WW2-Global

Rocoteh, perhaps I mentioned it before: I let buildings and wonders produce in every German harbour city (Bremen to Königsberg) a type VII Uboat every second turn and in one city a IX boat every turn. Perhaps you should give the allies buildings to build destroyers from this building. That would mean a much tougher fight at sea.

Adler
 
Adler17 said:
Rocoteh, perhaps I mentioned it before: I let buildings and wonders produce in every German harbour city (Bremen to Königsberg) a type VII Uboat every second turn and in one city a IX boat every turn. Perhaps you should give the allies buildings to build destroyers from this building. That would mean a much tougher fight at sea.

Adler

Adler,

OK, I will consider that.

Right now I am working with a revision of stats for US air-units.

Rocoteh
 
Week 51 part two:
Nothing happens with the exception of an invasion of my forces near Swedlows and Chelyabinsk. Also I made some intelligence. It seems the Russians invaded Japanese hold China. But they did no manage any real success, only fights between units. Although the Soviets are in China with about 50+ units.
Japan had lost the city captured in Indonesia, Palembang, to the British.

PC turn:
The Russians attacked several timesbut were never successful. Indeed they lost four units to me and at least two against the Fins.
Also a US BB C2 is spotted off Gibraltar. But a Bismarck class BB is waiting...
Also new CV ready: Ernst Lehmann.

Adler
 
Week 52:
I forgot to mention the Russian counter offensive near Chalyabinsk. These 39 units are bombed by the Luftwaffe, which was able to damage all and destroy one of them. Also the fortress ring around Moscow is lost due to the Stukas. However 5 of them were lost in that attack and my newly produced Stukas are all needed aboard the CV Ernst Lehmann.
Off Africa my fleet bombed Agadir and my Stukas there had a good day finishing off the defenders. So my last undamaged marine division could take the city with ease. Then I finished off the remaining French units in my territory. Also my Baltic sea squadron is now en route to Africa. In the meantime the Bismarck class battleship Hannover had no difficulties in sinking the US BB and becoming elite.
In the east I took Chelyabinsk, destroyed theenemies there and made an offensive on Swedlowsk, which I hope to get next turn. Also Moscow is now planned to be attacked from two sides.
Also my two ships in the Black sea deal good with the submarines there. The Soviet black sea submarines lose one ortwo per turn. My DD is elite and the SS just veteran, hopefully next time also elite.

PC turn:
Italy makes peace with Russia, while I have to declare war on Thailand as they attacked the Japanese.
The Brits and French try to invade German North Africa. Off Nova Scotia a British TR and a US BB C2 were spotted, directly in front of the torpedo tubes of my Uboat wolf pack there. A good choice...
Now I have to declare war on Russia.

Adler
 
Rocoteh.
A magnificent scenario! I'm currently playing 2.1 Germany. :goodjob:!!

I follow this thread for some time now. I think the game is pretty balanced.
One thing: no one has tested the Russians?
I'm thinking to test them..
What do you think? And what difficultylevel is suitable for a test?

Redman
 
New OoBs, week 1, 1941:

Wehrmacht:

Heer:
4 Paratrooper
1 Cavalry
30 German Army HQ
3 Flame Thrower
96 infantry
82 FlaK 8.8
6 Pz II
45 Pz III E
3 Fortresses
7 Slovakian infantry
12 security divisions
2 heavy artillery
37 garrison
2 light divisions
27 special fortress
257 Pz IIIG
1 German artillery brigade
21 Hungary infantry
25 Rumanian infantry
12 Bulgarian
14 Motorized infantry
4 SS infantry

Luftwaffe:
13 Do 17
59 Ju 87
30 He 111
6 Me 110
137 Me 109
43 Ju 88

Kriegsmarine:
22 Bismarck class BB
5 Scharnhorst class BB
4 Deutschland class BC
2 Deutschland class BB (predreadnoughts)
5 CV C3
3 CV C2
5 CA C2
6 CL
1 CLAA
53 German 1939 DD
12 1939 DD
60 SS IX
165 SS VII
1 SS
28 SC
15 TR
3 PF
1 Special TR
37 Minefields
5 Marines

Just a remark on the coastal defence ships. The Greek ships Kilkis and Lemnos were also both predreadnoughts, made in the USA but sold in 1914 as they were not very good in the eyes of the USN. So I propose also to enhance them. Both ships were sunk at Salamis in 1941 by German planes.

