WW2-Global
- Thread starter Rocoteh
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Sasebo
Prince
I assume you were reading one of my posts about naval losses in my Japan game P.S.Y.C.H.O.... A CDS is a coastal defense ship;it is what some of the neutral coutries like Greece and Thailand have at the start. It is a 25(10)- 30 -3 size ship unit. Slow but tough. If I could build them I would. 
Rubberjello
Emperor
Mussolini of the Italians. Ver-1.3 Diety level.
The game took 20 minutes to initialize on a mid-high level machine. The goal is to build up a powerful defensive force to hold off the inevitable Soviet onslaught whenever the Axis triggers a war with them. Offensive goals is to eventually take all of Africa, and help out the Germans wherever possible.
Starting forces (diverse sprinkling of Conscript, Regular, and Veteran
10 Cavalry (6.2.2)
6 Motorized Inf. (12.6.2)
20 Artillery (0.18.1.1)
3 Transports(1.2.5)
109 Submarines(18.7.4)
127 Destroyers(11.9.8)
4 Battleships (60.16.53.5
12 Light Cruisers (20.16.6)
7 Heavy Cruisers (26.14.21.5)
8 CR-52 Fighters(4.4.1)
8 SM-79 Bombers (0.8.2.1)
80 Infantry (5.8.1)
11 M 11/39 Tanks (12.6.2)
3 Breda Dive Bombers (0.18.2.1)
1 Fiat Bomber (0.16.2.1)
1 Fiat G50 Figher/Bomber (5.4.5.1)
7 Flak (1.3.1.(4aa))
35 Garrisons (1.10.0)
14 Fortress Infantry (0.15.0)
Week 36
Sign ROP+Dyes for Wines, Incense and a small amount of gold with Germany. Gems to Russia for Coal and 335 Gold. Set min. research on Land/Air 1940. Am going to rely on steals for most research. Against France:
Sink 9 Subs and 10 Destroyers off Corsica. 2 Destroyers lost. Sink 1 Cl, 5 Subs, and 5 Destroyers off Sicily. 1 Destroyer and 2 Subs lost.
Sicily & Sardinia have no harbors? Strange...
Bombarded the French border and killed 1 Fortress Division. Mostly settled in to see what the AI will do in the next turn In East Africa, bombarded and captured Djibout (French), losing 1 conscript Cav.
IBT
Turkey declared war on Greece (I actually saw their destroyer run into a Greek sub- "Sub Bug") Spain declared war on the Germans (Sub-bug)
France gets aggressive both against Germany and Italy. Lose 3 garrisons in the Alps and killed 2 French 2 tanks and 3 Cavs. Observed a whole lot of fighting going on around Stuttgart. The best news is that hiding in port (although it has its dangers) worked out, as Milan and Sardinia was pounded by the French Air Force. 11 of 17 bombers were shot down by the AA on the Destroyers.
The French Navy moved out of Marsailles toward North Africa. The English Navy moved out of Malta towards Egypt, but they led with their Aircraft Carrier, which ran into a lone Italian sub and was sunk!
I hope it had some planes aboard. Tobruk Coastal Fortress took a chunk out of the Brits fleet as they rolled endlessly by. (Sub was sunk by a Brit Destroyer)
Week 37
Lost 1 sub, but sank the British Cruiser Cornwall off of East Africa. British stack of 22 subs off of Tobruk is attacked. All 22 are sunk with 6 Italian Destroyers lost and plenty of promotions. Near Sardinia, we catch and destroy the escaping French fleet. 1 Cruiser, 2 Light Cruisers, and 22 Submarines were sent to the deep by the Italians, while we lost 3 Subs and 4 Destroyers. Bombard and invade Corsica with Infantry. Lose 1 Infantry and raze Corsica to provide more room for Rome and Milan Vast majority of ground forces are just sitting fortified, as I'm waiting for Germany and France to beat each other senseless first before invading. Bombard and kill off 2 French Cavs that invaded near Tripoli.
IBT
Big sea battles in the Med between the age-old enemies of Greece and Turkey. ;-) Norway/Denmark declare war on the Germans. No French air attacks this turn. Instead, both the French and British pound Stuttgart.
Lots of French naval activity though, as their big ships leave Marsaille and head for open waters. We lose 2 Destroyers, and sink 1 Destroyer near Albania. The Yugoslavian Sub fleet was good enough to be in the way of a French Destroyer fleet, and they killed at least 8 while 5 subs were sunk.
The British Med fleet heads *BACK* to Malta, while their Capitol ships pound the snot out of poor Tobruk. The Germans finally capture Lodz (Poland). They also capture Brussels and Copenhagen.
Week 38
Time for *Big* ship fights near Sardinia! The BB Dai Dulio sinks the French BB Repulse?? and promotes. The CA Gorizia sinks the French CA Dugeine and promotes. The CA Fiume sinks the French CA Foch. The Ca Sara sinks the French CA Tourville. Lost 2 subs softening up the next two targets:
The BB Andria Dorai sinks the French BB Bretagne. The BB ConteDi Cavour sinks the French BB Lorraine. Sink an additional 2 wounded French Destroyers and a Light Cruiser while losing a Light Cruiser. I kill three French Tanks in the Alps and finally make my push towards Marseille. (big stack of infantry and tanks.) Started shipping reinforcements to Africa. The Transports are always going to end turn in ports with at least 15 Destroyers for covering fire.
