WW2-Global

[dferrill]

dferrill,

Thank you for the report.

Very interesting what you mention about Communist-China.
The removal of the draft seems to have had a very positive impact here.

When AI decrease population-levels in cities with draft it will also
increase the risk for so called "auto-razing".
Not even placing wonders can stop that type of razing!

Welcome back with more reports.

Rocoteh

its going to be interesting to see how it effects the superpower civs such as US, Britain,Russia and Germany but i think it will only help make the smaller countries a little stronger defensively and not as easily overun as ive observed with communist China which i think makes it more realistic but doesnt effect game balance atleast so far. and it may even stop some auto razing by the AI like you said.

 

[dferrill]

Sorry for the many posts lately but i should point out that the AI hasnt razed 1 city yet just looked, and germany has conquered most of the cities except about 3 from the french in Europe usually 1 or 2 cities has been razed and i dont expect the AI to do this unless a cities population has been reduced via bombardment it wont stop auto razing completly but will definetly slow it down some i think.and i truly believe it forces the AI to play smarter but its still early week 5 1940.I will give you a update later on this.

 

[WVCivnut]

Between turns:
Turkey -- They actually used a tank against Greece -- that's a first.

France -- Attacked Verdun and they lost 1 inf but all 4 of their tanks retreated with 1 hp. No air attacks.

England -- Lost 1 bomber to flak. Naval bombardments on coastal cities and sea mines.

Italy -- Still messing with Yugoslavia and getting no where. They still have all their African cities too.

Soviets -- Lost 1 bomber to flak. Attacked Iasi with infantry and wasted 6 infantry, I got some Elite inf in the deal though.

Japan -- Still no visable activity from them.

German Units Builds -- 3 Infantry and 1 Sercurity Div.

Turn 8
Russian Front -- Captured Lwow, lost 1 infantry and destroyed 3 inf and a tank. Destroyed 3 planes in Riga on the ground and 1 in Lutsk. Advanced ground troops to the outskirts of Riga -- should take it next turn.

French Front -- Damaged planes in Paris. Used Stukas to destroy damaged tanks and infantry. All artillary and 8 infantry are sitting outside Paris -- most of the troops are taking the turn off to heal.

Between Turns 8-9
France -- Lost a tank attacking Verdun.

England -- Bombed Antwerp with 2 bombers, no other air activity in my territory.

Italy -- Their wearing down Yugoslavia but still no city captured.

Soviets -- 3 bombers shot down by my CAP. One Security Div lost near Konigsberg to a tank.

German Units Builds -- 2 Infantry, 2 Panzer IIIs, 1 worker and 1 88.

Turn 9
Russian Front -- Captured Riga, city defenders numbered 4 inf and an artillary. Germany lost 1 inf in the attack. Took Belgrade, thanks to the Italian airforce and the expanded culture lines due to city improvements, destroyed 4 infantry and lost 1 inf. German forces are ready to take Kishinev next turn.

French Front -- Wiped out 2 French planes in Paris and bombarded the city. Four infantry outside Paris were destroyed. Massive German force outside Paris now -- should take it next turn.

 

[dferrill]

Japan 1940 week 14 noticed 2 French cities have been razed i assume by Germany near Marsellies ive noticed they was the same 2 cities in last version is there wonders in all cities? I still have Hong Kong under siege theres alot of infantry units there thinking about moving on to Manilla ive been concentrating on infastructure more then troop build up might be a mistake because AI seems to be building better units especially Communist China last version none of there cities had a population over 2 now 1 of there cities has a population of 20 cant remember which one but there obviously taken care of there cities now instead of building just infantry im not trying to capture there cities on purpose just want to see what kind of resistence i will get from them didnt get any last version due to draft and building just infantry because of there population decrease. will be interesting to see what happens with them when i decide to attack them got a feeling it wont be as easy this time.

 

[WVCivnut]

Between turns:
France -- Destroyed 2 of my infantry around Paris with tanks.

England -- Bombed with one bomber and a little ship action.

Italy -- Captured Zagreb, finally.

Soviets -- Destroyed one Panzer III in Lwow but lost one of their own tanks.

Japan -- Still no visable action in Asia.

