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philippe, I can't even begin to imagine how you can not feel sympathy for those people and their families. Maybe you shouldn't think of them as "americans" but rather as people.

It doesn't matter where you live, or why the attacks happened. If you even mean a word of what you write, then I need to re-examine my evaluation of humanity.
 
i said id didnt cared but i now care.WHY YOU PEOPLE SAYING THAT?i said that i now care.so dont come to me and start to nag
 
If you don't care about 9-11, you don't care about civilization.

If you don't have sympathy for victims of 9-11, you aren't civilized.

You don't have either.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
If you don't care about 9-11, you don't care about civilization.

If you don't have sympathy for victims of 9-11, you aren't civilized.

You don't have either.

Many people hate the hypocrisy after 9-11, therefore they try to annoy people by
saying that they didn't care of the victims.

15 000 - 25 000 died in India earthquakes '99.
I didn't see that in news.
3 000 - 5 000 died in 2001. Oh, suddenly the dead is so tragic.
 
The difference that comes immediatelyto mind is that 9-11 wasn't a natural catastrophe. People die in accidents all the time. Murder is a much graver thing.

Both are sad.
 
thats right juize
every day 40000 die of hunger.that is not natural.
but that is not important for america and the rest of the world
in america 3000 people die
suddenly the whole world is in shock i dont get it
 
Originally posted by philippe
every day 40000 die of hunger.
Bull****.
Real number is much closer to 400.
Stop making up facts.

that is not natural.
Because of overpopulation, it is.
Fortunatly we have these guys like pope and Simon Darkshade who
are braking condoms on 3rd world, which will cause most of starvation.
With efficient food-system, current 6 bil. pop. of the earth could be fed.
Instead, 200 mil. is overweight and 2-3 bil. live in hunger.

but that is not important for america and the rest of the world
in america 3000 people die
suddenly the whole world is in shock i dont get it

Me neither. There are few explanations :
(a) USA goverment is full of ignorant idiots.
(b) USA mid-class is full of ignorant idiots and media feeds it to gain more money.
(c) USA mid-class is full of ignorant idiots and goverment feeds it to gain more power.
 
Juize, the earthquakes in Turkey and India were covered for days in US news. The attacks of 9/11 received more attention because they happened in the US, to americans. In other words, people could relate to it - that could have been me. The Turks and Indians received both extensive attention and help - much of that from westerners (US and europeans). To say that people in the US did not care about them is not a fair judgement.

philippe, you are right to be surprized that the attacks on the WTC should be so shocking to the rest of the world. As I mentioned earlier, that event pales next to the traumas others have suffered many times in recent years. However, as you stated above,
"but its far away from our country so we dont care "
The news is always full of foreigners dying in large numbers, but it's abstract until one can relate to it. Just as the WTC did not move you to tears, hearing about starving Sudanese won't bring a very emotional response from a New Yorker. However, seeing the building his friends work in crumble to dust will shake him profoundly.

To state that you just don't care sounds harsh. I hope it was just a language problem. To everybody else, give him a break if he doesn't speak english well enough to make his position clear on the first try.
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Vrylakas, your tales of eastern europe remind me - I was in Holland when Yugoslavia fell into war. I met a young Croatian man that morning. He was just sitting on a bench, staring into space. When prompted, he responded "I woke up this morning to find out my country is in a civil war." He was away for a week vacation, but had no idea when he would be able to return to find his family. Not a pleasant position to be in...
 
Originally posted by Juize
HINT:
Try to spell currently. You seem like an oxymoron if you dont.
Is this a joke? :confused:

Please refrain from the personal attacks. Calling people idiots is not going to bring anything good to the discussion.
 
Originally posted by Juize
Because of overpopulation, it is.
Fortunatly we have these guys like pope and Simon Darkshade who
are braking condoms on 3rd world, which will cause most of starvation.
With efficient food-system, current 6 bil. pop. of the earth could be fed.
Instead, 200 mil. is overweight and 2-3 bil. live in hunger.

