World 2008 development thread.
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I called barbarians rebels, because I viewed them as being used as insurgents, like the al-quida in Iraq and rebels in tibet. I called the peaceful barbarians destabalized states/collapsing states like alot of African countries that are collapsing due to civil war and starvation.
yeah, either way is cool, we are using that barbarian group to cover a lot of different kinds of fighters.
Although, I don't know about calling the peaceful ones collapsing. Most of them are functioning states that just don't fit anywhere else, right? The collapsing ones could go in the first group, the second group could be more just the stable states that we can't find anything else for. Whatever you think is best bud.
Although, I don't know about calling the peaceful ones collapsing. Most of them are functioning states that just don't fit anywhere else, right? The collapsing ones could go in the first group, the second group could be more just the stable states that we can't find anything else for. Whatever you think is best bud.
I think Neutral States would make more sense. Is it out of the question that we could add 10 more civs or so? It would help spread everything out.
By the way, I have CivGold on this computer, so a lot of the civs are done or have materials that could be used for them already. I'll send you two a PM in a minute about SourceForge and a thing called 'Subversion'.
By the way, I have CivGold on this computer, so a lot of the civs are done or have materials that could be used for them already. I'll send you two a PM in a minute about SourceForge and a thing called 'Subversion'.
-Raynor-
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Well, today I was desperately looking for modern world scenario and miraculously found only this topic to be active.
I'm not sure if it is good to have 35 factions in the game. Apparentaly I'm pretty much lame comparing to you, but I belive game should be playable... so why to put Vietnam in? Or Kazakhstan? I know, accuracy... But anyway, Civ is IMO still a game for less number of states, it's not like Europa Universalis or similar. Should't be enough to put into game few superpowers, like USA, EU, Russia, China, (relative) Iran and India, it's allies/vassals (merger together) and, if needes, "a hot spot states", like Izrael, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan, North and South Korea or Taiwan?
I'm not sure if it is good to have 35 factions in the game. Apparentaly I'm pretty much lame comparing to you, but I belive game should be playable... so why to put Vietnam in? Or Kazakhstan? I know, accuracy... But anyway, Civ is IMO still a game for less number of states, it's not like Europa Universalis or similar. Should't be enough to put into game few superpowers, like USA, EU, Russia, China, (relative) Iran and India, it's allies/vassals (merger together) and, if needes, "a hot spot states", like Izrael, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan, North and South Korea or Taiwan?
Thanks for the input. A couple people have said that they would rather see a world that basically just consists of a few large unions/superpowers. That's a possibility for perhaps a latter scenario for this mod, if someone wants to make it, but what we're trying to do with this is portray the modern world. The modern world is not four or five superpowers fighting each other directly. It's a bunch of small micro states and various low intensity conflicts. Playing as one of the major powers, you're going to have to compete for influence in and resources from the smaller nations, or you'll have to invade them. Like real life. That's what we're trying to recreate, and once we do, it is going to be sweet. As you mentioned, it is not easy to find a modern day mod for this game.
We may not include an independent Vietnam. Kazakhstan I think is too large to just give to Russia. Basically all of the other states we're including are either large nations (Indonesia, Australia, etc) or hot spots to some degree.
-Raynor-
Chieftain
Well, I belive that more important for the mod is to choice how it'd go as game progress. We have a climate changes today, oil supposedly runs out, UN power decrease. Tension rises between the West and Russia, and between the West and China. Comparing this, I think that events like that should be scripted into scenario. If it's just picture of today world or if the scenario would go on.
And also the question is, whether or not the scenario would need some mod to play.
Well. I think 35 nations would be good, but I'd prefer that small states would be vassals or somehow put together. But that is my choice, right now I'd love to play any current world scenario.
However, I'd like to see those hot spot states. For example, Taiwan should be independent and with bad relations with China, however it'd would have Defense pact with US. If local conflict occurs, US player should be able to chose whether or not to go into war with China. Izrael-Palestina, Iraq-Iran, Pakistan-India, North Korea-South Korea, pick one and you have the same situation.
Also, EU maybe could be split into two parts. For me as someone who live in EU, it's not like we are as united as Russia or US.
Last but not least, I'm kinda fan of random events, and I think that in this "not neccesary world war" scenerio the event should be strengthened. As I said, climate changes, oil peak, and it's not like in today's world expedition to Alpha Centaury is exactly next door...
