I think not including Atheism or what we can say in other words Communism or Communist Ideology or Secularism, whatever, in Civilization 4, is a mistake on the part of the developers which they will definitely realize later. Like all the religions/philosophies, this "ISM" had a great influence on the human race. It is part of the history, just remember the Soviet Union as well as even today many people in East Asia have no religion. With Darwin's theory at the beginning of the industrial revolution this "ISM" had a very strong influence in the West and thereafter throughout the World. People moved much much away from their religions and thought that humans can themselves achieve everything with their own efforts through scientific progress and make the world a paradise. They began to call "God is dead"! This inspiration gave them much confidence in this "ISM" and they did really make many achievements. This idea spread like wildfire at that time throughout the world and people began to consider older religions as superstitions. So this religion/philosophy/ideology or whatever you call it deserves to be included in Civilization 4 and I think the developers should include this now or address this mistake in a patch after the release of the game. I hope this will happen.
Without Atheism the game would remain incomplete. A patch is anticipated I think!!!
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warpstorm
Yumbo? Yumbo!
Sid said that as far as game mechanics go, RL atheism is the same as "Civ Paganism".
A few things:
Soviet Russia banned religion for political reasons, not as part of some greater ideology. Pre-Soviet Russia vested huge power in the Russian orthodox church, and the Bolsheviks did nt want such power sharing. A little known fact is that the Bolsheviks tried to introduce a polytheist state religion to satiate the people's need for religion. Also, Soviet Russia banned religion, while atheists argue against its existance. There is a difference.
Also, atheism hasn't had a great impact on modern society, not compared to the already included religions.
Soviet Russia banned religion for political reasons, not as part of some greater ideology. Pre-Soviet Russia vested huge power in the Russian orthodox church, and the Bolsheviks did nt want such power sharing. A little known fact is that the Bolsheviks tried to introduce a polytheist state religion to satiate the people's need for religion. Also, Soviet Russia banned religion, while atheists argue against its existance. There is a difference.
Also, atheism hasn't had a great impact on modern society, not compared to the already included religions.
Truronian said:
Atheism was the part and parcel of the communist ideology. It was communism's soul and if you read Marx's literature you will come to the same conclusion. It was considered a major tool with which the borguiese controlled the proletariat. Of course the Blosheviks allowed some religious practice but it was tightly controlled by them. Under them religion was largely a cosmetic practice. The Soviet Union was undoubtedly an atheist superpower which denied the existance of any supreme being and therefore you still see "In God we trust" message on every US dollar note. Its just now, after the end of communism, that religions throughout the world have again reemerged and gained importance in peoples lives; so huge was the impact of the Athiest religion/philosophy/ideology. Its a part of human history, you can not ignore it.
Markus6
Prince
With missionaries and religious buildings and a holy city?icet said:
Urederra
Mostly harmless
icet said:
C´mon, It is just a game. I am fine with paganism, I am even fine with communism being a better option than democracy or republic in Civ III
which is completely wrong historically, but for game's sake it is OK to be a better option.If finally add atheism, I am fine as well. I suppose that atheist prophets are as annoying as other religion's prophets, in real life and in the game
vbraun
Raytracing
Have you read any of the threads about atheism in here? It sure doesn't sound like it.
Atheism is not a friggen religon!
Atheism is not a friggen religon!
bman003
Federation President
You know god is stupid to believe in.
Hey I am an atheist preacher, or spreader of atheism! Woohoo they can now add that in civ now since athiesm can spread.
I think all knowledge of why god is not real should be focused here on this forum. We could call it our capital of sorts. Woohoo they can now add that feature to civ now too.
Atheism is a religion. Umm no, even me an atheist/agnostic doesn't believe that. But wait one moment change religion in the game to religious stance, and hay we can have atheism. Woohoo!
Ahh... now this is really gonna cause people freakin freak! LOL
Hey I am an atheist preacher, or spreader of atheism! Woohoo they can now add that in civ now since athiesm can spread.
I think all knowledge of why god is not real should be focused here on this forum. We could call it our capital of sorts. Woohoo they can now add that feature to civ now too.
Atheism is a religion. Umm no, even me an atheist/agnostic doesn't believe that. But wait one moment change religion in the game to religious stance, and hay we can have atheism. Woohoo!
Ahh... now this is really gonna cause people freakin freak! LOL
vbraun
Raytracing
Have you even read the prerealses info? There are no set goverments.icet said:
And there is no such thing as a Comunist/Atheist Missonary.
bman003
Federation President
But there could...
frekk
Scourge of St. Lawrence
Atheism is not a religion. Including it as one would be highly erroneous.
Instead, one's choice of government should have an impact on religion. A primitive society headed by a priest-king or even god-king, for instance, should mean that religion plays a major role, and religious achievements should be important at this stage. In other forms of government, such as a modern parliamentary democracy or democratic republic, religion should take a lesser role, and at the far end of the scale, in a communist state, the society should be more or less immune to religion - no benefits, but no point for others to send missionaries there either.
Given the nature of how governments are supposed to work in Civ4, I imagine one "slider" defining government will be its attitude to religion. Primitive societies will probably be restricted to a few non-secular choices where religion plays a major role. As advances are made, it should be that there is more freedom to choose the level of religious involvement in the society, from high (theocratic/fundamentalist) to medium (secular) to low (communist-style atheism).
Instead, one's choice of government should have an impact on religion. A primitive society headed by a priest-king or even god-king, for instance, should mean that religion plays a major role, and religious achievements should be important at this stage. In other forms of government, such as a modern parliamentary democracy or democratic republic, religion should take a lesser role, and at the far end of the scale, in a communist state, the society should be more or less immune to religion - no benefits, but no point for others to send missionaries there either.
Given the nature of how governments are supposed to work in Civ4, I imagine one "slider" defining government will be its attitude to religion. Primitive societies will probably be restricted to a few non-secular choices where religion plays a major role. As advances are made, it should be that there is more freedom to choose the level of religious involvement in the society, from high (theocratic/fundamentalist) to medium (secular) to low (communist-style atheism).
vbraun
Raytracing
Read the pre-realase info and then you can make smartass comments.icet said:Its very surprising. No governments? So would the terrorists run the country?
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
For gameplay reasons, couldn't it be possible to have no state religion and no religious tollerance, thus creating atheism?
SonicX
Emperor
Argh, don't worry about this. This WILL BE added in a modification within the month the game is released. Stop making such a fuss about it.
SonicX said:
Totally agree with you. Certainly a mod would be created may be changing Paganism to Atheism or just adding Atheism in the game. So Athiests of the world, there is nothing to worry. Mankind can accomplish everything with their own efforts. God is the creation of man and just dont exist. Just thank God that you are Athiests. And I thank God that I am not and He has given be the hope that a mod could arrive.
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