IBT
French trigger a war against the Turks by running into their sub. They bombard my stack near Marsielles with 6 plane runs. Kill two attacking French destroyers on a decoy/lure destroyer stack near Lecce. Fight off 3 French tank attacks near Marseille, killing two. Germans finish off the Polish. Brussels taken by the French. Lots of fighting around Stuttgart.
Week 39
Sink the British Carrier Ark Royal with at least 3 planes on board (they strafed Sicily last turn), and two escorting Destroyers. Sank 4 British Light Cruisers and 7 Destroyers near Tobruk. 3 Subs & 3 Destroyers lost. A British Battle group of 3 Cruisers (Devonshire, London, and Sharpshire), and the BB Ramilles are softened up first (6 Subs lost) then they are sunk with 4 more subs (I was going to take them out with Cruisers, but it still might not be safe to leave a stack out in the open yet. I expect to lose those 4 subs during the interturn.)
Hardly any French ships left in the Med. In a very costly battle for Marseille, Italy loses 3 Armored Divisions, and 1 Motorized Infantry. 5 more armored successfully retreated.
There was at least 7 French Infantry in the city. There is no way Italy can take the city until Germany attritions off more of France's strength.
I sure hope Italy gets some stronger armor later on in the game, or else this is going to be a long, difficult slog. Time to go with plan "B" and be aggressive in Africa.
In short....Italian Navy rocks! Italian Army sucks...
IBT
Lost those 4 subs near Malta to British Destroyers. Shoot down 5 of 9 French bombers attacking my stack of Infantry near Marseilles. (Two Mobile Flak)
Brussels returns to German hands. At least all my efforts in the South should be a major distraction for France so that the Germans
may be able to take them down faster.
Week 40.
Use 4 Light Cruisors to take out an English convoy of 3 Destroyers and a Transport near Sardinia. Next, the British Battleship group of the Malaya, the Warspite, and the Barham are targeted near Malta, along with 2 destroyers. It costs me 12 Subs, but the lot are sunk. The Italians are the dominant Naval Power int he Med. now (I think!) Setting up an attack on El Alamein and healing from the Marseilles fiasco...
IBT
Brussels falls to the French again and is recaptured by the Germans. From a purely Italian point of view, you don't need to make the French any stronger!
The British bring in reinforcements from the Atlantic, as 3 Carrier groups hove into view near Sardinia. Japan seems to be making absolutely zero headway against China. Flak shot down 3 British bombers in France, and one in El-Alamein.
Week 41.
There seems to be no French Air Force left, as both the Italians and Germany seem to be bombing France at will with no interceptors. Sink 3 British destroyers near Suez, but lose a Sub. Sink 3 Carriers, 2 Destroyers, and a Light Cruiser near Sardinia, and lost 2 subs and a Destroyer.
I pound the snot out of Marseille with every air force unit and ship capable of bombardment. At least 7 red-lined infantry in there.
IBT
The US shows up in the Med with a Carrier task force, and their planes have an amazing skill at eluding the massed flak of destroyers in various harbors.
Week 42.
I spot the US task force just south of Spain - Carrier, Cruiser, and 2 Destroyers (and at least 4 planes on board.)
This will be remembered as "Il Duce" Week, as the Italian land forces experience their first major victories of the war. El Alamein is captured after some bombardment from 1 MG and 4 infantry units (1 Armored and 4 Infantry units were lost). Marseilles was finally captured and razed (to make room for Milan's boundaries) from 9 red-lined French Infantry, with the loss of 3 Infantry and 1 Armored units. At sea: 8 British Destroyers were sunk near Sicily at the cost of 3 Subs. The American Carrier group was sunk at the cost of 3 subs and 1 Destroyer.
IBT Germany finally managed to hold onto Brussels. Not much action against the Italians. A stupid Spanish destroyer ran into a sub I had left out for a lure for the British, and Spain declared war on me. That's OK...they were next on "The List" anyways.
Week 43.
Healing turn. Killed 3 British destroyers. Most of my nearly useless Light Cruisers are now Elite (at least).
IBT
2 French tanks come from Damascus? and nail two of my defending Infantry at El Alamein.
Week 44.
Bombed & Bombarded, then captured Bordeaux, killing 7 Infantry, 1 Artillery, and at least 1 light Cruiser in the harbor. Lost 2 Armored Divisions and 2 Infantry.
The French don't seem too happy to see us, as 7 out of 7 citizens are in resistance. All the major production buildings are still intact, which is very important for the industrial-starved Italians. The Med. is free of enemy ships! (maybe there are some hanging around Gibralter...we'll get to those...eventually! Bombarded Cairo, but there is a buttload of troops there.
IBT
Most welcome news! The Allies declare war on Russia! Woohoo! Probably part of the Pacific fleet stumbled over a Russian Sub in the North Pacific. The French are on their last gasp on the continent, as only one Tank unit counterattack us and killed an Infantry.