And also the question is, whether or not the scenario would need some mod to play.
Well. I think 35 nations would be good, but I'd prefer that small states would be vassals or somehow put together. But that is my choice, right now I'd love to play any current world scenario.
However, I'd like to see those hot spot states. For example, Taiwan should be independent and with bad relations with China, however it'd would have Defense pact with US. If local conflict occurs, US player should be able to chose whether or not to go into war with China. Izrael-Palestina, Iraq-Iran, Pakistan-India, North Korea-South Korea, pick one and you have the same situation.
Also, EU maybe could be split into two parts. For me as someone who live in EU, it's not like we are as united as Russia or US.
Last but not least, I'm kinda fan of random events, and I think that in this "not neccesary world war" scenerio the event should be strengthened. As I said, climate changes, oil peak, and it's not like in today's world expedition to Alpha Centaury is exactly next door...
@NikNaks93- When I say barbarians, I mean nations that that are at war with everyone. I think we should represent states that are generally referred to as failed states with barbarians, along with the rebels in Iraq, Tibet, etc etc etc.
I was thinking that, if it's possible, we could have a second barbarian civ who are not at war with anyone, as there are in Ryse's and Fall of Civilization. Just to fill out the map. We could make countries that we're not going to make but don't fall in to any other union, like Singapore, Papua New Guinea, etc, fall in to this category.
I was thinking that, if it's possible, we could have a second barbarian civ who are not at war with anyone, as there are in Ryse's and Fall of Civilization. Just to fill out the map. We could make countries that we're not going to make but don't fall in to any other union, like Singapore, Papua New Guinea, etc, fall in to this category.
-Raynor-
Chieftain
Shouldn't Zimbabwe be also alone, or "failed"?
Tough call. Too small to be it's own civ I'd say.
ha, I guess this is why it's easier to make historical civs. We don't know if Mugabee is going to step down or if Zimbabwe is going to fall in to flames by the time our mod is ready for release.
I would expect that the Zimbabwe of the past couple years would be closer to the independent African states group, but who knows what is going to happen now.
There are a few other African countries which I am not sure about as well. I'm going to do some research and post more on this over the weekend,
Responded to most of your comment in the pm but forgot about this:
Something I had been thinking about as well, as I realize the EU is not (yet?) completely integrated. It's closer to (but more integrated than) NAFTA or ASEAN than it is to the USA. I was thinking maybe the UK as it's own civ, and the Euro nations as the EU. I'm not keen on splitting it up in to two large groups however, because while I realize that we can't accurately represent every nation/union that exists, I don't want to editorialize and include any more fictional ones than we absolutely have to. We already have to exaggerate the African Union and create another union of African states that doesn't exist.
Hey who knows, maybe The World 2008 V5.0 for Civ 8 will have 195 civs and everyone can be happy. Well, except for you guys who would prefer large unions, then you really wouldn't like it.
Something I had been thinking about as well, as I realize the EU is not (yet?) completely integrated. It's closer to (but more integrated than) NAFTA or ASEAN than it is to the USA. I was thinking maybe the UK as it's own civ, and the Euro nations as the EU. I'm not keen on splitting it up in to two large groups however, because while I realize that we can't accurately represent every nation/union that exists, I don't want to editorialize and include any more fictional ones than we absolutely have to. We already have to exaggerate the African Union and create another union of African states that doesn't exist.
Hey who knows, maybe The World 2008 V5.0 for Civ 8 will have 195 civs and everyone can be happy. Well, except for you guys who would prefer large unions, then you really wouldn't like it.
hmm, the UK could be a part of our NATO civ, have the capital in London instead of Ankra. That would make more sense actually, and have all the Euro nations as the EU. The EU was going to be too strong the way we had it anyway. Or we could put the UK on it's own. You decide, you guys know more about Europe than I do.
Afghanistan should actually be controlled by NATO instead of the USA, with some Canadian and EU troops there. At least southern Afghanistan.
Yeah, that works.hmm, the UK could be a part of our NATO civ, have the capital in London instead of Ankra. That would make more sense actually, and have all the Euro nations as the EU. The EU was going to be too strong the way we had it anyway. Or we could put the UK on it's own. You decide, you guys know more about Europe than I do.
I wonder. Could America be a permanent vassal of NATO? That would make it work the way we want, right?
Yes, definitely. Have some areas of Afghanistan controlled by the first Barbarian civ.
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