Wonders of Destruction 2

Ah yes, Turtledove. :goodjob:

So now there is yet another good argument in favour of very heavy arty and battleship guns - dealing with lizardine alien invaders! :yeah: :ack:
 
Wasn't Iraq building a Cannon that was supposed to be able to shoot from Iraq to USA?

Based on the Jules Verne Idea, of a cannon that shoots ships to the Moon.
 
The Iraqi 'Supergun' the brainchild of Gerald Bull, could not quite shoot that far, but still could shoot several hundred miles. Rather hard to shift afterwards, so it may be surmised what type of shell was intended to be fired...
Forsyth's 'The Fist of God' is a good fictionalized account of it.
 
The german WWII railguns, was as said ineffective. They demanded around 2000 men each to operate & seperate railroad tracks - or you'd basicly block the traffic, and for I belive every second or therred round fiered you needed to recalibrate it, cuz the load would tear down the firemecanism. It was however bad for the moral of any forse that had to meet them. The sound when the sheels came falling down, and the gigantic explotion. The resources spent on the two guns could however have been better used on tanks.
 
The Iraqi gun was to be made by a company based in the UK.
My old man worked on the project, which was under the guise of a huge oil pipe.

It never could have been a gun, in that it was being made of flanged pipe segments.
Who ever heard of a rifled oil pipe?
It would have never survived a firing, but the UK media made much of the story regradless.

As my father said, any trainee pipe stress engineer would tell you Saddam's dream gun would never, ever work.

Not with the components Saddam wanted to build it with...

;)
 
The Stealth Corvette HMS Visby. :love:

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And my favourite fighter, Gripen! :D
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There is some conjecture over the issue of the 'supercannon'. It is true that the specs and planning would not have probably worked, but that was after the Iraqis had killed the man behind the idea, Gerald Bull, arguably one of the world's foremost heavy artillery/ballistics scientists...he ran the US program on launching satellites using the barrel of a 16" naval gun.

Basically, it only needed to be fired once...

The biggest post WW2 gun that actually made it, to a degree, was the 280mm US cannon, designed for firing nuclear projectiles (the video footage is out there on the net; quite nice :yeah: ), but it was abandoned for being too unwieldy.

As for the stealth frigate and its DD-21 type ilk, they are not pleasing to one's eye, and effectively their main defence is hoping not to get seen.
But that is the way with most modern vessels; they try and avoid contact, and then try and prosecute incoming threats with multi-million dollar missiles, but once this defence screen and any CIWS is penetrated, then it is goodnight nurse. (This is of course symptomatic of a defense approach centred around getting where the enemy ain't; which is a very good idea, but not always an option...)
This is not to say that this is necessarily a bad defensive technique, but it has dangerous flaws that can be exploited by a foe who moves in asymmetric ways. A balance of the various means of protection is optimum in ones view, with armour still retaining overall utility even against ultra-modern threats.

Anyway, I digress. Anyone got any pictures of the A-3 Skywarrior, perchance?
 
but that was after the Iraqis had killed the man behind the idea, Gerald Bull,

*ahem*
 
One is aware of the conjecture and the theories that he met with an end via the agencies of some jolly katsas from Mossad, but that does not really compute with procedure, or the fact that he was trying to break with the Iraqis and defect/get the hell out.
Besides, he had already done the damage, with his work on the Iraqi artillery park, and their "space program". He was surplus to requirements, knew too much, and was getting frisky.
Now of course the immediate assumption would be that he was done in by the Israelis, and this suited the Iraqi purposes. Nor would it be against Israeli interests for it to be assumed it was their doing; somewhat of a deterrent for Western scientists working with hostile Arab regimes, at the very least.

So, unless they go around telling secrets of intelligence operations, particularly deniable wet work, to all and sundry Israeli teenagers (which would not be entirely advisable...the Elie Cohen type situation can work in reverse...) then one stands by ones view of the matter.

:p
 
Since I've been on a carrier theme (including Darky's A-3s) here are a couple of shots of UK carriers.

The winner of the UK CVF project, to enter service in 2012/2015 operating JSF initially. 950ft long, 60,000 ton, largest RN warships ever built. Of course, they aren't built yet, and 2012 is a long way away - 2 elections at least.
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The last 'real' RN carrier, HMS Ark Royal, taken some time in the mid 80s, during her swansong.
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Two carriers in one photo. Her Majesty's Ships Ark Royal and Eagle operating off Mozambique, March 1966.
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The oldest commissioned ship in the US Navy, the USS Constitution:

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Here's "Old Ironsides" firing it's cannon:
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Not a wonder of destruction, but a technological marvel nonetheless.

Rest in peace, Columbia.

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Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Ah yes, Turtledove. :goodjob:

So now there is yet another good argument in favour of very heavy arty and battleship guns - dealing with lizardine alien invaders! :yeah: :ack:
youre right
 
Sigh...
We should remember this awesome machine, and the awesome astronauts who gave their lives for humanity and knowledge.

:(
 
Yet more pictures of HMS Ark Royal.

The first two are of the WW2 fleet carrier - the picture under attack is dated Nov 27, 1940, which makes this during Operation Collar, and the bombs are in all likelihood from an Italian bombing run.
The second photo, of a Swordfish turning over Ark Royal, is from the same period.
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The final photo is of the post-war Ark during a 'tropical storm in the Indian Ocean', which almost certainly makes this a mid 60s Beira patrol photo. The planes on deck appear to be Sea Vixens.
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For our nautical poster...
There are two new British CVs being built in my hometown!

:)
 
Curt

When CVF01 is floating, in the water, with aircraft on board I will believe it. Until then it's just a gleam in their Lordships' eyes. :)
 
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