Wonder Elimination Thread

[civnoob13]

Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 17
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 29

The early techs are so cheap there is little need for The Great Library - you can get the same from a goody hut for free.
The Pyramids speed up worker timing so much, which means faster growing. Also, because the time taken for making roads is reduced by 2/3, from 3 to 1, it means that you have far less time when you are wasting money on maintenance with no actual route, which can be very costly.

 

[HarryLime]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 17
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 29

I love me some cheaper rushbuys and I'm always disappointed in how little happiness Forbidden Palace ends up giving me. I usually don't have much more than 10 cities.

 

[doctorfork]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 17
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 12
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

I still say the Pyramids are, until the patch, the most bang for your buck of any wonder out there.

The Oracle, like Great Library, just doesn't measure up. I would say it should have gone down at the same time as the Sydney Opera House-at the very least when you get the Oracle it's easier to get SPs than it is when the SOH is available.

(Yes, I understand that a crucial SP at the beginning of the game is better than a likely throwaway SP at the end of the game-I'm just going devil's advocate on that argument)

 

[Bezurn]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 15
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 12
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Upvote Himeji Castle: Good wonder to build in a future Hermatige site
Downvote - Great Library: Useful for the occasional slingshot to an expensive tech, but expansion or a National College typically a better investment in hammers.

 

[mooseclamps]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 15
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 13
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

i always go Oracle for Cultural Victories. I don't ever feel like I really need Hagia Sophia

 

[civnoob13]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 13
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 13
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Never feel the need for Great Library - the techs are too cheap to make a difference anyway, if you're lucky you can get the same from a goody hut early game. Cristo Redentor is essential for culture games.

 

[Hasire]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 13
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28
Yeah, cheap like civil services? The pyramids requires you to give up the NC start, and even than you might fail.

 

[The_Quasar]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 34
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 13
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 26

Himeji Castle - worth an extra couple of defenders
Pyramids - too expensive and time consuming at a vital time

 

[elprofesor]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 34
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 26
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 11
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 26

Same vote as the last time: Oracle is a loss of time in such a frantic era, while FP is one of the only needed wonders for massive empires. Whether such an empire is needed in the first place is another subject, though.

 

[NicTeos]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 11
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 26

FP - Scaling Happiness Wonder
Castle - Hardly ever at defense

Oracle and GL are both nice, but if I had to decide, than I would the extra SP. RP is easier to obtain than more culture. Also this free SP, doesnt increase the culture costs - it's really one more. And GL becomes awesome, if you get somewhere a GS too, so double bulb.

 

[doctorfork]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 27
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 9
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 27

The Oracle is still the weakest of the ones on the board. It's nice-but at the early stage in the game, there's bigger concerns.

I'm amazed the Pyramids are so(relatively) low. Even for smaller empires, the value of workers to be able to fix/improve tiles that much faster is important. It's my oil, and I want it NOW!

 

[Randall Turner]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 28
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 9
Porcelain Tower 19
Pyramids 27

Didn't post yesterday on this thread b/c I need a weak-link to ping, and that takes some thought.

Notice the oracle is getting hit. I don't agree, that free policy is a good deal, and it's also "free" in that it doesn't add to the cost of subsequent policies.

I'm going to do something a little different this time. I don't think the Porcelain Tower, pre-patch, is a big deal. Two research agreements are likely to give you more of a tech bump than one Great Scientist. It also doesn't scale, and I like Wonders that scale - just a flat GS regardless of empire size. (Great Library has the same problem and is more limiting in that it only gives you the tech itself, which you've got to take immediately - but it comes very early, and is less than half the price of the Porcelain Tower.) Basically by the time I get to Porcelain Tower I have options like RA's that aren't available when the Great Library comes up. (Very similar, though.)

I'll bump Cristo Redentor, scales massively and helps even if you're not going for a Culture victory. (I like culture! )

Edit: fix formatting booboo's.

 

[Tabarnak]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 28
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 14
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 7
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 27

Free tech over a free policy anytime.

 

[Randall Turner]

Free tech over a free policy anytime.

You're weird.

 

[Tabarnak]

You're weird.

Hmm by free tech i mean a tech that can gives you an opportunity to win the game lol. I prefer a free policy over pottery.

 

[Randall Turner]

Hmm by free tech i mean a tech that can gives you an opportunity to win the game lol. I prefer a free policy over pottery.

There are just too many other "good" ways to get technology. I can get the equivalent effect very easily. Policies, not so much. (Post-patch things will change, earlier policies that are very powerful now get nerfed - but of course, the Porcelain Tower gets buffed so much that's irrelevant.)

 

[Tabarnak]

There are just too many other "good" ways to get technology. I can get the equivalent effect very easily. Policies, not so much. (Post-patch things will change, earlier policies that are very powerful now get nerfed - but of course, the Porcelain Tower gets buffed so much that's irrelevant.)

Be awared that i mostly play multiplayer where RAs are practically non-existent and mass allying CSs is almost impossible. Great Scientists have a great value. A 8-10 turns first to Rifles or Artillery can change the tide of a game.

For singleplayer i still rarely build Oracle unless i'm going for a cultural victory since turn 1. Yeah i wonder at which speed policies can be unlocked especially in the beginning.

 

[Bezurn]

Big Ben 28
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 28
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 12
Hagia Sophia 21
Oracle 7
Porcelain Tower 20
Pyramids 27

Same reasons as yesterday.

 

[civnoob13]

I don't understand how people are ranking a free tech (great library) over a free policy (oracle). A free policy is obviously superior.

 

[Bezurn]

I don't understand how people are ranking a free tech (great library) over a free policy (oracle). A free policy is obviously superior.

I agree. Tech is much easier to rush than a policy.