Week 45
Some more British ships wander in. I sink 3 Light Cruisers and 7 Destroyers with a loss of 3 Destroyers. Bombard and capture Lyons with a loss of 2 Armored units. That's it for my French war on the mainland. My so-called "Allies" - the Germans - should eventually take the other two cities.
I got what I wanted (good land - breathing room).
IBT Norway/Denmark makes Peace with the Axis. 2 more French tanks attack El Alamein and kill two more infantry.
You would think the Soviets would be keeping them busy by now... Paris FALLS TO THE GERMANS! Woohoo!
The game took 20 minutes to initialize on a mid-high level machine. The goal is to build up a powerful defensive force to hold off the inevitable Soviet onslaught whenever the Axis triggers a war with them. Offensive goals is to eventually take all of Africa, and help out the Germans wherever possible.
Starting forces (diverse sprinkling of Conscript, Regular, and Veteran
10 Cavalry (6.2.2)
6 Motorized Inf. (12.6.2)
20 Artillery (0.18.1.1)
3 Transports(1.2.5)
109 Submarines(18.7.4)
127 Destroyers(11.9.8)
4 Battleships (60.16.53.5
12 Light Cruisers (20.16.6)
7 Heavy Cruisers (26.14.21.5)
8 CR-52 Fighters(4.4.1)
8 SM-79 Bombers (0.8.2.1)
80 Infantry (5.8.1)
11 M 11/39 Tanks (12.6.2)
3 Breda Dive Bombers (0.18.2.1)
1 Fiat Bomber (0.16.2.1)
1 Fiat G50 Figher/Bomber (5.4.5.1)
7 Flak (1.3.1.(4aa))
35 Garrisons (1.10.0)
14 Fortress Infantry (0.15.0)
Week 36
Sign ROP+Dyes for Wines, Incense and a small amount of gold with Germany. Gems to Russia for Coal and 335 Gold. Set min. research on Land/Air 1940. Am going to rely on steals for most research. Against France:
Sink 9 Subs and 10 Destroyers off Corsica. 2 Destroyers lost. Sink 1 Cl, 5 Subs, and 5 Destroyers off Sicily. 1 Destroyer and 2 Subs lost.
Sicily & Sardinia have no harbors? Strange...
Bombarded the French border and killed 1 Fortress Division. Mostly settled in to see what the AI will do in the next turn In East Africa, bombarded and captured Djibout (French), losing 1 conscript Cav.
IBT
Turkey declared war on Greece (I actually saw their destroyer run into a Greek sub- "Sub Bug") Spain declared war on the Germans (Sub-bug)
France gets aggressive both against Germany and Italy. Lose 3 garrisons in the Alps and killed 2 French 2 tanks and 3 Cavs. Observed a whole lot of fighting going on around Stuttgart. The best news is that hiding in port (although it has its dangers) worked out, as Milan and Sardinia was pounded by the French Air Force. 11 of 17 bombers were shot down by the AA on the Destroyers.
The French Navy moved out of Marsailles toward North Africa. The English Navy moved out of Malta towards Egypt, but they led with their Aircraft Carrier, which ran into a lone Italian sub and was sunk!
I hope it had some planes aboard. Tobruk Coastal Fortress took a chunk out of the Brits fleet as they rolled endlessly by. (Sub was sunk by a Brit Destroyer)Week 37
Lost 1 sub, but sank the British Cruiser Cornwall off of East Africa. British stack of 22 subs off of Tobruk is attacked. All 22 are sunk with 6 Italian Destroyers lost and plenty of promotions. Near Sardinia, we catch and destroy the escaping French fleet. 1 Cruiser, 2 Light Cruisers, and 22 Submarines were sent to the deep by the Italians, while we lost 3 Subs and 4 Destroyers. Bombard and invade Corsica with Infantry. Lose 1 Infantry and raze Corsica to provide more room for Rome and Milan Vast majority of ground forces are just sitting fortified, as I'm waiting for Germany and France to beat each other senseless first before invading. Bombard and kill off 2 French Cavs that invaded near Tripoli.
IBT
Big sea battles in the Med between the age-old enemies of Greece and Turkey. ;-) Norway/Denmark declare war on the Germans. No French air attacks this turn. Instead, both the French and British pound Stuttgart.
Lots of French naval activity though, as their big ships leave Marsaille and head for open waters. We lose 2 Destroyers, and sink 1 Destroyer near Albania. The Yugoslavian Sub fleet was good enough to be in the way of a French Destroyer fleet, and they killed at least 8 while 5 subs were sunk.
The British Med fleet heads *BACK* to Malta, while their Capitol ships pound the snot out of poor Tobruk. The Germans finally capture Lodz (Poland). They also capture Brussels and Copenhagen.
