Why is Mongolia in and not Korea

[Zakkkke]

meh sumeria's overrated. dont forget that korea has 5000 years of history

This thread is just to stupid, please be a troll

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

Thanks Licinia Eudoxia. Now I finally get the hilarious part of it.
BTW, just out of curiosity, how do you get your name and what does it mean?

Licinia Eudoxia was the daughter of Theodosius II and a Roman Empress. To make a long story short, her husband was killed by a usurper named Petronius Maximus, who then forced her to marry him.

As revenge, she convinced the Vandal leader Genseric that the peace treaty he had signed with Rome was no long valid since the Emperor who signed it (her husband) had been murdered). She invited Genseric to attack Rome, and he did. Petronius Maximus was killed during the attacked.

I always thought that was pretty awesome, and a very canny revenge. Some guy kills your husband and takes over as Emperor? Well, just go to the barbarians your husband made peace with and tell them to come kill the new guy.

And I liked her name, so I used it.

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

This thread is just to stupid, please be a troll

Actually, this is probably one of the most intelligent threads on the first page, right now. At least, I think some of the posts are!

 

[pi-r8]

No good, they were influenced by surrounding populaces that are just outside the sphere of Korea, so that doesn't count based on the logic applied earlier in the thread. You can't have it both ways.

let's just have "unnamed african tribe" be the only civ in this game, since all human history can be traced back to them.

 

[Blitz47]

But I still don't get it, how do you relate "The Jungle" to hotdog intake? Maybe you're prone to eat hotdogs more when you're reading? Well, never mind, it seems I tend to get a little boring by raising irrelevent questions.

I'm also planning on studying another language recently. I think my English is good enough to read most of time. Any suggestions of which language to start with?

I used to love hotdogs, eat them all the time, until I read the jungle. I still cannot prevent myself from eating hot dogs, eventhough they are not good for you. Try this little experiment.

Put a plate of steak, a plate of ground beef/pork, a plate of hot dogs, outside, expose it to sun, rain, etc.

See how long does it take before maggots start to show up, how long does it take for those "meat" to decompose and change. You will be surprised by how long hot dogs can stay the same. You're eating a lot of preservatives and other parts of "meat" that are often not very desirable so you reprocess them, stuff them into a hot dog

Languages that are more widely used or "useful". English, Chinese, Spanish, Arabic and French as they cover the widest parts of the world + most population. After those 5, Russian, Japanese, German, Farsi, Portugese and other languages.

 

[dorn]

so their civilization is not a real civilization

Why do I keep seeing this nonsense argument every time civs come up? Is it some sort of translation error? Does the word "civilization" not translate into other languages properly?

Any lose grouping of people that historians decide to lump together as a cultural or political association, for whatever reason, is a "civilization" because that's what the word "civilization" MEANS.

The Byzantine's were a different "civilization" from Rome only because we felt like labeling them that way. That's the only justification required.

Also I don't know why people keep bringing up culture influences. Historians label civilizations based on political/military power far more often than culture.

 

[Blitz47]

Have you tried the other way around ? I got crashes exclusively from strategic view

Hmm, I have not tried that, my system is extremenly slow when I don't use strategic view on larger maps, that's why I use strategic view for maps above small size by default and occasionally switch back to normal view to click/select units, look for a particular city name, etc.

 

[tifa9292]

This thread is just to stupid, please be a troll

excuse me? are you insulting koreans?

 

[The_J]

Moderator Action: If the quality of the posts does not increase in the next time, then this thread is likely to be closed.

 

[Gaizokubanou]

Korea is already in as a city state (Seoul).

Edit: And as a Korean myself, inclusion of Korea as full fledged civ in Civilization games is bit... stretching things. Maybe for 3rd expansion when they run out of big civs, but right now their position as city state is actually very fitting.

 

[logintime]

Korea is already in as a city state (Seoul).

True, but that coding can be changed easily enough when they release DLC or an expansion, whichever form is used.

 

[dorn]

Moderator Action: If the quality of the posts does not increase in the next time, then this thread is likely to be closed.

Is that really necessary? At the very least this thread is far better than the 100x "I hate Civ5" threads we have.

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[Sonereal]

excuse me? are you insulting koreans?

No. It's just that you have an overblown view of how important the Korean civilization has been. Even the Aztecs were a regional power. The Koreans were sandwiched between two powers that at certain times during world history could be considered "world" powers. Sumeria was one of the first civilizations.