German Units Builds -- 1 Infantry, 1 Pz III, and 1 Me109.

Turn 10
Russian Front -- Captured Kishinev, no German losses. Advanced troops to Dubrovnik. Wiped out 2 Russian infantry near Radom.

France -- took Paris, no German losses. Moved troops outside of Brest. Wiped out tanks wondering in the area.

 

[Rocoteh]

dferrill,

"its going to be interesting to see how it effects the superpower civs such as US, Britain,Russia and Germany but i think it will only help make the smaller countries a little stronger defensively and not as easily overun as ive observed with communist China which i think makes it more realistic but doesnt effect game balance atleast so far. and it may even stop some auto razing by the AI like you said."
dferrill

Yes, and that will be of high value.

"Sorry for the many posts lately but i should point out that the AI hasnt razed 1 city yet just looked, and germany has conquered most of the cities except about 3 from the french in Europe usually 1 or 2 cities has been razed and i dont expect the AI to do this unless a cities population has been reduced via bombardment it wont stop auto razing completly but will definetly slow it down some i think.and i truly believe it forces the AI to play smarter but its still early week 5 1940.I will give you a update later on this."
dferrill

No problem. Your posts are interesting.

What you mention here is very good news.
Looking forward to hear how this evolves.

"Japan 1940 week 14 noticed 2 French cities have been razed i assume by Germany near Marsellies ive noticed they was the same 2 cities in last version is there wonders in all cities? I still have Hong Kong under siege theres alot of infantry units there thinking about moving on to Manilla ive been concentrating on infastructure more then troop build up might be a mistake because AI seems to be building better units especially Communist China last version none of there cities had a population over 2 now 1 of there cities has a population of 20 cant remember which one but there obviously taken care of there cities now instead of building just infantry im not trying to capture there cities on purpose just want to see what kind of resistence i will get from them didnt get any last version due to draft and building just infantry because of there population decrease. will be interesting to see what happens with them when i decide to attack them got a feeling it wont be as easy this time."
dferrill

Yes, there are wonders in all French cities.

I think its positive that Communist-China now is harder to defeat.
Thank you and welcome back with more reports.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

WVCivnut,

Thank you for the reports.

I think Soviet soon will sue for peace.
You have inflicted heavy losses on them and now you capture
Soviet cities also.
Should there not be an offer of peace within 5-6 turns I am surprised.

When France have been occupied you should be able to create big trouble
for Soviet-AI should it choose to continue the war.

Its a problem that Japan-AI is so passive.
I will consider to increase aggression level for it with regard to version 2.4.

Welcome back with more reports.

Rocoteh

 

[WVCivnut]

Between turns:
France -- Lost 2 out of 3 bombers to flak.

England -- Lost 1 of 2 bombers to flak.

Italy -- Moved in on Dubrovnik.

Soviets -- Lost 1 bomber to flak - they still have quite a few in Odessa. They are massing armor near Lwow and Kishinev.

Japan -- Looks like they razed the Communist China city closest to Peking.

German Units Builds -- 2 Infantry and 3 Pz III.

Turn 11
Russian Front -- Moved troops in on Vilnious. Bombed armor stacks to weaken them. Hunkered down to repel the assault while moving in more troops.

France -- Transfered German airforce to Paris. Moved tanks to Brest and destroyed the radar tower there. Healing units.

 

[Baldurslayer]

@WVCivnut

Did you contemplate to "support" the Italian offensive against Yugoslavia? Divert some forces from France in order to Germanify Yugoslavia before Italy snatches this prospected "Lebensraum"? The French will still be there after such an expedition contrary to the Anglo-Saxon stereotype of the French always running away .
The "Croatian Infrantry" autoproduction-wonder might be a nice addition.

 

[dferrill]

WVCivnut,

Thank you for the reports.

I think Soviet soon will sue for peace.
You have inflicted heavy losses on them and now you capture
Soviet cities also.
Should there not be an offer of peace within 5-6 turns I am surprised.

When France have been occupied you should be able to create big trouble
for Soviet-AI should it choose to continue the war.

Its a problem that Japan-AI is so passive.
I will consider to increase aggression level for it with regard to version 2.4.