Week 38
Time for *Big* ship fights near Sardinia! The BB Dai Dulio sinks the French BB Repulse?? and promotes. The CA Gorizia sinks the French CA Dugeine and promotes. The CA Fiume sinks the French CA Foch. The Ca Sara sinks the French CA Tourville. Lost 2 subs softening up the next two targets:
The BB Andria Dorai sinks the French BB Bretagne. The BB ConteDi Cavour sinks the French BB Lorraine. Sink an additional 2 wounded French Destroyers and a Light Cruiser while losing a Light Cruiser. I kill three French Tanks in the Alps and finally make my push towards Marseille. (big stack of infantry and tanks.) Started shipping reinforcements to Africa. The Transports are always going to end turn in ports with at least 15 Destroyers for covering fire.
IBT
French trigger a war against the Turks by running into their sub. They bombard my stack near Marsielles with 6 plane runs. Kill two attacking French destroyers on a decoy/lure destroyer stack near Lecce. Fight off 3 French tank attacks near Marseille, killing two. Germans finish off the Polish. Brussels taken by the French. Lots of fighting around Stuttgart.
Week 39
Sink the British Carrier Ark Royal with at least 3 planes on board (they strafed Sicily last turn), and two escorting Destroyers. Sank 4 British Light Cruisers and 7 Destroyers near Tobruk. 3 Subs & 3 Destroyers lost. A British Battle group of 3 Cruisers (Devonshire, London, and Sharpshire), and the BB Ramilles are softened up first (6 Subs lost) then they are sunk with 4 more subs (I was going to take them out with Cruisers, but it still might not be safe to leave a stack out in the open yet. I expect to lose those 4 subs during the interturn.)
Hardly any French ships left in the Med. In a very costly battle for Marseille, Italy loses 3 Armored Divisions, and 1 Motorized Infantry. 5 more armored successfully retreated.
There was at least 7 French Infantry in the city. There is no way Italy can take the city until Germany attritions off more of France's strength.
I sure hope Italy gets some stronger armor later on in the game, or else this is going to be a long, difficult slog. Time to go with plan "B" and be aggressive in Africa.
In short....Italian Navy rocks! Italian Army sucks...
IBT
Lost those 4 subs near Malta to British Destroyers. Shoot down 5 of 9 French bombers attacking my stack of Infantry near Marseilles. (Two Mobile Flak)
Brussels returns to German hands. At least all my efforts in the South should be a major distraction for France so that the Germans
may be able to take them down faster.
Week 40.
Use 4 Light Cruisors to take out an English convoy of 3 Destroyers and a Transport near Sardinia. Next, the British Battleship group of the Malaya, the Warspite, and the Barham are targeted near Malta, along with 2 destroyers. It costs me 12 Subs, but the lot are sunk. The Italians are the dominant Naval Power int he Med. now (I think!) Setting up an attack on El Alamein and healing from the Marseilles fiasco...
IBT
Brussels falls to the French again and is recaptured by the Germans. From a purely Italian point of view, you don't need to make the French any stronger!
The British bring in reinforcements from the Atlantic, as 3 Carrier groups hove into view near Sardinia. Japan seems to be making absolutely zero headway against China. Flak shot down 3 British bombers in France, and one in El-Alamein.
Week 41.
There seems to be no French Air Force left, as both the Italians and Germany seem to be bombing France at will with no interceptors. Sink 3 British destroyers near Suez, but lose a Sub. Sink 3 Carriers, 2 Destroyers, and a Light Cruiser near Sardinia, and lost 2 subs and a Destroyer.
I pound the snot out of Marseille with every air force unit and ship capable of bombardment. At least 7 red-lined infantry in there.
IBT
The US shows up in the Med with a Carrier task force, and their planes have an amazing skill at eluding the massed flak of destroyers in various harbors.
Week 42.
I spot the US task force just south of Spain - Carrier, Cruiser, and 2 Destroyers (and at least 4 planes on board.)
This will be remembered as "Il Duce" Week, as the Italian land forces experience their first major victories of the war. El Alamein is captured after some bombardment from 1 MG and 4 infantry units (1 Armored and 4 Infantry units were lost). Marseilles was finally captured and razed (to make room for Milan's boundaries) from 9 red-lined French Infantry, with the loss of 3 Infantry and 1 Armored units. At sea: 8 British Destroyers were sunk near Sicily at the cost of 3 Subs. The American Carrier group was sunk at the cost of 3 subs and 1 Destroyer.
IBT Germany finally managed to hold onto Brussels. Not much action against the Italians. A stupid Spanish destroyer ran into a sub I had left out for a lure for the British, and Spain declared war on me. That's OK...they were next on "The List" anyways.
Week 43.
Healing turn. Killed 3 British destroyers. Most of my nearly useless Light Cruisers are now Elite (at least).
IBT
2 French tanks come from Damascus? and nail two of my defending Infantry at El Alamein.
Week 44.
Bombed & Bombarded, then captured Bordeaux, killing 7 Infantry, 1 Artillery, and at least 1 light Cruiser in the harbor. Lost 2 Armored Divisions and 2 Infantry.
The French don't seem too happy to see us, as 7 out of 7 citizens are in resistance. All the major production buildings are still intact, which is very important for the industrial-starved Italians. The Med. is free of enemy ships! (maybe there are some hanging around Gibralter...we'll get to those...eventually! Bombarded Cairo, but there is a buttload of troops there.