USSR

Army:
4 Cavalry
5 Artillery
249 Russian infantry
5 fortrss
46 heavy artillery
10 FlaK
119 Soviet tanks
238 motorized infantry
4 special fortress
18 Soviet Garrison

Air Force:
6 I 15
6 Pe 2
86 Yak 1
9 I 16

Navy:
2 BB C2
1 CV C2
27 SS
15 Soviet SC
6 TR

Italy:

Army:
4 paratrooper
38 Italian Infantry
13 M 11/ 39
3 heavy artrillery
5 garrison
41 Italian Mountain infantry

Air Force:
1 Recon plane
2 G 50
1 Breda BA 65 DB
1 bomber
2 fighter

Navy
3 BB C2
1 BB
6 DD 1939
1 TR

As Italy is now no longer a major power is this the last update on her forces unless something really important happens.

Japan:

Army:
223 Japanese infantry
52 type 97 Chi Ha
39 special fortress

Air Force
10 Kate
46 Nate
4 Sally
9 Val
1 Zero

Navy:
31 Yamato class BB
3 BB
5 Shokaku class CV
1 CA
17 DD
7 TR

Japan seems to have problems in the land war. However I think they can manage the situation. And they rule the seas in that part of the Pacific.

UK

Army:
1 mobile artillery
3 artillery
2 British tanks
13 Indian infantry
7 South African infantry
1 Gurkha
170 British infantry
6 cruiser Mk 2
10 cruiser Mk 1 (could be the other way round)
281 Matilda 2
2 Valentine
72 British milita
10 garrisons
3 FlaK
37 special fortress
4 AZANC infantry
1 Canadian infantry

This means I have to make pressure on Britain in Africa. Also they seem to be technological ahead! I think that has to be changed in the game. I think Germany should get a technological boost in some way.

Royal Air force:
7 Recon planes
2 Beaufighter
1 Mosquito
32 Skua
4 Armstrong Whitworth
4 Hurricane
91 Spitfire
6 paratrooper planes

Royal Navy
10 KGV class BB
9 CL
10 1939 DD
3 WW1 DD
8 SS
19 TR

USA
2 paratrooper
7 cavalry
6 artillery
395 US infantry
45 M2A2
3 US paratrooper
9 garrison
1 Flak
2 special fortress

USAAF
1 recon plane
1 B 25
17 SBD Dauntless
33 F2A Buffalo
4 paratrooper planes
3 F4F Wildcat
4 Bomber
15 fighter

USN
16 BB C2
1 BB
1 CV C3
2 DD 1939
6 DD WW1
25 SS
5 TR

USMC
72 Marines

Adler
 
Week 1, 1941:
I sank the US BB C2 for the loss of 3 type IX Uboats. Still a good exchange. As well I could sink the British TR.
I declared war on Russia and attacked Archangelsk and Swerdlowsk. Also all Russian fortresses are hitory. In the next turn a great offensive will happen against Moscow and Stalingrad.
In Africa I lost three Pz III E to one da*n Matilda tank.

PC turn:
3 Russian losses for one Pz III G. But I also spotted French and British units in Russia, so that I have to deal with them later.

Adler
 
Week 2:
Moscow taken after artillery bombardment, which destroey every unit there except two artillery. No losses. Also Kotlas, Sochi, Stalingrad and Astrachan taken. All in all minimal losses.

PC turn:
At Astrakhan 40 British units appear and some Iranian. As they are no imminent danger I will be passive an delay my Stukas hereto. Also I have destroyed 5 enemy units for the cost of 2 own.
2 new BBs are ready: Gneisenau class BB Yorck and Bismarck class Anhalt.

Adler
 
Week 3:
Petjora, Tver, Kasan, Jaroslavl and Gorkiy taken with little losses. Also enemy troops bombed.

PC turn:
The British invade further into my territory. I have to deal with that threat. Also it seems they would not have sent their last troops.
Also new capital ships ready.

Adler
 
Week 4 :
New BB: Elsaß, Lothringen, new CV: Richthofen. Enemy units attacked, nothing else happened.

PC turn:
A British KGV class BB sank an Italian BB near Malta. Also a US BB was spotted near the Azores.
The British advance further but I think I can destroy them before doing any damages.

Adler
 
hey i have 1 question is the Hindenbourg class based on real facts or just fictional?
2nd i would suggest a strong bomber with a long range in air 41/42,beacause my feeling is now after i conquerd all europe but russia that the long distances in afrika and asia are horroble for my Luftwaffe,in the european battle,where cities are close together i mainly built ju-87(b) because i feeled that they are very strong and now they are useless i think.
 
