Why do the Sheaim want to destroy the world?

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I was reading this wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_point

which is some guy's theory that if the universe ends in a big crunch, there could be a potentially god-like being which comes into existence as the universe is ending. Being god-like, it may be able to stop time itself and not be destroyed.
I'm obviously *far* too addicted to FfH, 'cause this of course made me think of the Sheaim. Are they after some god-like power which would come with their supposed destruction? Are they trying to fool god?

Also, on another note (taking my topic off-topic before it's begun), just because god is perfect in this game, why does it have to be good? Seems that most of the game has an ambiguity between good and evil, the Bannor being ruthless killers and all. god being purely good suddenly seems to not fit in with the FfH theme anymore.
 
there is no god in the FFH story, only angels (with the most powerful angel being 'god'). Also, the bannor do not follow 'god' but rather whatshisname, the angel of law.
 
Well, the leader's stories are fairly reliable windows to their motives. ;)
There is a good good, but he's content to take it easy and not set foot into creation, thus the entirely not omnipotent nor omniscient angels are the closest to gods the world will see.

Tebryn got a deal from Agares (I think, maybe it was the dimensional god instead?) to escape hell if he could get ... well, everyone else to take his place.
Os-Gabella, well, I'm not entirely certain why she wants to destroy the world. My take is that, having left her role as progenitor of all mankind, now sees what her foolishness and pride cost her--the honor of having all human civilization descend from her. So she seeks to wreck humanity whereever she can. From inflicting petty bickering upon ruling princes that leads to regicide, to seducing venerated priests and causing whole religions to plunge into turmoil.
Having met up with Tebryn sometime late in the age of Ice when Agares released him (Agares seeing that Mulcarn might not succeed in keeping humanity oppressed forever), she learned of his goal, and the two combined their arcane knowledge to find a plan to bring down the whole world at once.

As for their followers, those poor souls in the farms and villages labor in oppression so the leaders can use their production to destroy them. The ones who fill the upper eschelon come from all over the world for a variety of reasons--power for short term gain, extra dimensional demons here for a chance to inflict a bit of suffering, mad wizards spurned in love seeking revenge on a grand scale, etc.

Edit: Ah, yes, thank you Aleph.
 
Os: "She really doesn't care if Hell or Heaven wins in the conflict, she wants to force the gods to end it all, and in so doing end her immortal life"
 
So she's insanely suicidal. Okay... makes some sense now. But 'god's' goodlyness is still slightly random. Although I can live with it. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that 'god' cannot enter creation because his goodness would destroy the whole of creation, the evil has ran so deep. It seems to be essential to the story, but it still seems kinda random that he's so morally pure.
 
Where did you read that? Sounds more like a Christian idea than FfH.

In any case, if you want to speed up the arrival of the next world personally, go read Grant Morrison's Invisibles.

I now return you to your FfH forum.
 
FfH world history said:
It was then that the One intervened. Seeing Agares's blasphemy he sought to remove it from all of creation, but by this point Agares's taint had spread through creation; nothing existed that would still exist if he removed the evil from it. So pervasive was Agares's corruption, that if the One entered creation, it would be destroyed by his holiness. Unwilling to destroy creation, the One condemned all the Angels out of Heaven, to live among creation until the day he returns to separate the good from the evil. The One tasked the angels still loyal to him with protecting creation and guiding it toward enlightenment until the day he returned.
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http://civ4wiki.com/wiki/index.php/FfH_History_%28Feature)
 
Hmn I apologise, I just remembered it slightly wrong. I retract that question, but I'm still not completely satisfied with the Sheaim front. Ah well, not that important. Just... can't she commit suicide in a far quicker way? (That's a half-rhetorical question btw, I'm not too concerned by the answer)
 
Creation is flawed. Avarice and pride were allowed to sneak in and what should have been perfect, a newly created heaven, was spoiled. Because of that the angels were removed from heaven and creation became a world of pain and beauty.

This is a common theme in mythology. We were supposed to exist in a perfect world (eden) but because of sin (eating the fruit of the tree of life) we were kicked out of that perfect world and forced to live in a world of pain. The god that used to walk among us is now seperate.

That seperation is viewed in different ways by different cultures. Be it mans inability to see god, or gods own distance from man the result is the same. In FfH we canonized the myth by destroying the road between heaven and creation. Gods decision to allow creation to go on without his influence, to allow the prodical children the opportunity to return to him through their trials.

I talked a bit about my personal religious beliefs in the off topic forum, I won't belabour the points here. But the core of it is that if the creator god returns to creation everything will be revealed. The veil of lies we tell ourselves will be removed and perfect knowledge and compassion will return to the world. That will be the end of creation as we know it, not because the creator god will destroy it, just because creation will become heaven for those that remain in it.

The others, those who sins and crimes will be unbearable once they have perfect knowledge and perfect compassion. Their misery and pain will be their own hell.

Os-Gabella is immortal, she cannot die. Torn to pieces she will be reborn. The end of creation is her only escape. So as you guys already answered she is attempting suicide.

It was actually Ceridwen who bartered for Tebryn's soul from hell and offered him one way to not return to it, if he would bring about armageddon.
 
Very interesting, thanks for the answer. Think I might check out the off-topic forum, could be interesting...
 
It's funny that one of them does it to live so to speak, and the other does it to die.
 
Kael - couldn't easily find the forum you were referring to. Would you mind posting a link?
 

my theory is that god had a party till the hour before, with someone from the norse pantheon perhaps...(then claimed he spent a week on it)
 
Seventh day - rested. Eighth day, rested - sod it, I'd just created a world! Ninth day, rested; to be honest I pretty much rested from then on. On the 12th day I decided to smoke all the marijuana I'd created, and on the 13th day I decided to smoke all the opium I had created (just to test the first batch). And on the four hundred and seventeenth day I woke up again, and created five hundred scaley monsters I'd seen just the night before. [/James Mason voice]
 
BeefontheBone said:
Seventh day - rested. Eighth day, rested - sod it, I'd just created a world! Ninth day, rested; to be honest I pretty much rested from then on. On the 12th day I decided to smoke all the marijuana I'd created, and on the 13th day I decided to smoke all the opium I had created (just to test the first batch). And on the four hundred and seventeenth day I woke up again, and created five hundred scaley monsters I'd seen just the night before. [/James Mason voice]
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You mean "[/eddie izzard's impersonation of james mason's voice]" I think - no?
-Qes
 
Indeed I did. I can no longer remember his actual voice, just that impression. All music teachers are also Mrs Badcrumble in my head ("All through it, it was multiple. They hadn't been invented in the '14 -'18 war, but I got there!"), and all Australians are angry at elephants skiing off the roof of their chalet. Oh, and all badgers have guns.
 
BeefontheBone said:
Indeed I did. I can no longer remember his actual voice, just that impression. All music teachers are also Mrs Badcrumble in my head ("All through it, it was multiple. They hadn't been invented in the '14 -'18 war, but I got there!"), and all Australians are angry at elephants skiing off the roof of their chalet. Oh, and all badgers have guns.
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Good man, made me chuckle and remember good times.
-Qes
 
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