IBT
Most welcome news! The Allies declare war on Russia! Woohoo! Probably part of the Pacific fleet stumbled over a Russian Sub in the North Pacific. The French are on their last gasp on the continent, as only one Tank unit counterattack us and killed an Infantry.
Week 45
Some more British ships wander in. I sink 3 Light Cruisers and 7 Destroyers with a loss of 3 Destroyers. Bombard and capture Lyons with a loss of 2 Armored units. That's it for my French war on the mainland. My so-called "Allies" - the Germans - should eventually take the other two cities.
I got what I wanted (good land - breathing room).
IBT Norway/Denmark makes Peace with the Axis. 2 more French tanks attack El Alamein and kill two more infantry.
You would think the Soviets would be keeping them busy by now... Paris FALLS TO THE GERMANS! Woohoo!
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Thunderfall said:
Thunderfall;
Is it possible to do following things:
1. Threads over 1100 posts are closed.
2. A new thread is opened containing the first posts with the downloads, infos, etc. Also the last 100 posts are cutted off from the old thread and are transferred into a new one.
3. On the first post there is a link on the old thread(s).
4. These archiving threads are not allowed to be deleted.
I think with that result we can live.
Or is there anything which is not okay, Rocoteh, Sarevok?
Adler
P.S.Y.C.H.O. said:
P.S.Y.C.H.O.,
Thank you for the positive words. Since the limit have been
changed to 3 000 I will stay.
My basic position remains unchanged though:
When a thread reach 3 000 posts there must be a technical
solution so that the new thread starts with post 3 001 and the
counting of views shall also continue unbroken.
With regard to CDS:
Edit: I see that Sasebo have answered the question.
Rocoteh
Adler17 said:
Adler,
Since the limit have been changed to 3 000 I see no
reason why it should be lower again.
I also think that threads where no one have posted for more
than a year can be moved to archive if space is a problem.
Note that some weeks ago a moderator banned a new member
because he had "bumped" such a thread.
If bumping of such threads results in moderators moving in and banning
it seems to be somewhat unlogic that the threads still are open!
OK back to business then.
Rocoteh
Bob1475,
Thank you for the report.
"wk 9 - Hammerfest razed" Bob1475
By AI?
"wk 26 Chelyabinsk, Izhma and Alma Alta. At last we will get some recruits of Russian infantry to perform MP service and free up more German infantry for the front!
wk 27 Lepsink
wk 28 Aktavskoe
wk 29 Obodorsk" Bob1475
On Russian infanty: Not so unrealistic after all!
It seems like when Soviet defence is broken it will collapse fast.
"wk 37 Vorogovo
Japan signs peace with Russia - just as well because the British are starting to beat back the Japanese. I need to relieve them." Bob1475
Is Japan the power AI mismanage most, or is any other power?
"wk 4 - Surprise! British cross the channel and land 8 Armor units between Amsterdam and Brussels" Bob1475
Agree. Really a surprise!
"wk 10 Quetta - British Air is quite strong but as usual AI not too smart about it. They should be attacking the road/rail network but instead pound the cities." Bob1475
Yes its a great weakness AI has.
Overall your strategic situation is very good.
Welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"wk 9 - Hammerfest razed" Bob1475
By AI?
"wk 26 Chelyabinsk, Izhma and Alma Alta. At last we will get some recruits of Russian infantry to perform MP service and free up more German infantry for the front!
wk 27 Lepsink
wk 28 Aktavskoe
wk 29 Obodorsk" Bob1475
On Russian infanty: Not so unrealistic after all!
It seems like when Soviet defence is broken it will collapse fast.
"wk 37 Vorogovo
Japan signs peace with Russia - just as well because the British are starting to beat back the Japanese. I need to relieve them." Bob1475
Is Japan the power AI mismanage most, or is any other power?
"wk 4 - Surprise! British cross the channel and land 8 Armor units between Amsterdam and Brussels" Bob1475
Agree. Really a surprise!
"wk 10 Quetta - British Air is quite strong but as usual AI not too smart about it. They should be attacking the road/rail network but instead pound the cities." Bob1475
Yes its a great weakness AI has.
Overall your strategic situation is very good.
Welcome back.
Rocoteh
eric_A said:
Eric,
Yes I agree that the stats I presented must be adjusted with
regard to WW2. The reason to why I mentioned these stats was
that serious stats on costs for WW1 and WW2 weapon-systems are
not easy to find.
One can note with regard to Warrior and the other last armored cruisers
build that they were extremely low cost-effective.
Rocoteh
More comments later.
Rubberjello,
Thank you for the report.
"The goal is to build up a powerful defensive force to hold off the inevitable Soviet onslaught whenever the Axis triggers a war with them. Offensive goals is to eventually take all of Africa, and help out the Germans wherever possible." Rubberjello
It sounds like a very good strategy.
"Turkey declared war on Greece (I actually saw their destroyer run into a Greek sub- "Sub Bug") Spain declared war on the Germans (Sub-bug)"
"Rubberjello.
This is no doubt a problem.