The Gojosseon was simply a small part of "Korea" and was curb stomped 3000 years ago by China. It was never a significant world power and barely a regional power depending on the definition of "regional". But that's beside the fact. Korea is a nice civilization to have in-game but it just isn't a major civilization and unlike Songhai, Africa, and the Iroquois, wasn't even a regional power.

 

[Licinia Eudoxia]

Also I don't know why people keep bringing up culture influences. Historians label civilizations based on political/military power far more often than culture.

While culture may not be the deciding factor in labeling a civilization, culture determines a lot of that civilization's impact on others beyond it's borders and after it's fall.

Greece is a good example of this. The art, writing, sciences, and philosophies of Greek traveled far beyond the military conquests of Greece, even including Alexander the Great's conquests, and far outlasted the Greece that produced them.

Is that really necessary? At the very least this thread is far better than the 100x "I hate Civ5" threads we have.

Agreed. There may be some dumb posts, but most of this thread is more intelligent than anything else on these forums. Maybe the Moderation staff should punish particular posters, I don't know.

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[the343danny]

excuse me? are you insulting koreans?

No, at what point of his comment did you think that insulting your comment is insulting Koreans? Korea does not have 5000 years of history. Sure, they technically did, but so did every other people in the entire world have 5000 years of history.

Korea had nearly no influence in the world. They have been an economic power for a short amount of time, but even now there are many who overshadow Korea in economy. Even in local history, they may have had impact but they had impact for simply being there. They werent colonized by the west because Japan did so first, otherwise Korea would have had no hope. When were they ever a dominant power? In all of its history China overshadows it, and in times where Japan is unified, they overshadow them.

I just dont see how you can say Korea>Mongolia. The Mongols pretty much dismantled the Arab world from the leaders of power and science, and wrecked stuff in lots of other places (as well as indirectly create).

Only reason there could be a Korea civilization in the game is because there are few Oriental civs in the game. Otherwise they belong as a city state like much of the European nations.

Korea isnt really much a unique culture either. They are as unique as every other nation in the world, which is not very.

 

[dorn]

While culture may not be the deciding factor in labeling a civilization, culture determines a lot of that civilization's impact on others beyond it's borders and after it's fall.

Of course and I even agree several "civilizations" are in fact mostly worth mentioning on a cultural basis. It's still true though that one guy getting a bunch of gangsters on horses together and clobbering ~1/4th of the entire world with bows and arrows is far more justification for being named a civilization than most things.

 

[TommyVern]

Because Mongolia possessed, at one time, the largest empire to ever exist in the history of humanity. Korea's notable moment in history is being split in half and used as puppets in the war between communism and democracy.

 

[risikawi]

Hmm, I have not tried that, my system is extremenly slow when I don't use strategic view on larger maps, that's why I use strategic view for maps above small size by default and occasionally switch back to normal view to click/select units, look for a particular city name, etc.

Right, I also have started to prefer smaller maps. I don't know how slow it gets for you though and what system you have. The thing is that for me strategic view crashes game after like a minute, so I started to look for solution on web and I found several people complaining about this, apparently there is some issue with frame rates on strategic map. The only solution though was to turn on VSync, which was allready on for me. Also there may be diffrence between DirectX 9 and 10/11, but for me it only fixed issue with how FoW is rendered (i.e. I had black box instead of fog at first)



Now just to stay on topic - I don't think a civilization has to conquare/colonize whole world to be worthy. However some expansion outside their national borders/domination over neighbours or at least scientific or cultural advancement should occur. So I see nothing wrong with having Mezoamerican civs just because they were wiped out by Europeans, when they had very rich culture, fairly well developed science and complex social structure well before European contact. I never ever have heard Korea having large teritory or making notable contributions to world culture or technology. My country has very Euro-centric history education, though. However I would still prefer learning more about Africa and other great civilizations world hasn't heard of rather than modern day Asian countries

 

[Buccaneer]

I have the perception that there is an inferiority complex with Koreans, esp. being sandwiched between two superpowers: China and Japan. I liked having Koreans in Civ4, they were an easy target to destroy.

 

[Sonereal]

I have the perception that there is an inferiority complex with Koreans, esp. being sandwiched between two superpowers: China and Japan. I liked having Koreans in Civ4, they were an easy target to destroy.

The Korean AI was pretty...bad. It always ended up being wedged between two superpowers even in CivIV.