Wonder Elimination Thread

New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 14
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 19
Great Library 17
Hanging Gardens 33 (+1)
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 7
Sistine Chapel 18
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 7 (-3)


This is getting tough! Nearly every game my focus is growth, science, production and then happiness. growth implies the former 2 and negatively affects happiness.

Although I seldom build it, Hanging Gardens gets my vote from this list.

About 20-30 turns in, I know if Religion is going to matter to me in the game or not. If I absolutely need the faith from Stonehenge I would consider building it but its never happened so far.
 
@hobbsyoyo: thank you, but I meant it rhetorical. I like the first half of the game, but after say 250 turns I become bored and then start a new game. So you won't see me praise any of the later wonders.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 14
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 19
Great Library 17
Hanging Gardens 33 (+1)
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 4 (-3)
Sistine Chapel 18
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 7

The mids would be more useful if Liberty weren't the dominant early social policy. As it stands now, I already get -25% worker time and a free working in about 60% of my games. I also always buy, steal, bully or hard build another worker early -- I suspect that most of us do. I just don't see room for the mids when I'm trying to juggle other early game priorities.

When Petra is good, it's awesome. Even the extra bonuses (free amphitheater and +6 culture at archeology) are really good.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 14
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 19
Great Library 17
Hanging Gardens 34 (+1)
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 1 (-3)
Sistine Chapel 18
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 7

Well...this is getting easier again...of the wonders left, the Pyramids is the least compelling...I usually try to build it, but am not too disappointed if I get scooped....

And, hey, one more negative vote and the Pyramids are toast...:)

The Hanging Gardens is great if I can get it which is seldom... As has been frequently said before the AI view it as a "must-have"....
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 14
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 19
Great Library 17
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 1 +1 = 2
Sistine Chapel 18
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 7 -3 = 4

Pyramids - one last hurrah. Like the improvement boost
Stonehenge - better ways to get faith.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 17
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 2
Sistine Chapel 18
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 4
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 27
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 2
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 4

Shocker, i know. Twice now ive used the free tech from GL for Iron Working and it was timed great for quick upgrades to take cities. I also used Pyramids to get those iron mines up fast. Why yes, this wasnt on harder difficulties (Immortal or Deity) but it was still a lot of fun.

I never build the Sixteen Candles unless im doing a culture vic which is really seldom.

edit: grr i hate it when my post comes in just after someone elses and i have to adjust it.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 28
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 27
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 2
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Machu : Nice wonder. Get your ass 1-2 tiles from a mountain and build it when you can. You never have enough :c5gold:. Don't wait too much, if the AI has some cities near them they will gladly build it pretty soon in the game depending of difficulty.

Stonehenge : Get a good pantheon to boost faith instead. Quarries, gold/silver mines, desert, natural wonders, wine/incense. You will be unlucky to not find some near you. Or just build 3-4 cities right away and start with a shrine. That way you will not slow down your inital expansion for a poor +4 fpt.
 
Mids and Stonehenge are on the edge of oblivion. Someone finish them! (I would, but I've already voted today). The one high-scoring wonder that I don't understand is the Statute of Liberty. It's a late-game wonder that might give you a couple of hammers in certain large cities if you use specialists. Meh. Are there lots of Korea players here?
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 34
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 28
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Pyramids 0
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Notre Dame: It is good mid-game happiness so you dont have to worry about it for a while

Pyramids: I usually dont need the extra workers and the faster tile improvement time is not really noticeable, plus I just had to do it
 
New voting -3/+1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 31
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 29
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Should have been voting a while ago, but it took me a bit to read through all the posts.

Machu Pichu is just one of my favorite wonders, I will often go out of my way to found a city to build it, and will prep for war once I know which AI beats me to it if they do. When it can give +100 :c5gold: a turn it is just astounding. Always useful to have and it scales.