"The Germans finally capture Lodz (Poland). They also capture Brussels and Copenhagen." Rubberjello.
Lodz have been removed in version 1.4. The reason is that its
impossible to save it from starvation.
"The BB Dai Dulio sinks the French BB Repulse??" Rubberjello
British.
"Week 39
Sink the British Carrier Ark Royal with at least 3 planes on board (they strafed Sicily last turn), and two escorting Destroyers. " Rubberjello
Poor escort by AI.
"Next, the British Battleship group of the Malaya, the Warspite, and the Barham are targeted near Malta, along with 2 destroyers. It costs me 12 Subs, but the lot are sunk" Rubberjello
A good exchange in my opinion.
"Week 44.
Bombed & Bombarded, then captured Bordeaux, killing 7 Infantry, 1 Artillery, and at least 1 light Cruiser in the harbor. Lost 2 Armored Divisions and 2 Infantry.
The French don't seem too happy to see us, as 7 out of 7 citizens are in resistance. All the major production buildings are still intact, which is very important for the industrial-starved Italians. The Med. is free of enemy ships! (maybe there are some hanging around Gibralter...we'll get to those...eventually! Bombarded Cairo, but there is a buttload of troops there."
Rubberjello
Overall your situation seems to be very good.
I am looking forward to follow this.
Welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"The goal is to build up a powerful defensive force to hold off the inevitable Soviet onslaught whenever the Axis triggers a war with them. Offensive goals is to eventually take all of Africa, and help out the Germans wherever possible." Rubberjello
It sounds like a very good strategy.
"Turkey declared war on Greece (I actually saw their destroyer run into a Greek sub- "Sub Bug") Spain declared war on the Germans (Sub-bug)"
"Rubberjello.
This is no doubt a problem.
"The Germans finally capture Lodz (Poland). They also capture Brussels and Copenhagen." Rubberjello.
Lodz have been removed in version 1.4. The reason is that its
impossible to save it from starvation.
"The BB Dai Dulio sinks the French BB Repulse??" Rubberjello
British.
"Week 39
Sink the British Carrier Ark Royal with at least 3 planes on board (they strafed Sicily last turn), and two escorting Destroyers. " Rubberjello
Poor escort by AI.
"Next, the British Battleship group of the Malaya, the Warspite, and the Barham are targeted near Malta, along with 2 destroyers. It costs me 12 Subs, but the lot are sunk" Rubberjello
A good exchange in my opinion.
"Week 44.
Bombed & Bombarded, then captured Bordeaux, killing 7 Infantry, 1 Artillery, and at least 1 light Cruiser in the harbor. Lost 2 Armored Divisions and 2 Infantry.
The French don't seem too happy to see us, as 7 out of 7 citizens are in resistance. All the major production buildings are still intact, which is very important for the industrial-starved Italians. The Med. is free of enemy ships! (maybe there are some hanging around Gibralter...we'll get to those...eventually! Bombarded Cairo, but there is a buttload of troops there."
Rubberjello
Overall your situation seems to be very good.
I am looking forward to follow this.
Welcome back.
Rocoteh
Rocoteh said:
It's a real pity that long thread are going to be "shut down" to improve performance.
Mine is going to hit 6000 posts, and it's a pity to see it going down in lower pages, replaced by a new one, stripped of all its posts and number of views.
Don't you think that closed threads with more than 3000 posts should be made sticky?
Rhye said:
Rhye,
Yes I support that idea 100%!
Your contribution to CIV3 have had a huge positive impact.
I hard for me to see why such a very important contribution
should have the result that your thread is closed!
Again: Your idea have my full support.
Rocoteh
can you ask it to Thunderfall? (my PM box is full and I can't do it myself)
thanks
thanks
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Weel 12:
Khashgar taken from the Soviets.
U 87 sinks US DD in the North West Passage. U 91 does the very same.
Took Damascus.
PC turn:
Argentina is at war with Brazil. A US Elite DD is sunk undamaged by U 115. In the North West Passage I lose 2 Uboats for the price of 1 US DD. The Russian fleet arrives at Murmansk I failed to destroy them (1 DD + 1 TR).
Adler
Khashgar taken from the Soviets.
U 87 sinks US DD in the North West Passage. U 91 does the very same.
Took Damascus.
PC turn:
Argentina is at war with Brazil. A US Elite DD is sunk undamaged by U 115. In the North West Passage I lose 2 Uboats for the price of 1 US DD. The Russian fleet arrives at Murmansk I failed to destroy them (1 DD + 1 TR).
Adler
I'm glad to hear you're staying Rocoteh!
Sasebo: Ofcourse, the Coastal Defense Ships... I forgot about them...
In the scenario Sweden has 7 CDS's (i think you should rename them Armoured Ships since all the Swedish CDS's were Armoured Ships [Pansarskepp in Swedish], not CDS's)... Sverige, Gustav V, Drottning Victoria, Oscar II, Manligheten, Tapperheten and Äran... I'm not sure if the last four were around at the time of WW2 though...
I think you should give Sweden some airplanes too... In 1945 the Swedish Airforce (Flygvapnet) was the world's 3rd largest air force... Only the USAF and RAF were bigger...
