Why Libertarians are screwed.

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by Speedo


Anybody ******** enough to be advocating something as a magic cure-all isn't getting my vote.

It's not a cure-all, and in any case voting for the same two parties over and over again expecting them to change isn't sane.

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by Yago
A libertarian party is what the US lacks. Yet they have no chance in gaining ground, as long the myth lingers, the republican party has anything to do with fiscal conservatism. Only de-mystification can bring the libertarian party into the playing-field. Obviously, this will happen when the consequences of a heavy spending based supply-economy hits like a hangover in the morning. At this time, libertarians may gain momentum.

In my experience, most people that even know what the Libertarian Party is tend to think of the drug legalization stance before anything else. As both parties tend to be distancing themselves from the positions they've each traditionally shared with libertarians, there is the chance that the party will be taken more seriously in the near future. (I hope, I hope, I hope...) It wouldn't hurt to get a presidential candidate with some existing name recognition, either.

 

[Speedo]

It's not a cure-all

Tell the to the guy who wrote the article. Ironically, he's head of the libertarian party in his area.

in any case voting for the same two parties over and over again expecting them to change isn't sane.

Just as sane as voting for a candidate that you know has no chance of winning.

 

[EdwardTking]

It is even worse here in the UK with central
government meddling in local government, and
EU government in member state government.

The central government imposes taxes on all or
worse borrows against future revenues for all;
and then offers goodies to local government
for doing what it wants. This process slowly
but surely undermines the accountability of

Local Voting
Local Taxation
Local Expenditure

Central government should only do what needs to be
done by central government. If it can be done well by
local government, then local government should do it!

When Britain ~ruled~ the 13 colonies, it didn't meddle
with this sort of detail! Perhaps it is time for the american
states to declare independence from King George again?

The cold war is over and they are now large and wealthy
enough to function as independent states.

 

[Double Barrel]

No party is perfect. But the Libertarian party is as close as I can find to wanting to restore the U.S. Constitution and its inherent checks and balances into our federal government.

The income tax is un-Constitutional, not to mention immoral.

Prohibition is impossible, not to mention immoral.

Patriot Acts I/II are un-Constitutional, as well as immoral.

The list can go on and on and on. The Dems/Reps have completely screwed this country up with pork barrel policies and self-serving agendas run by big business and special interest lobbies.

The Libertarian party is a thinking man's party...but unfortunately, thinking people are a minority in this country.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by Kilroy

That's total nonsense. Neither of those groups you described could even be called "libertarian" in the first place. Since what you don't know about libertarianism could probably fill several volumes, I suggest you learn a bit about it and get back to this thread when you're done. We'll be waiting.

Better yet, can you explain was libertarianism is? All I can ever get out of most of them is "I want the government to get out of my business".

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by Double Barrel
No party is perfect. But the Libertarian party is as close as I can find to wanting to restore the U.S. Constitution and its inherent checks and balances into our federal government.

The income tax is un-Constitutional, not to mention immoral.

Prohibition is impossible, not to mention immoral.

The Libertarian party is a thinking man's party...but unfortunately, thinking people are a minority in this country.

How have the other parties removed checks and balances?
How is an income tax unconstitutional? How is it immoral?
Prohibition doesnt even exist anymore.
Are you stating that everyone that disagrees with you is stupid?

 

[Mojotronica]

Technically income tax is Constitutional -- it's the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. But some argue that the 16th was enacted under dodgy circumstances.

The Constitution leaves taxation for the different levels of gov't to deal with, while providing a couple of examples of how taxes could collected -- tariffs, for instance. But it does not limit the form taxation can take. However strict Constitutional interpretationists believe that the Revolution's origin as a tax revolt implies limited taxation... I'm sorry to say that's not really the case.

By prohibition, DB means our horribly oppressive tyrannical despicable federal laws against drugs -- marijuana etc...

 

[Neomega]

Originally posted by sims2789
many of them(people in the Libertarian Party) don't understand external costs. for example, one that i was talking to said that people should be able to dump waste wherever they please. "My right to punch ends where your nose begins." although i support Civil Rights and no government control on personal freedoms(my definition of personal freedomd) and i scored a -6.00(Authoritairan/Libertarian) on a survey at www.politicalcompass.org , the Libertarians seem somewhat screwy.

I have talked to plenty of Republicans and Democrats who have said scarier S*** than that. Do you actually think Libertarians are pro-littering? Give me a break.

It sure would be nice in this upcoming election if the congress had listened to Ron Paul(R) Texas, followed the constitution, and voted on the Iraq War. Now Bush is going to get to Run against a guy who will say, I voted for the war.... and I was against it. That's a tough pickle for Bush. Had tehre been a vote for war, it would be clear how Kerry felt.

The only hope for the Libertarian party is a collapse of one of the other two parties a la whig. Right now I am praying Dean gets pissed and pulls his support. Say bye bye Democrats! Then it can be Republicrat vs. Libertarian.

 

[Archer 007]

I want to see the rise of a third party also, the Socialists.