Welcome back with more reports.

Rocoteh

I looked in the editor and japan is set at lowest lvl but so is all the major powers i moved japan up 1 more lvl and going to see how it effects them or should i move it up more then 1? and i will play a civ close to them probably Russia because there big enough to keep a eye on them and let you know how it turns out if you want. since i have a interest in playing japan anyhow this way you know what to expect in version 2.4 should you decide to make them more aggressive they was very aggressive anyhow during ww2 i should know i was born a couple of years right after the war lol.

 

[WVCivnut]

@WVCivnut

Did you contemplate to "support" the Italian offensive against Yugoslavia? Divert some forces from France in order to Germanify Yugoslavia before Italy snatches this prospected "Lebensraum"? The French will still be there after such an expedition contrary to the Anglo-Saxon stereotype of the French always running away .
The "Croatian Infrantry" autoproduction-wonder might be a nice addition.

I already captured Belgrade on turn 9 and I should have Dubrovnik next turn. I have 6 infantry and four tanks in that theater. In my opinion, I'd rather have Italy loose cities for me to take later.

 

[WVCivnut]

Between turns:

France -- Lost one bomber over Paris. Bombarded my troops outside Brest then put all their big gun ships in that city.

England -- Little action near me.

Italy -- Bombed Dubrovnik.

Japan -- Made peace with the Soviets -- grrrrr. I will honor it unless they refuse to leave my land.

Soviets -- Pulled many troops back but there is still a large stack near Kishinev, I'll ask them to leave.

German Units Builds -- 4 Infantry and 1 Pz III.

Turn 12
Russian Front -- it's on again, they declared war when I asked them to get out. Advanced troops around Vilnious. Captured Dubrovnik -- no losses. Yugoslavia is no more.

France -- Captured Brest, there were 4 Inf and a tank in the city -- Germany lost a marine div and 2 inf in the attack. Several French ships were in port.

 

[Rocoteh]

I looked in the editor and japan is set at lowest lvl but so is all the major powers i moved japan up 1 more lvl and going to see how it effects them or should i move it up more then 1? and i will play a civ close to them probably Russia because there big enough to keep a eye on them and let you know how it turns out if you want. since i have a interest in playing japan anyhow this way you know what to expect in version 2.4 should you decide to make them more aggressive they was very aggressive anyhow during ww2 i should know i was born a couple of years right after the war lol.

dferrill,

Aggression level have been set to the lowest for major powers to
reduce city-razing by AI.
However, I have recently come to the conclusion (based on
playtest-reports and my own observations) that almost all
city-razing are due to auto-razing when cities are protected by
wonders.
There is no known way to stop auto-razing.

Thus aggression-levels (including Japan) will be changed with regard
to version 2.4.

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

WVCivnut,

Thank you for the reports.

I guess you soon will control France.
A fast victory.

On Soviet:

Just think there had been a "never declare war option" for Civs
in the editor!

It will be interesting to follow at which point Soviet-AI will try to
quitt the war again.

Welcome back with more reports.

Rocoteh

 

[WVCivnut]

Between turns:

France -- It looked like they are fighting off a Spanish invasion near Toulouse.

England -- Air bombardment on Brest and destroyed the baracks.

Italy -- They still have all their African cities.

Japan -- Captured Langchow.

Soviets -- Some foward movements but nothing too bad for me to handle.

German Units Builds -- 2 Infantry, 4 Pz III and a worker.

Turn 13
Russian Front -- Took Vilnius which was defended by 5 Inf and a gun, one German Inf lost. Destroyed several tanks and wondering Inf. Rebuilding roads for faster troop advancement.

France -- Large force of 8 HQs, 13 Inf, 1 88, and a paratrooper are outside Bordeaux now.

Between Turns 13 & 14

France -- Wiped out 2 Inf Div near Bordeaux but lost a tank.

England -- More plane action from them. Hardly any damage to me though.

Italy -- Air bombing Lyon.

Japan -- Canton is getting hit hard, the city is now size 1.

Soviets -- They counter attacked near Vilnius with tanks. I give the Iron Cross to the newly named 1st Panzer Div - they destroyed 4 Soviet tanks and the last two with only one HP. One Inf lost in the assault.