Another interesting fact: One of the reasons the Germans didn't invade Sweden was because they feared the Swedish Navy...
Oh, BTW the Spanish BB, Jaime I, was sunk in 1937...
Sasebo: Ofcourse, the Coastal Defense Ships... I forgot about them...
In the scenario Sweden has 7 CDS's (i think you should rename them Armoured Ships since all the Swedish CDS's were Armoured Ships [Pansarskepp in Swedish], not CDS's)... Sverige, Gustav V, Drottning Victoria, Oscar II, Manligheten, Tapperheten and Äran... I'm not sure if the last four were around at the time of WW2 though...
I think you should give Sweden some airplanes too... In 1945 the Swedish Airforce (Flygvapnet) was the world's 3rd largest air force... Only the USAF and RAF were bigger...
Another interesting fact: One of the reasons the Germans didn't invade Sweden was because they feared the Swedish Navy...
Oh, BTW the Spanish BB, Jaime I, was sunk in 1937...
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Week 13:
Urumqi (or so) falls into my hands. Izhma is also mine. Khotan, too. A Russian plane over Novosibirsk fall victim to my bomber gunner. A Russian I 16 is destroyed on ground at Chelyabinsk by Stukas. Kem is taken but with the loss of an Elite infantry.
U 113 sinks off Murmansk the USS Winslow, a US elite DD.
In the Med I can take Cyprus.
In the North West Passage the US Gridley class DD (thanks to Task Force 1942 ) USS Helm, an Elite DD, is sunk by U 86. U 110 takes out USS Mc Call, which sunk U 91 last turn. Both boats takes no damage.
PC turn:
The French destroy one of my Elite motorized infantry divisions. The Soviet DD meets U 113 ,which has only one HP available. But the Soviet DD is history.
Adler
Urumqi (or so) falls into my hands. Izhma is also mine. Khotan, too. A Russian plane over Novosibirsk fall victim to my bomber gunner. A Russian I 16 is destroyed on ground at Chelyabinsk by Stukas. Kem is taken but with the loss of an Elite infantry.
U 113 sinks off Murmansk the USS Winslow, a US elite DD.
In the Med I can take Cyprus.
In the North West Passage the US Gridley class DD (thanks to Task Force 1942
) USS Helm, an Elite DD, is sunk by U 86. U 110 takes out USS Mc Call, which sunk U 91 last turn. Both boats takes no damage.PC turn:
The French destroy one of my Elite motorized infantry divisions. The Soviet DD meets U 113 ,which has only one HP available. But the Soviet DD is history.
Adler
Sasebo
Prince
Rocoteh said:
In the five games I've played(not all the same version though), I would say the following about AI handling of major powers:
Japan: Handles the mainland ground war pretty well. They eventually advance if the allies don't step in to help china. They do make small amphibious runs to the south;I've seen them take Sarmi & Fakfak. They need more incentive to swing that way though,they need the resources! They tend to lose islands and then parts of the home islands to the Americans sometime in 1940. Maybe victory point locations will help with this but not sure. They obviously don't handle the ocean battles to the east very well.
Germany: After you fixed the MRD issue they hold their own,there is no provision for getting them into a war with USSR though. They can move fairly well in France but almost never get into England at all early. Nor does it ever use amphibious to go after Norway. I think the U-boat pens you have set up work fine for giving the allied navies trouble though. They did quite well with them that I could see in my France game. Not sure how the AI does with Germany long term though,i.e. after they finish off mainland France.
Italy: They do one big amphibious invasion to take Cyprus and that is usually it.
Their navy usually does very well indeed! Italy and Germany both are quick to take out Yugoslavia, and sometimes Greece, but Greece gives them trouble. Libya holds out fairly well. East Africa usally sees a few cites razed( ),and maybe one or two taken. I've seen Italy do pretty well(razed/take about 8 cities), and do nothing at all down there(1-2 cities razed). Good balance I think, but the AI needs more incentive to attack; I am hopeful if you add Victory point locations that the AI is tempted to be more aggresive.USA: Handles their fleet & air fairly well,by 1940 they start taking Japan's island cities, and occasionally land in the home islands. Spends way too much time invading Chile and Brazil for stupid reasons. If the hidden nationality for subs works out this might be averted. US AI is terrible at landing troops far from North America but I have only gone into 1941 deep once; it does seem drawn to the Med. islands for some reason.
France: Usually holds out as long if not longer then historically. Holds onto Indochina and Pacific Island well, but if they are dumb and start war with Soviets Damscus burns. Djibouti seems to get razed almost every game I've played. That Central African city nearest the Italians that starts with no garrison(Banguio??) seems to get razed as well. Handles it's air and navy poorly but against other AI it works out evenly. Allied air in general is very aggressive. VERY!
China: Hard to say much here: they defend pretty well, but eventaully lose to the Japanese. They never make enough air defense,and usually don't have enough offense to take cities back once lost. Being tied into the allaince can be a problem when they declare war on the Soviets. Maybe you should switch their allaince to one with C.China alone?