Redman: Several people have tried USSR before, but earlier versions I think. I did one at Sid several versions ago myself, and found the USSR to be most likely the easiest to play. Mainly because you are not entangled by allies and can make war at a time of your choosing. You also have some excellent ground and decent air units along the way, and your relative weakness at sea really isn't as important as it is to other powers; USSR is a land power.

So long as the Axis doesn't declare war on you early(and the AI almost certainly won't) you just need to build up until you are comfortable, and then go wipe them all out. I never felt threatened at all in that game.
 
Morphling: The Hindenburg class is based upon the German H class BB. 6 of them were planned and a few the works already started, when ww2 broke out. They were with 62500 ts and 8 16" guns bigger and better even than the Bismarck class. The works halted in the war and the remains were scrapped to use the material and place for Uboats as no German yard was able to build them additionally. Later there were studies in how far a ship had to be built to cope with all threads. The H 44 model was the result, in which a displacement of about 120000 ts was given. Also Hitler asked if in this ship 80 cm guns, the Dora, could be introduced. However this was only a study as no German yard would have been able to build such a big ship in that days and in the times of war. Also it is questionable if there were repairing facilities in Germany to repair such a ship.
However such a monster with 8 80 cm guns would have been a nightmare for the allies...
Also Germany had until the He 177 bomber was introduced no strategic bomber as they did not rely on strategic bombing. That was one of the greatest errors in the German command. The He 177 was only introduced because of the revolutionary design. Although it had only 2 propellors each one had two motors. The plane was, after some childhood deseases, a good plane but was an easy prey for allied fighters as the neccessary air superirity was not given after the invasion.
However there were German heavy bombers but mostly used a maritime reconnaissance and bomber like the Fw 200 Condor or the Ju 290. Then there were some projects like the Amerikabomber, which mostly were not built more than a few prototypes. One of them however made a maiden voyage up to a point a few miles before New York. I think a bombing would have caused severe morale damages...

Adler
 
Adler,

Thank you for the reports.

"Week 51 part two:
Nothing happens with the exception of an invasion of my forces near Swedlows and Chelyabinsk. Also I made some intelligence. It seems the Russians invaded Japanese hold China. But they did no manage any real success, only fights between units. Although the Soviets are in China with about 50+ units.
Japan had lost the city captured in Indonesia, Palembang, to the British.

PC turn:
The Russians attacked several timesbut were never successful. Indeed they lost four units to me and at least two against the Fins.
Also a US BB C2 is spotted off Gibraltar. But a Bismarck class BB is waiting...
Also new CV ready: Ernst Lehmann."
Adler

Japan-AI seldom plays in an impressing way after the initial expansion.
The Russian attack in the Far East is a surprise.

"Week 52:
I forgot to mention the Russian counter offensive near Chalyabinsk. These 39 units are bombed by the Luftwaffe, which was able to damage all and destroy one of them. Also the fortress ring around Moscow is lost due to the Stukas. However 5 of them were lost in that attack and my newly produced Stukas are all needed aboard the CV Ernst Lehmann.
Off Africa my fleet bombed Agadir and my Stukas there had a good day finishing off the defenders. So my last undamaged marine division could take the city with ease. Then I finished off the remaining French units in my territory. Also my Baltic sea squadron is now en route to Africa. In the meantime the Bismarck class battleship Hannover had no difficulties in sinking the US BB and becoming elite."
Adler

A number of air-units will lose "lethal-land" in version 2.2.
However Stuka will keep it.

"In the east I took Chelyabinsk, destroyed theenemies there and made an offensive on Swedlowsk, which I hope to get next turn. Also Moscow is now planned to be attacked from two sides.
Also my two ships in the Black sea deal good with the submarines there. The Soviet black sea submarines lose one ortwo per turn. My DD is elite and the SS just veteran, hopefully next time also elite."
Adler

Russia seems to have severe problems.

"PC turn:
Italy makes peace with Russia, while I have to declare war on Thailand as they attacked the Japanese.
The Brits and French try to invade German North Africa. Off Nova Scotia a British TR and a US BB C2 were spotted, directly in front of the torpedo tubes of my Uboat wolf pack there. A good choice..."
Adler

Yes, for sure!

Comment on unit-stats:

On the predreadnoughts:

OK I will look it over.

