Will there ever be a Civ V 'war academy'?

[Bandobras Took]

Here's a more in-depth explanation of why the corruption/waste model was horrendous in Civ 3 -- whether or not you could deal with it:

Essentially, corruption/waste in Civ 3 made cities less productive by a percentage based on:

1) the number of cities; and
2) the distance from the capitol.

Factor 2 led to the exploit of ring city placement, but there's no need to go into that here.

The theory was that these less productive cities would curb a person's urge to expand. This, however, was fallacious.

1) Troops, no matter where they were built, took support from the global treasury, while "free" troop support was counted on a per-city basis. Thus, any city, no matter how crappy, upped your available troop support, which allowed your core high-production cities to crank out troops.
2) There was no similar "free" building support -- no matter where a building was built, it cost the same maintenance, and upping the number of cities did not directly increase your ability to support infrastructure.
3) Cities could be set to build wealth, but not research. Thus, crappy cities could allow for even more unit support.

By making further cities less productive but still able to support larger military, the person who plops down cities is only encouraged to keep expanding -- and then taking cities by force -- because taking those cities supports fielding more troops, enabling more city taking. It's a nice, positive, upward spiral.

The corruption/waste model was horrendous because it did not accomplish its designed purpose, but instead pandered to the very thing it was meant to stop.

Here's a good suggestion for a War Academy article (and is, by the way, one of at least a few aspects of game design wherein Civ 5 is superior to Civ 3):

Optimal unit selection for a limited number of strategic resources.

 

[masonryan]

I have a hard time believing that many people would need to use a war academy to figure civ 5 out but I guess if some people need that kind of help with this game you might as well put one up it cant hurt.

on a side not the corupption modle in civ 3 was miles ahead of the happyness modle in civ 5, civ 5 is a broken game that I hope is fixed with massive patching and expansions.

 

[Bandobras Took]

on a side not the corupption modle in civ 3 was miles ahead of the happyness modle in civ 5, civ 5 is a broken game that I hope is fixed with massive patching and expansions.

People keep saying this and then don't even attempt to provide examples of how it made for a better game.

They've also failed to explain how Civ 3's strategic resource model made for a better game than Civ 5's.

Or how the mindless rex and kill of Civ 3 is deeper than the mindless rex and kill of Civ 5 -- especially when Civ 5 actually has some drawbacks to capturing and holding an enemy city.

 

[cman2010]

on a side not the corupption modle in civ 3 was miles ahead of the happyness modle in civ 5, civ 5 is a broken game that I hope is fixed with massive patching and expansions.

totally agree with you.

 

[Nares]

There may very well not be a CiV war academy because so many elements of the game were "dumbed down" to make them more intuitive/less complex.

 

[cccv]

I have a hard time believing that many people would need to use a war academy to figure civ 5 out but I guess if some people need that kind of help with this game you might as well put one up it cant hurt.

I'm not sure how daunting the game is or isn't for people who never played another civ game, but it's entirely possible some people could use help learning the basics if they're completely new to civ.

But more than that, there are plenty of people who would just like to see different tips or strategies that might help them go up a level or so. Despite what some people seem to think, not everyone is regularly steamrolling deity (and in fact, I'm pretty sure most people aren't), so plenty of people would benefit from some articles with helpful advice on how to improve their game.

 

[masonryan]

There may very well not be a CiV war academy because so many elements of the game were "dumbed down" to make them more intuitive/less complex.

thats why I think its not necassary.

 

[Bandobras Took]

thats why I think its not necassary.

This, no doubt, explains why there's a Civ 3 War Academy article telling people to put defenders in cities.

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3/strategy/war_QA.php

Note again, I'm actually providing examples.

 

[joyous_gard]

WHy don't the people who want a war academy start doing some research on damage, etc. Different units vs different units.

Why not write an essay on War Strategy in V.

This is really what you guys think is necessary, so do the work. Write the articles, put them in strategy, and when strategy gets too filled up, ask for a War Academy.

I am not the guy that is going to write Civ V military articles. I don't care enough. The people who care enough can write the articles, put them in strategy, when strategy gets too crowded with all the important war documents, ask for a War Academy.

End of story. Thread resolved.

 

[masonryan]

WHy don't the people who want a war academy start doing some research on damage, etc. Different units vs different units.

Why not write an essay on War Strategy in V.

This is really what you guys think is necessary, so do the work. Write the articles, put them in strategy, and when strategy gets too filled up, ask for a War Academy.

I am not the guy that is going to write Civ V military articles. I don't care enough. The people who care enough can write the articles, put them in strategy, when strategy gets too crowded with all the important war documents, ask for a War Academy.

