[Synobun]

What is your point here, exactly? Is this another "feminism is literally the worst" thread?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Something to do with hormones and/or testosterone?

 

[NinjaCow64]

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm curious as to why all of this rape and sexual abuse seems to be mostly going on inside ultra-liberal corporations, universities, and institutions. This probably has a lot to do with why there seems to be such a large disconnect between the liberal urban centers and fly-over country on this issue. I'm speaking specifically about the US here because that seems to be the place where most of the dust up from this issue is originating from.

Its not just happening in ultra-liberal places. Unless I'm sorely mistaken, High School Football isn't the most progressive place on Earth yet rape scandals are common place there. (Also as an aside, is that a typo in your username? You do realise that "Fash" is often used as shorthand for "Fascism" right? Not trying to accuse you of being a Fascist but that's a really unfortunate typo).

To answer the OP's question, unfortunately hypocrites join political movements and cause a lot of harm. Male feminist creepers are a real problem, but that doesn't mean that feminism as a movement itself is bad on the whole.

 

[Ryika]

Exactly this appears to be dubious.
Being vigilant about things outside your own peer group, movement etc. is one thing. Being vigilant inside of it is another. There is neither evidence nor plausible game theory backing up that "feminists" would do the latter.
Particularly when keeping in mind the statistically unusual affection that straight female feminists appear to have for BDSM, which isn't problematic in and of itself of course, but may combined with an omnipresent air of self-righteousnous, contribute to failure to police within the in-group.

They are very vigilant when it happens to them personally, when it's about what they've done in the past, or about things that happen in other parts of the movement, they tend to close their eyes.

Just for fun:
I’m a man who has been sexually harassed – but I don’t think it’s right for men to join in with #MeToo

The irony of writing an article about why they don't feel like their voice should be part of a hashtag.

(Also as an aside, is that a typo in your username? You do realise that "Fash" is often used as shorthand for "Fascism" right? Not trying to accuse you of being a Fascist but that's a really unfortunate typo).

 

[Broken_Erika]

(Also as an aside, is that a typo in your username? You do realise that "Fash" is often used as shorthand for "Fascism" right? Not trying to accuse you of being a Fascist but that's a really unfortunate typo).

Should have gone with Flesh Gordon....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesh_Gordon

 

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[FashGordon]

Its not just happening in ultra-liberal places. Unless I'm sorely mistaken, High School Football isn't the most progressive place on Earth yet rape scandals are common place there.

I haven't heard of any high school rape epidemic, however I'd also like to point out that the education system is predominantly run by liberals so I really don't think this does a whole lot to prove your point...

(Also as an aside, is that a typo in your username? You do realise that "Fash" is often used as shorthand for "Fascism" right? Not trying to accuse you of being a Fascist but that's a really unfortunate typo).

Fash is the name I was given at birth.

To answer the OP's question, unfortunately hypocrites join political movements and cause a lot of harm. Male feminist creepers are a real problem, but that doesn't mean that feminism as a movement itself is bad on the whole.

There certainly are a lot of male cuttlefish-type feminist creeps out there and of course that doesn't mean feminism is a bad movement; there's a multitudinous number of other reasons for that.

 

[Synobun]

Well, feel free to watch the video - even when it's derpy Brexit-Carl.
I'm not sure if anybody actually writes "the worst". But the notion that rapy male "feminists" are a particularly prevalent problem appears to be commonplace among female "feminists".

I consider it a good day when I don't have to listen to Sargon of Akkad's drivel.

But here's what I don't get. What is the point? Why does this matter? Why is feminism in scare quotes? You're telling us things but there doesn't seem to be a climax. What are you trying to say?

 

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[JollyRoger]

I think that part of it is that MRAs are too beta to be considered enough of a threat to report.

 

[Synobun]

I am using these quotes - a long-standing practice of mine, as you may have noticed - to seperate feminism as per the lexical definition from "feminism" as in the activism we observe or engage in.

The climax is, if you have cared to read my post to the end, that this business with Hasan Piker looks really damn scary.
Think about how the hypothetical suits would play, for a minute.

Are you trying to tell us that "feminists" are lying and trying to ruin Cenk Uyger and Hasan Piker's lives?

 

[Ryika]

They're just adding an extra word in front of the "Justice Democrats", no biggie.

Woops, movement is dead.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Fash is the name I was given at birth.

Ah, sorry that I misinterpreted your username.

I haven't heard of any high school rape epidemic, however I'd also like to point out that the education system is predominantly run by liberals so I really don't think this does a whole lot to prove your point...

Okay, so I found this list of the most conservative universities in America. And then I searched their names of the top five on google with the word "rape" attached to the end and look what articles I found:

1. Steubenville University doesn't have a rape case that I could find associated with it, but the local high school does. I don't think its a stretch to assume that a conservative university would be in a conservative town.
2. Liberty University hired a man who left his old job amidst a rape scandal.
3. Bob Jones University thinks that rape victims are sinners apparently.
4. Brigham Young University used to investigate people who reported rape for violation of their "honour code" until a year and a half ago.
5. I can't find anything on Southwestern Assemblies of God University directly related to rape

That really isn't a good prognosis for "conservative" institutions.

There certainly are a lot of male cuttlefish-type feminist creeps out there and of course that doesn't mean feminism is a bad movement; there's a multitudinous number of other reasons for that.

Such as...?

 

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[FashGordon]

Ah, sorry that I misinterpreted your username.

No worries man. I grew up in a liberal school district run by communists. You develop thick skin after awhile.

Okay, so I found this list of the most conservative universities in America. And then I searched their names of the top five on google with the word "rape" attached to the end and look what articles I found:

1. Steubenville University doesn't have a rape case that I could find associated with it, but the local high school does. I don't think its a stretch to assume that a conservative university would be in a conservative town.
2. Liberty University hired a man who left his old job amidst a rape scandal.
3. Bob Jones University thinks that rape victims are sinners apparently.
4. Brigham Young University used to investigate people who reported rape for violation of their "honour code" until a year and a half ago.
5. I can't find anything on Southwestern Assemblies of God University directly related to rape

That really isn't a good prognosis for "conservative" institutions.



Such as...?

Conservatives don't have any universities in America. By "most conservative" they probably mean the all-gender bathrooms just haven't been installed yet.

Anyway, for the sake of argument I'll grant you that list and compare and contrast it with the decades of Harveywood rape and molestation that all of the liberal celebrities knew about, but kept hush-hush.

 

[Evie]

-Allegedly feminist men operate in environments where women are more likely to identify certain behaviors (rightly) as assault.
-Allegedly feminist men operate in environments where assaulted women are more likely to eventually be in position to report the said assault.-
-Allegedly feminist men operate in environments where reports of assaults are more likely to be taken seriously, and become major scandals.

In short, the most likely explanation is not that feminist allies are more likely to resort to assault ; it's that they're more likely to get caught and suffer more lasting consequences.