Would you support Texas in its secession?

[Mad Man]

because I don't fell like reading through 9 pages of crap would Texas get any outside assistance from China or something, also will the Texans liberate my homeland from the evil federals if I join?

 

[MobBoss]

The War of Southern Aggression freed 3.5 million people from slavery. The deaths of our soldiers were not for nothing.

Which is why we shouldnt pay anyone reparations for slavery. We already paid...in blood.

 

[Hygro]

Berzerker gets two thumbs up from me for being quite well read about the Civil War. It's refreshing to see someone so informed (my father is a HUGE Civil War buff, I've grown up hearing all of that)

People, please don't believe the politically correct version of the Civil War they teach you in school. Unless you get an excellent teacher who's willing to go above and beyond the curriculum, you're gonna get a skewed and ultimately false teaching of it's causes.

Let me get this straight, he's right because he agrees with you? I guess that makes McPhearson and Litwack big idiots.

 

[Berzerker]

600,000 dead and millions maimed because the south declared independence, then ATTACKED the North.

The North wasn't attacked, a few federal installations in the South were taken. The North invaded and thats why 600,000 people died...

He copy and pasted that.

and linked it

The War of Southern Aggression freed 3.5 million people from slavery. The deaths of our soldiers were not for nothing.

My morality does not allow for me to have 600,000 people killed with millions more maimed to free 3.5 million people from slavery. Does yours? Then you agree with Cutlass...

 

[Masada]

The North wasn't attacked, a few federal installations in the South were taken. The North invaded and thats why 600,000 people died...

Assume for a moment that the Confederacy was actually a lawfully constituted government. Now imagine this situation: lawfully constituted government A, attacks lawfully constituted government Bs installations. Now what should A expect from B? A freaking back-slap, of course not, that's grounds for war.

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I could do with some evening television viewing now that Iraq and Afghanistan have fallen of the radar, Texas could fill that.

 

[REDY]

Our teacher said that northerners needed blacks in its factories, thats why they were againist slavery in agricultural south.

 

[Berzerker]

Assume for a moment that the Confederacy was actually a lawfully constituted government. Now imagine this situation: lawfully constituted government A, attacks lawfully constituted government Bs installations. Now what should A expect from B? A freaking back-slap, of course not, that's grounds for war.

That was in Lincoln's hands, but he refused to order the federal troops home. He should have, he might have saved the Union without shedding a drop of blood. Several states seceded only after the Feds responded like ill tempered tyrants...

from your link

The South sent delegations to Washington D.C. and offered to pay for the federal properties and enter into a peace treaty with the United States. Lincoln rejected any negotiations

 

[Harbringer]

This an extra especial predicament for me becuase my brother is stationed in Texas

 

[Masada]

That was in Lincoln's hands, but he refused to order the federal troops home. He should have, he might have saved the Union without shedding a drop of blood. Several states seceded only after the Feds responded like ill tempered tyrants...

Why should he have ordered the Unions troops home? I can see no reason for Union troops and property to pose a threat to the soon-to-be Confederacy unless it already had its mind up to cede; and fulfilling those wishes would have led to a quicker cessation and earlier civil war. The Union was not going to survive when one side already had its mind made up to break it; and that party was most assuredly not the Federal government.

The South sent delegations to Washington D.C. and offered to pay for the federal properties and enter into a peace treaty with the United States. Lincoln rejected any negotiations

What right did the south have to expropriate Federal property; with the elephant in the room, the promise of force casting a dark shadow over its "offers"? And what gave it the right to negotiate a peace treaty with its own Federal Government, unless it was already at war?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

edit: killed my post because:

Please take your crappy what-caused-the-civil-war arguments out of my thread, please. It is off topic from my hypothetical scenario. You can start a new thread if you want.

 

[Masada]

I didn't start it: I finished it!

I could do with some evening television viewing now that Iraq and Afghanistan have fallen of the radar, Texas could fill that.

I totally agree, a war between two western English-speaking nations will improve my television viewing immensely. I can totally see Federal troops doing a lil' rapine and pillage in the Confederacies heartlands for the adoring audience at home and abroad. The visceral nature of warfare will become just that little bit more poignant, when the opposition doesn't have voice-overs by some generic American accented translator and is instead expected to speak English to the cameras!

 

[alcal]

A Big fact NO! Texas will be seeing the American Military if it ever thought of seceding from the union!

You yankes are very good to take others' freedom, don't you?

 

[Masada]

You yankes are very good to take others' freedom, don't you?

The irony is delicious.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I totally agree, a war between two western English-speaking nations will improve my television viewing immensely. I can totally see Federal troops doing a lil' rapine and pillage in the Confederacies heartlands for the adoring audience at home and abroad. The visceral nature of warfare will become just that little bit more poignant, when the opposition doesn't have voice-overs by some generic American accented translator and is instead expected to speak English to the cameras!

I want live feeds from embedded reporters on both sides!

Remark on last post; Yes, yes it sure is

Last remark: Mises.org is a steaming pile of cowdung.

 

[Masada]

I want live feeds from embedded reporters on both sides!

I demand some obligatory war-crimes. I wanna see some show trials in the aftermath. I'd also like to see Amnesty International people being caught in the crossfire, that would be worth its weight in gold! (The crime would be missing em').

 

[alcal]

The irony is delicious.

The truth hurts.

 

[Masada]

The truth hurts.

The delicious irony continues unabated.

 

[alcal]

The delicious irony continues unabated.

Do you consider spamming as intelligent?

 

[Masada]

Do you consider spamming as intelligent?

The subtext of the conversation is a journey in the ironic and the absurd. I can't be the only person wondering if it was your intent to sustain the notion or if it was purely coincidental in which case I must apologize - innocence of babes and cruelty unbecoming; and all that. In any case, it was scarcely spam, entirely serious and with a clear purpose - for those so inclined to look past their collective noses.

 

[Phlegmak]

Our teacher said that northerners needed blacks in its factories, thats why they were againist slavery in agricultural south.

Ha! Hadn't heard that one before.