End of story. Thread resolved.

they dont want to do anything productive they would rather sit here and argue about civ 3 than just start their war academy.
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[Bandobras Took]

they dont want to do anything productive they would rather sit here and argue about civ 3 than just start their war academy.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=396664

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=392600

Now, do you have any more blatantly incorrect and unsupported statements to make?

This is really what you guys think is necessary, so do the work. Write the articles, put them in strategy, and when strategy gets too filled up, ask for a War Academy.

End of story. Thread resolved.

Somebody said Civ 5 was too simple to deserve a war academy. I responded that Civ 3 got one it didn't deserve one by that standard. So far, nobody's bothered to provide an example of why Civ 3 deserves one and Civ 5 doesn't.

 

[masonryan]

my statements are correct as evidenced by your last post you are still here arguing when you could be working on the academy.

 

[builer680]

my statements are correct as evidenced by your last post you are still here arguing when you could be working on the academy.

Checkmate.

 

[esemjay]

my statements are correct as evidenced by your last post you are still here arguing when you could be working on the academy.

If I say that you are glued to your computer because you are on a forum- and you continue to post on the forum- it is not proven that you are glued to a computer.

Your statement was that people who like Civ5 would rather complain and get nothing done than work on the academy. You then said that he should stop posting, and go work on an academy. Then, he posted, and you announced that you were correct because he was still posting.

I propose: You are a typing cat. The only way you can prove me wrong, is to stop typing with your paws and start typing with human fingers. See how that works?

Maybe he just doesn't like you, can't understand your post, or doesn't care what you think/argue. If you look at your posting-trend, the majority of your posts are single-sentences, hating on Civ5 or another member. I wouldn't be particularly concerned with proving anything to you, either.

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[Nares]

Maybe he just doesn't like you, can't understand your post, or doesn't care what you think/argue. If you look at your posting-trend, the majority of your posts are single-sentences, hating on Civ5 or another member. I wouldn't be particularly concerned with proving anything to you, either.

Regardless, if some players want a war academy, it would be in their best interest to begin putting in the work themselves, rather than waiting around for someone else to do it for them.

 

[esemjay]

Regardless, if some players want a war academy, it would be in their best interest to begin putting in the work themselves, rather than waiting around for someone else to do it for them.

As said, will probably come when the game settles down and gets a few major patches.

The game keeps getting patched. After Firaxis and 2K slow down on the patches, a War Academy is feasible. Until then, patches & DLC can change the entire way you play the game.

For Example: If there was a Patch that disabled embarked units, and a DLC that introduced Transport Ships... suddenly any strategy guides pertaining to Embarkment becomes obsolete, and any guide that speaks about the naval-transport being automatic in Civ5 becomes incorrect.

Until the patching slows to a more predictable rate and a more predictable nerf-buff pattern, writing a Strategy guide will be a risky endeavor; at least as far as effort-payoff is concerned.

 

[joyous_gard]

What is a War Academy, I fear I may have spoken out of turn. Where is the War Academy for IV and III? I was looking through the forums and don't see. I just assumed it was a sub forum of strategy, is that wrong?

 

[Camikaze]

What is a War Academy, I fear I may have spoken out of turn. Where is the War Academy for IV and III? I was looking through the forums and don't see. I just assumed it was a sub forum of strategy, is that wrong?

They're linked from the main site. They are a collection of strategy articles, I guess. This is it for 4, and this is it for 3.

 

[Bandobras Took]

my statements are correct as evidenced by your last post you are still here arguing when you could be working on the academy.

If you had actually opened and read those links, you would have noted that I've written two strategy articles -- one for beginners who may not be familiar with the concept of specialists, the other a reference guide for building efficiency in terms of hammers and maintenance. I've updated both for the latest patch. I check them regularly for other comments.

In other words, I'm doing the work that you claim I'm not doing. This is incorrect.

I won't even go into the silly idea that working on a strategy article and posting in this thread are mutually exclusive.

 

[masonryan]

If you had actually opened and read those links, you would have noted that I've written two strategy articles -- one for beginners who may not be familiar with the concept of specialists, the other a reference guide for building efficiency in terms of hammers and maintenance. I've updated both for the latest patch. I check them regularly for other comments.

In other words, I'm doing the work that you claim I'm not doing. This is incorrect.

I won't even go into the silly idea that working on a strategy article and posting in this thread are mutually exclusive.

acctually your still incorrect you have only written two articles hardly a good start to the academy, and you still seem bent on comming in here and continuing to argue, and not really backing up your statements with facts just your oppinions of civ5 happyness is better than civ 3 corupption. checkmate again.
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