Wonder Elimination Thread

Alhambra 6
Chichen Itza 28
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 14
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 12
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9

Notre Dame, just because I love that place in real life (and the bonus in happiness helped me in many games)
Neuschwanstein Castle is too situational. I can almost never build it.
 
Alhambra 3
Chichen Itza 28
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 14
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 12
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 28
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 24
Sistine Chapel 9

I really like Alhambra. It's a killer wonder for getting the march promotion asap. But we're at the point where all of the remaining wonders are quite good. I'm giving the neg to Alhambra because it only applies to melee unit (no help getting logistics). Oracle can save you 20+ turns late game. The bonus to culture is also really valuable early game.
 
Alhambra 0
Chichen Itza 28
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 14
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 12
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 28
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 25
Sistine Chapel 9

Alhambra is mediocre at best and compared to the rest of these, only Sistine Chapel should have gone earlier than this one, imo.

PT is just always good for every vic type.
 
Chichen Itza 25
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 14
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 28
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 25
Sistine Chapel 9

Chichen: too hard to get unless you delve like the AI, which has too many bonuses to match this way.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 11
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 28
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 25
Sistine Chapel 9

Hubble is a waste of time if you're trying to rush through the parts.
Chichen Itza: Golden ages are better than ever, and happiness is always welcome.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 14
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 28
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 25
Sistine Chapel 9

N. Castle is a monster for wide empires.

I almost never go for science, so Hubble becomes lackluster and not worth the hammers IMHO
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 14
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 29
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Sistine Chapel 9

I rarely get research agreements to last, and the Great Scientist just messes up your own. Oracle is AMAZING!!!!
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Sistine Chapel 9

As I've said earlier, The Oracle is pathetic, it's just a free SP.
 
As I've said earlier, The Oracle is pathetic, it's just a free SP.
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The Oracle is not just 1 free SP. It also discounts all future policies (because SP costs scale up every time you get a SP normally, but the Oracle doesn't increase the scale of SPs). Building the Oracle is like saying "I would like cheaper SPs for the rest of the game." Way more powerful than just one SP.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 27
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 15
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 6

SC : Only useful for cultural games. It doesn't deserve to stay for a top 10 wonders list.
PT : Significant bonuses for any strategies available. Well rounded wonder.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 29
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 24 (-3)
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 16 (+1)
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 6

Neuschwanstein - might not be the best wonder left, but I'd like to see it hang around a bit longer.

Louvre - I almost never build this. It's an AI favourite so a lot of the time I don't even bother trying. 2 free GAs is not too shabby at all, but I'd rather take Chichen Itza with the constant GA bonus.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 30 +1
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 24
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 3 -3

Well...with this rather short list...I would say the Sistine is the least impressive... I always try to build it though...

And missing out on the rather elusive Hanging Gardens is always a disappointment ...but one that I've learned to endure as I almost never can get it....

Must be that those things that are hard to come by are always the most appealing...;)
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 24
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 3
 
knighterrant81 said:
The Oracle is not just 1 free SP. It also discounts all future policies (because SP costs scale up every time you get a SP normally, but the Oracle doesn't increase the scale of SPs). Building the Oracle is like saying "I would like cheaper SPs for the rest of the game." Way more powerful than just one SP.
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Not true. Oracle is just 1 free SP . The whole game through you will have exactly 1 SP extra thanks to the Oracle (besides the 3 culture/turn). If the Oracle indeed did increase the scale of SP's, then it would have been only a handful of culture points.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 25
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 23
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 3

- Oracle: I understand that it doesn't increse policy cost, but even so I just don't find it all that useful in my games. There are plenty of other things i'd rather build at the time the oracle becomes available.

+ Machu Picchu: One of my favorite wonders if not my absolute favorite, I love the gold boost it gives.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 9 (+1)
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 25
Neuschwanstein Castle 16
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 23
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 0 (-3)
Hubble because it's awesome.
Sistine because I never build it.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 9
Leaning Tower of Pisa 28
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 26
Neuschwanstein Castle 13
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 23
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23

Hubble should stick around a bit longer, but to focus on my feelings for which are the best Wonders I'll add my vote for MP to avoid it becoming an also-ran. Is Petra the best situational Wonder? Quite possibly. But Macchu Picchu is the only other contender for that title.

Down with the castle because, while the points raised in its defence are good and it's deserved to stick around this long, it doesn't deserve to stick around much longer.
 
Chichen Itza 26
Hanging Gardens 31
Hubble 8
Leaning Tower of Pisa 25(-3)
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 25
Neuschwanstein Castle 17(+1)
Notre Dame 32
Oracle 23
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 23
Sistine Chapel 3

Neuschwanstein Castle is a reason to build castles, and it can save you maintenance on other happiness buildings, especially if you are playing wide on a conquest/puppets kick (puppets tend to build things like walls and castles). Pisa and PT I feel are overrated because of how useful their effects were in Vanilla. Due to their position and the nerfing of Rationalism, they just aren't as fantastic as they used to be.
 
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