257xPz IIIg and a strong airforce should mean victory in the East.

I doubt that the Allied naval forces will rule the seas again.
The Kriegmarine is an impressing force now.

Russia have been reduced to a limited offensive-capacity.

RAF fighter-command still to count with!
The same holds true for the 281 Matilda II!

The Japanese naval forces are very strong.

"This means I have to make pressure on Britain in Africa. Also they seem to be technological ahead! I think that has to be changed in the game. I think Germany should get a technological boost in some way."
Adler

However most people play the scenario as Germany and such changes
will probably make human versus AI play to easy.

"Week 1, 1941:
I sank the US BB C2 for the loss of 3 type IX Uboats. Still a good exchange. As well I could sink the British TR.
I declared war on Russia and attacked Archangelsk and Swerdlowsk. Also all Russian fortresses are hitory. In the next turn a great offensive will happen against Moscow and Stalingrad.
In Africa I lost three Pz III E to one da*n Matilda tank.

PC turn:
3 Russian losses for one Pz III G. But I also spotted French and British units in Russia, so that I have to deal with them later."
Adler

Its hard to see Moscow holding out for a long time.

"Week 2:
Moscow taken after artillery bombardment, which destroey every unit there except two artillery. No losses. Also Kotlas, Sochi, Stalingrad and Astrachan taken. All in all minimal losses.

PC turn:
At Astrakhan 40 British units appear and some Iranian. As they are no imminent danger I will be passive an delay my Stukas hereto. Also I have destroyed 5 enemy units for the cost of 2 own.
2 new BBs are ready: Gneisenau class BB Yorck and Bismarck class Anhalt."
Adler

Hopefully they will take defensive positions.

"Week 3:
Petjora, Tver, Kasan, Jaroslavl and Gorkiy taken with little losses. Also enemy troops bombed.

PC turn:
The British invade further into my territory. I have to deal with that threat. Also it seems they would not have sent their last troops.
Also new capital ships ready."
Adler

No defensive positions it seems!

"Week 4 :
New BB: Elsaß, Lothringen, new CV: Richthofen. Enemy units attacked, nothing else happened.

PC turn:
A British KGV class BB sank an Italian BB near Malta. Also a US BB was spotted near the Azores.
The British advance further but I think I can destroy them before doing any damages."
Adler

The British offensive will probably run out of steam.

Thank you and welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
Redman said:
Rocoteh.
A magnificent scenario! I'm currently playing 2.1 Germany. :goodjob:!!

I follow this thread for some time now. I think the game is pretty balanced.
One thing: no one has tested the Russians?
I'm thinking to test them..
What do you think? And what difficultylevel is suitable for a test?

Redman

Redman,

Thank you.
No one have reported a playtest with Russia with regard to version 2.1.

Such a playtest on the Emperor-level would be very interesting.

Welcome back.

Rocoteh
 
Morphling said:
hey i have 1 question is the Hindenbourg class based on real facts or just fictional?
2nd i would suggest a strong bomber with a long range in air 41/42,beacause my feeling is now after i conquerd all europe but russia that the long distances in afrika and asia are horroble for my Luftwaffe,in the european battle,where cities are close together i mainly built ju-87(b) because i feeled that they are very strong and now they are useless i think.

Morphling,

Its based on facts.

On a strong bomber 41/42:

Most people play this scenario as Germany.
Such a what-if bomber would make play against AI to easy.

Rocoteh
 
about playing as Russia(2.1) I already said once it's quite fun (the start is a bit slow) but once being at war with the axis there's quite a lot of action everywhere. I had a two (3)front war with Germany(strong ground forces) in the West and Japan (strong airforce and navy) in the East.(Finland in the north was not really a problem when I became my first real bomber units...). So i wouldn't say it's the easiest.
It always matters how much the US are involved and where.
Watch out for page 251 for my report...
 
Samez said:
about playing as Russia I already said once it's quite fun (the start is a bit slow) but once being at war with the axis there's quite a lot of action everywhere. I had a two (3)front war with Germany(strong ground forces) in the West and Japan (strong airforce and navy) in the East.(Finland in the north was not really a problem when I became my first real bomber units...). So i wouldn't say it's the easiest.
It always matters how much the US are involved and where.

Samez,

I think its most interesting to play as Russia with a confrontation
with US/Britain in mind. That is: Atfer that the Axis powers have
been defeated.

Rocoteh
 
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