Hang on, you venomous little reptile. I never claimed to be against contraception, only abortion. I am not "braking condoms on 3rd world" (sic). If people are going to engage in sexual congress, then it is best that they use such prophylactic devices. I have never said otherwise.
You really should be ashamed of yourself, boy, not knowing the difference between abortion and condoms! :lol:

Efficient food-system requires a lot of other prerequisites; there is an order in which things can be done in order to fix a problem permanently.

And Juize, it is really funny to see you handing out chastisement over errors in English spelling and grammar! :lol: :p ;) ("All points bulletin for the pot calling the kettle black!")

Murder is different from an accident in that murder is a deliberate, malicious act of ending someone elses life. It arouses far more innate horror than accidental death, which is still terrible.
What shocks you more: "17 people die in bus crash" or "17 innocent children raped and killed by evil maniac in orgy of destruction" ?
Hopefully the second.

The difference between the reactions to events is quite simple, and your insulting analysis is quite unnecessary, Juizy. It simply comes down to something being more hard hitting the closer it is to you.
A guy in the next street dies.
Your next door neighbour dies.
A member of your immediate family dies.

Your reactions will get progressively heavier the closer it is to you.
Very simple.

But it is quite often that teenage punks will say offensive things simply to arouse a reaction, and get adverse attention, which is better than none at all. :D ;)
 
No personal offends
I was trying to get him used to the following person...:

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


Hang on, you venomous little reptile. I never claimed to be against contraception, only abortion. I am not "braking condoms on 3rd world" (sic). If people are going to engage in sexual congress, then it is best that they use such prophylactic devices. I have never said otherwise.
You really should be ashamed of yourself, boy, not knowing the difference between abortion and condoms! :lol:

Efficient food-system requires a lot of other prerequisites; there is an order in which things can be done in order to fix a problem permanently.

And Juize, it is really funny to see you handing out chastisement over errors in English spelling and grammar! :lol: :p ;) ("All points bulletin for the pot calling the kettle black!")

Murder is different from an accident in that murder is a deliberate, malicious act of ending someone elses life. It arouses far more innate horror than accidental death, which is still terrible.
What shocks you more: "17 people die in bus crash" or "17 innocent children raped and killed by evil maniac in orgy of destruction" ?
Hopefully the second.

The difference between the reactions to events is quite simple, and your insulting analysis is quite unnecessary, Juizy. It simply comes down to something being more hard hitting the closer it is to you.
A guy in the next street dies.
Your next door neighbour dies.
A member of your immediate family dies.

Your reactions will get progressively heavier the closer it is to you.
Very simple.

But it is quite often that teenage punks will say offensive things simply to arouse a reaction, and get adverse attention, which is better than none at all. :D ;)

*talks to himself*
Don't crack up
Don't get pissed
Don't flame
When talking to moron,
check that his not
talking to moron too
the best way to deal
with sarcasm is to
fake that you don't
understand it...
When someone from
Australia has just
passed a school
where people teach
strange words which
will look good in
bullettin boards,
and they use them
on bullettin boards
to make their posts
look wiser, just
try to be nice.
When someone will
say you to an idiot
punker who says
that everyones a
fascist because you've
called some means
'stalinistic', and
then blames your
tiniest spelling
errors, dont start flaming.
When someones says
you to a idiot punker-
hippie 'rebel and
uses evil sarcasm
just because of
your age, make sure
that you don't make
of yourself moron
rebel, by not f**king
to him. When typing,
avoid spamming.
Remember, what would
our Administrator do:...

Can't we just be friends? Why you try to insult me?

*calms down*
The point of this thread is "Cant we just..." -comment.
 
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
(..) ("All points bulletin for the pot calling the kettle black!")(..)

:confused:

EDIT : Sorry, but when you're pissed off, you're pissed off. :sad: :sad: :o
 
The Muslim Extrements (<--this is not a Spell error) want to complain about the 11th century crusades, they hav'nt see nothin' yet. Leave no stone unturned, Leave no two stones
standing. Avenge September 11
 
Hmmm...

Not to be a forum Nazi BUT:

Juize, what is with the one liners? And the smiley only replies? I am pretty sure that you can manage to squeeze that into the post DIRECTLY ABOVE IT?

I see in your location you are trying to catch up on the top 25 poster board.

Good luck.