German Units Builds -- 1 Infantry and 1 Pz III.

Turn 14
Russian Front -- Destroyed many tanks and inf in the south and near Vilnius.

France -- Took Bordeaux, no German losses. Destroyed 4 tanks outside the city. Advanced large force to the outskirts of Toulouse.

 

[dferrill]

dferrill,

Aggression level have been set to the lowest for major powers to
reduce city-razing by AI.
However, I have recently come to the conclusion (based on
playtest-reports and my own observations) that almost all
city-razing are due to auto-razing when cities are protected by
wonders.
There is no known way to stop auto-razing.

Thus aggression-levels (including Japan) will be changed with regard
to version 2.4.

Rocoteh

In my games the same cities allways gets razed so it leads me to believe the AI auto razing is not a random event something triggers the AI to do this I believe it could be the population of the city at the time of conquest cant remember seeing a city with a large population getting razed but it also could be something else like maybe the corruption lvl of the city for example at the time, but i believe there will eventually be a fix for this problem just a matter of finding the trigger that sets it off from now on im going to pay more attention to this event then i did in the past and if other players do to we can find a fix for this problem being a developer of another online game I know that AI events are fired off by triggers in all games. im not experienced with civ 3 editor but im getting inspired to learn. if theres not a fix within the editor there is in the game. your work is very impressive Rocoteh, with the help of the community i believe together we can find a fix.

 

[dferrill]

I came here a couple of months ago needing a long break from the Neverwinter Nights community/ game and since ive been here have become very fond of the members of this community I have found the members of this community are very polite to each other and can be very helpful to each other when a problem arises and not putting someone down if they dont agree with there ideas etc. which is a very refreshing change indeed something i havent seen in other communitys, and im looking forward to being apart of civ 3 community thanks to all of you.

 

[WVCivnut]

I came here a couple of months ago needing a long break from the Neverwinter Nights community/ game and since ive been here have become very fond of the members of this community I have found the members of this community are very polite to each other and can be very helpful to each other when a problem arises and not putting someone down if they dont agree with there ideas etc. which is a very refreshing change indeed something i havent seen in other communitys, and im looking forward to being apart of civ 3 community thanks to all of you.

That might be due to our maturity and age. I'm 39 years old. Also, we all have a passion for WWII history, which is different from a fantasy world.

This is really the only game I play because of the small amount of free time I have.

 

[dferrill]

I have done a test of AI aggression with Japan I increased the aggression lvl by 1 and played Russia this is what happened I made a point to be friendly with Japan I asked for and got a ROP and traded coal for there saltpeter very first turn needless to say they were polite to me then all hell broke loose week 39 1939 Japan declares war on Denmark and Russia which was me' dragging me into a war with Germany and Finland and Italy and of course Japan. week 42 1939 US declares war on Russia and the rest of the US allies followed suit except for Britain. Japan was bombing my cities very heavily near there border and mine and moving there troops from the east toward the cities in the east at the same time this was going on Germany was also bombing my cities in the west and sending in troops and tanks and lots of them i might ad Russia was quickly in trouble from the start well i thought ok i can handle this and then i found out to my surprise that Russia's troops and tanks are very weak and was quickly slicing through them with no trouble at all including Finlands troops which was quite a shock, ok i can handle this so i start bombing them in hopes to slow them down only to find out that the bombers miss 90% of the time do no damage and get shot down in the process along with the fighters trying to defend my cities from everyones bombardment week 47 1939 have lost 2 cities so far Vilnuis and Leipaja to Germany with more to follow cant really muster enough forces to stop them only hope is to offer peace before they wipe me out from 3 fronts germany and Italy from west finland from the north and japan from the east if US shows up im in serious trouble not to mention britain update later but doesnt look good one more thing japan razed one of com china cities dont know the name.

 

[dferrill]

That might be due to our maturity and age. I'm 39 years old. Also, we all have a passion for WWII history, which is different from a fantasy world.

This is really the only game I play because of the small amount of free time I have.

oh that must be the reason im 55 yrs old and a WWII history buff myself