Wonder Elimination Thread

[doctorfork]

Angkor Wat 15
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 31
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 5
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 18
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 18
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

I played the first game in awhile where I didn't get the pyramids. It was agonizingly slow waiting for workers to finish projects. I'd forgotten how much I rely on that wonder.

The GL is great and all, but at the same time as you get it you can start popping down libraries in all your cities and get a national college early-which has a dramatically better long term effect. If you can afford to do both, you need to up your difficulty.

 

[elprofesor]

The GL is great and all, but at the same time as you get it you can start popping down libraries in all your cities and get a national college early-which has a dramatically better long term effect. If you can afford to do both, you need to up your difficulty.

You are forgetting about the meritocracy GP
You shouldn't expect to do it every game, but you can usually pop the GL with a meritocracy GE, it's better than getting a GS.

 

[mooseclamps]

Angkor Wat 15
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 31
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 3
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 18
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30


The Great Library is a fantastic wonder that gives two GS. The choice between a long term science boost or a quick and tactical sling shot is excellent. It's difficult to get, but still worth it.

Taj Mahal is OK, but at that point in the game I generally have too much going on to aim for it. I'll sometimes build it only if I've got nothing else to build. It's a little too hammer expensive imo.

 

[Bezurn]

Angkor Wat 13
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 3
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 18
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Upvote: Himeji Castle - Saves you from losing troops in an overwhelming war.
Downvote: Angkor Wat - An okay wonder, in the mix of some very good wonders.

 

[civnoob13]

Angkor Wat 11
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 3
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 18
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Angkor wat is never needed for me because I never feel as if I want to be expanding cultural tiles faster. I will always try to build Sistine Chapel as its boost for culture is always very useful.

 

[elprofesor]

Angkor Wat was slightly more useful some patches ago, when it gave -75% cost towards acquiring new hexes culturally in the city you built it. Some turns later, there was a huuuge zone that flipped to your colour in the mini-map.

I wouldn't say it isn't useful right now. The 3 hexes rule between cities (which should be removed, by the way, if the new happiness system works as intended) makes it more difficult to "wall" the region you plan to settle later, letting other civs settle it instead. Angkor Wat helps you put up a cultural barrier faster, so that you can you can concentrate on other areas of the game. Plus, it helps getting your new cities to work the furthest optimal spots sooner.

But indeed, it's a tough choice between Angkor Wat and the other wonders. Sistine chapel kinda makes it redundant, though.

 

[Tabarnak]

Ok, so the Louvre is gone. Since we don't need to persist on that subject, let's talk about others :

Angkor Wat 11
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 27
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 3
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 16
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Oracle : I don't really try to build it. I prefer do something else instead. Culture is one of the worst problems in this game because allying cultural CS is very powerful. If i'm aiming for a cultural victory since turn 0 i will build it(i will try Stonenenge too). In mp games, social policies are harder to gain tho.

Himeji Castle : Extra protection is always welcome. Can save some maintenance on units you don't really need. Too bad it will be nerfed to 15% soon.

 

[Randall Turner]

Angkor Wat 9
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 3
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 16
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

I tend to find one Wonder to ping until it dies, staying on Angkor Wat for the same reason as before.

But a lot of the remaining wonders are solid, semi-randomly bumping the Statue of Liberty this time though there are three-four other good candidates.

 

[Babri]

Angkor Wat 7
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 4
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 16
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

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Edit : Sorry I did not realize that I had to give reason for my selection.

Angkor Wat : It simply don't fit into my play style. Rush buying few tiles is more feasible if you really want a tile or resource.
Taj Mahal : Most importantly my ancestor built it. From game point of view, the GA is nice to have if you combine it with Chichen Itza. Also in the new patch there would be few GAs (less happiness) so it would make Taj Mahal more powerful.

 

[NicTeos]

@ Babri - please give reason for your voting behaviour - have a look at the first post.

 

[civnoob13]

Angkor Wat 5 - I never feel the need to expand faster
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 33 - essential for culture games IMHO
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 4
Forbidden Palace 24
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 16
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

 

[elprofesor]

Angkor Wat 5
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 25
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 4
Forbidden Palace 25 Needed for wide empires
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14 There are better wonders in its era.
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

 

[Hasire]

Angkor Wat 5
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 39
Taj Mahal 4
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28
Much of the time, I have already won by railroads or I don't need to put them up. The rest of the time, one worker/city works just fine. Plus, you can always conquer the pyramids.
Christo often shaves 70 turns off of a culture win.

 

[Save_Ferris]

Angkor Wat 5
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 33
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 40
Taj Mahal 2
Forbidden Palace 25
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

Same vote as last time. Same reasoning as last time.

 

[NicTeos]

Angkor Wat 5
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 31
Pentagon 23
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 40
Taj Mahal 2
Forbidden Palace 26
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

FP - Scaling Happiness Wonder
Castle - I'm hardly at defemse

 

[Randall Turner]

Angkor Wat 3
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 31
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 40
Taj Mahal 2
Forbidden Palace 26
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

Same rationale for both, Wat minor expansion benefit, Pentagon bookoo bucks saved.

It's becoming clear we're never going to finish this, we should just pull the plug and start over at a base "10" post-patch.

 

[civnoob13]

It's becoming clear we're never going to finish this, we should just pull the plug and start over at a base "10" post-patch.

Let's just try to get as many out as possible while still being honest. We'll probably get 4 or 5 out before the patch. When I make the post-patch ones a few weeks after the patch has been released, I'll probably either reduce to 10 or 15 to start off with.

 

[doctorfork]

Angkor Wat 3
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 31
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Taj Mahal 0 - GONE
Forbidden Palace 26
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

I think there's plenty of reasons to get rid of the Taj-it's a wonder you only build if you have the luxury of being able to build it. The effects of a GA are not that earth shattering that you rush towards it. (Unless you're playing as Persia-and even then it may not be enough of an incentive)

Stonehenge is, for many reasons already discussed, a great starting point. If you get it early in the game, it alone is likely responsible for 3SPs. Getting this puts you on the fast track to a cultural win.

 

[Bezurn]

Angkor Wat 1
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 26
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

Same reasons as yesterday.

I think if we do another one we should start at 30 each, but change downvotes to -3 and +1 for upvotes. That way it's 10 votes to eliminate one, but upvotes carry less weight and would speed up the process. Going less than 10 votes can see some items eliminated before someone with a different viewpoint can argue a case against its early elimination.

 

[NicTeos]

Angkor Wat 0
Big Ben 27
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 26
Himeji Castle 32
Pentagon 24
Sistine Chapel 24
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 41
Forbidden Palace 27
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Oracle 14
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 28

FP - scaling happiness Wonder
Angkor Wat - it doesn't matter at atll, maybe more useful at the begin in the ancient.