Phillipe: Being shocking is not your forte. Perhaps try a different approach to not having a good answer, like saying nothing at all.

rmsharpe: And you get angry when Europeans make fun of Americans for sounding stupid. Well, your reply above doesn't do much good dispelling that thought does it? Don't use racial slurs!

Nitpicking on a person's SECOND language is just not nice. I used to post on a german forum, and the people were very nice for the most part. But several scheisskopfs kinda ruined it for me.

This is a great place to talk to people from around the world, AND improve your english skills.

On topic: When was the last time non-wartime situation where 3000 people got killed in 20 seconds?

THAT'S why this was big news.
 
Hey, calm down fellas. No one has a corner on sympathy. The same thing almost happened in Europe, though on a smaller scale. About a year before the World Trade Center attack French authorities stumbled upon a plot to hijack a passenger plane and fly it into the Eiffel Tower. Currently the Germans are trying 4 suspects who were caught fairly red handed plotting to blow up Notre Dame Cathedral in Strasbourg. We're all in this together.

Philippe wrote:

every day 40000 die of hunger.

That number is way too inflated, though the point is well taken. The problem is that there is no such thing as natural starvation on any wide scale any more. The planet's food production is more than sufficient to feed everyone many times over, plus some - even locally. There is no region of the planet that is incapable of producing enough food currently to keep its population well-fed. The problem: politics. There are several famines in the world right now, and every one of them is caused by bad politics - corrupt regimes or civil wars where either the food supply chain has broken down or was intentionally sabotaged, using food as a weapon. Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia, Congo, Angola, Sierra Leone, etc.; all are famines caused exclueively by bad politics. Having aid agencies send food is great and necessary for the short term, but a wasted effort if the long term problem - greedy dictators and warlords - aren't dealt with.

Sodak wrote:

Vrylakas, your tales of eastern europe remind me - I was in Holland when Yugoslavia fell into war. I met a young Croatian man that morning. He was just sitting on a bench, staring into space. When prompted, he responded "I woke up this morning to find out my country is in a civil war." He was away for a week vacation, but had no idea when he would be able to return to find his family. Not a pleasant position to be in...

It was amazing to us that this kind of thing could happen in Europe again. Just today the whole Dutch government resigned because of its idiotic handling of the Srebrenica affair.

My university city, Pécs, was very close to the Yugoslav/Croatian border, so we had lots of excitement. We had a few fly-overs by Yugoslav jets (I remember once the Hungarian jets scrambling to chase one, scaring the hell out of me as they ripped building-level across the city's downtown), an "accidental" bombing of a Hungarian village connected to Pécs on the Hungarian side of the border, Yugoslav mines showing up on the Hungarian side of the Drava River, airraid siren drills, etc. Pécs was flooded with about 80,000 Croat refugees after the Serbs conquered Vukovar and Vinkovci. A friend of mine had a Serb girl stay over at my place one night early on in the crisis and she had some pointed things to say about the situation (surprise, surprise), but by the next year local feeling was so against the Serbs that I probably wouldn't have been able to have her over. Local shops started having their signs in both Hungarian and Serbo-Croat because of all the refugees.

BTW, the Gulf War came at a sensitive time for Hungarians and the government - not quite used to the political re-alignment in Europe - was very meek when asked about how Hungary might be involved in the war. A national newspaper printed a hilarious front page showing a map of the flight path that American warplanes took flying from their bases in Germany to Turkey, obviously through Central Europe and the Balkans. below the map was the official vague printed statement from the government, and on the map they'd shown wide red & blue streaked arrows flying out of Germany across Austria to the Hungarian border, where the arrows abruptly stopped - continuing suddenly on the other side of Hungary on towards Turkey....:lol:

I love good biting humor...
 
Originally posted by Flatlander Fox

rmsharpe: And you get angry when Europeans make fun of Americans for sounding stupid. Well, your reply above doesn't do much good dispelling that thought does it? Don't use racial slurs!

Boo-hoo!

You don't like what I've got to say? T.S.
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe


Boo-hoo!

You don't like what I've got to say? T.S.

Don't forget that with your right to free speech (If a Mod allows it) comes the responsibility to use it in a wise and judicious manner.

You are capable of better. :(
 
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