UK: Does a lot of damage with it's huge fleet and air force, I can say that. never seems to land in Europe or Norway though. Didn't bring any TR so far to invade in the Pacific,but their air & navy out there really seem to know what they are doing. I've lost numerous units at the fringes and have several cities I can't keep units alive in because of incessant bomb/bombard, and they retreat when heavier ships approach! Makes it very precarious when your front line cities have no garrisons.
Their troop quality eventually catches up with the Italians in Africa. Overall good, but they are too quiet in ground fighting in Europe; they don't even go for Iceland when they are at war with Norway!USSR: Haven't played them myself yet, but they never seem to have any problems beating on people that's for sure. Even post-MRD fix they still overrun the Axis minors fairly easily. It can take out Turkey or Persia like nothing! For some reason it does not seem to get very aggressive in the Asian theatre though. It's offense usually aims south, or west. Have seen them build TR and try to attack USA! I have Vladivostok building a carrier right now and they have four fighters in the city ready to go with it, so they are not totally incompetant about navy. They escort really poorly though. They are still building the wrong troop mix.
I would say the biggest problem displayed is Japan AI's handling of the pacific. Without cities and a lot of bases it tends to just throw it's ships around like the US,and the US has a lot more to lose. They never make it to the US mainland, that's for sure. Other then some Phillipine Islands they never take US pacific cities. Other then that, it works pretty well. All the AI are incompetant, so it really feels like your actions are going to swing the war either way.
I like that!I would ask that you look over all of Adler17's excellent battle reports and note how overpowered the blitz is for the u-boats in the hands of a human. When it is AI on both sides it is much better balanced but a human just uses them too well. No way should an 80 shield unit be able to take out 5 ships while a 1000 shield BB can only get one! Either lose the pens, or lose the blitz I think. I really don't think the stats are too bad, though I don't know why you have them so much higher then regular subs; the allied subs in the pacific were just as lethal for example. I think the pens are fine, it is the blitz that just is overpowered. Germany should not be able to clear the sea of allied navy in early 1940.
DrNick
Chieftain
Rocoteh said:
You are welcome, and THANK YOU! for designing this scenario and supporting its evolution so well. I know a bunch of us here are enjoying it very much. I was sorry to see all the dust-up about the thread. Don't leave! Your scenarios are the best.
And now...
So far the AI has left my Spanish Expeditionary force alone, but as the French only now hold Bordeaux and Lisbon on the continent I think that is going to change. I am building up Marines, Heavy Artillery and Airpower in Spain as fast as I can ferry it across the Atlantic. With only Paratroops being airmobile (much more realistic) it takes time to gather a big force.
Wk28 Sov declare war on Britain (hidden sub overrun)
WK29 Sov decare war on Germany (also hidden sub)
Wk 30-31 I notice that Japan has Oil now from city captures in China, they will probably start building air/sea power back up. For the last three turns my losses have only been 1B-18 and 1B-25, 1SS and 1DD while sinking 6 Uboats and a sov DD
WK32 a IJN Amphib force appears near Okinawa, threatening Iwo, but then turns away.
Wk33 I take Valencia and Spain is destroyed. The IJN force turns back to Iwo Jima but the landing is turned away. Germany lands more Panzers in England, but they are destroyed next turn trying to take Birmingham.
Wk34 The Marshall Is captured and I destroy the IJN Amphib force is destroyed. Losses for t32-34 are 2B-25, 1F4F, 5SS, 1CL (to a DD) and 5DD. In turn I kill 2U boat, 2IJN SS, 2IJN DD, the last Japanese BB (for now) and a transport.
Wk35-26 I take Okinawa and the Japanese try to take it right back. Their Amphib is repulsed and my Marines generate my first MGL of the war in Okinawa. I lose a2B-25 and 1 sub while destroying a U-boat.
More soon and keep up the good works!
Nick
P.S.Y.C.H.O. said:I'm glad to hear you're staying Rocoteh!
Sasebo: Ofcourse, the Coastal Defense Ships... I forgot about them...
In the scenario Sweden has 7 CDS's (i think you should rename them Armoured Ships since all the Swedish CDS's were Armoured Ships [Pansarskepp in Swedish], not CDS's)... Sverige, Gustav V, Drottning Victoria, Oscar II, Manligheten, Tapperheten and Äran... I'm not sure if the last four were around at the time of WW2 though...
I think you should give Sweden some airplanes too... In 1945 the Swedish Airforce (Flygvapnet) was the world's 3rd largest air force... Only the USAF and RAF were bigger...
Another interesting fact: One of the reasons the Germans didn't invade Sweden was because they feared the Swedish Navy...
Oh, BTW the Spanish BB, Jaime I, was sunk in 1937...
P.S.Y.C.H.O.,
I will take a look at the Swedish navy and airforce and see
if changes should be made.
On Jaime I: It was sunk 1937 and later raised. It was scrapped
as late as 1940. For major powers I have of course used multiple
sources. In the case of Spain only one old source.
That was the reason to the mistake.
If one shall call it mistake. It could have been rearmed in 1939.
Rocoteh
More comments will follow tomorrow.
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