While hubble is awesome, it is just so highly focused for science victories it seems too narrow to win.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 11
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 28 (-3)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 29
Neuschwanstein Castle 14 (+1)
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 28
Porcelain Tower 26
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Hubble: A phenomenal RL achievement and possibly the greatest tool mankind has built to date. But the in-game representation comes too late to actually affect who wins the game in the vast majority of cases.

Nooch: Hadn't paid much attention to this one until I started reading some of the comments in this thread. Tallied up the bonuses, and I realized this one of the best wonders on the board.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 8
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 28
Leaning Tower of Pisa 26
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 29
Neuschwanstein Castle 14
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 26
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Stonehenge and the just-departed Pyramids are getting heavily victimised - but I think at this stage it's probably not wholly unjustified. Stonehenge deserves to stay somewhat longer since it comes so early that that +5 faith equals a lot in the long run (yes, you can get a pantheon to do the same thing - but (a) Pantheon + Stonehenge = more faith, and (b) Stonehenge instead of a pantheon means culture farming or Messenger of the Gods are available to you, both of which will be superior bonuses if you're not going heavy religion). However, +1 won't save it at this point so I won't waste a vote on it.

As for the poor Pyramids, they probably did drop at about the right time, but now that Tradition is my go-to policy most of the time - and the only thing I much miss from it is, in fact, the free worker - the Pyramids are an indirect way to get that, and being able to grab strategic resources as they become available with a 25% improvement speed boost is more valuable in the long-term than people looking at Pyramids and thinking "Two free workers - want it early or never" gave it credit for.

Anyway, my votes:

Petra again, because it's the two hundredth anniversary of its rediscovery by Europeans this month.

Brandenburg Gate: I like this Wonder, but then most of the remaining ones are ones I either build or, if not, I should build more often (Big Ben, Chichen Itza). Brandenburg does come at a useful time, since it shortly predates the transition into air power you can't upgrade to from earlier units, but its value is entirely contingent on building the full suite of military upgrade buildings - it's not a Wonder with an important stand-alone effect. It's also relatively less useful for domination victories than other types, since by the time it appears the units you can upgrade will have seen so much combat they should have the full suite of good promotions - and while popping units with three and a half promotions looks impressive, for most other victory conditions you don't particularly need them.

Machu Pichu is just one of my favorite wonders, I will often go out of my way to found a city to build it, and will prep for war once I know which AI beats me to it if they do. When it can give +100 a turn it is just astounding. Always useful to have and it scales.
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Nice to see this finally getting some love - it was oddly neglected for much of the early voting, but it's one I'd like to see make the final four (the Wonders I'd be torn between calling "the best", the others being The Oracle, The Hanging Gardens and Petra. All of the remainder are too limited or simply not as good, in my view, with the possible exception of Pisa).

STOP THE HUBBLE HATE GUYZ
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Stop upvoting it then...

Seriously, at 28 at the moment I think it's probably about where it should be in relation to the remaining Wonders at this stage.
 
hbar said:
I <snip> love the Hubble in real life, but the Civ V version of it is pants.
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How, aside from it's late appearance (which can't be avoided given it's nature). Do you not like free technologies or science in general?
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 8
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 25
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 29
Neuschwanstein Castle 14
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 26
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Hubble only really affects people going for Science victories, if not it doesn't really do anything special and Leaning Tower's free great person always comes handy.
 
New voting system -3 +1

Alhambra 18
Big Ben 19
Brandenburg Gate 8
Chichen Itza 25
Eiffel Tower 20
Great Library 18
Hanging Gardens 34
Hubble 22
Leaning Tower of Pisa 27
Louvre 28
Machu Picchu 29
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 28
Oracle 32
Petra 29
Porcelain Tower 26
Sistine Chapel 15
Statue of Liberty 28
Stonehenge 1

Again, N. Castle is awesome, and might give you more than any wonder can, specially for wide empires.

My dislike goes for the Hubble, as it comes too late. I usually build it, but just to buff my score a little - I'm also not a fan of science victories.
 
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