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Egypt did not add troops to the CW.

They were decidedly anti-Commonwealth.

Nasser was in Egypts military at this point, and he and a few other people planned coup's and joining the axis, particularly with the Italians who weren't far away. Thats as much as I know anyway, but yeah, those egyptians weren't to happy about british rule I'd say.

Sadly no.vten chars

Ohhhh, yess. wish I knew what that meant.
 
Ohhhh, yess. wish I knew what that meant.

Sadly no means you can't move railroad speed. v was a typo. Ten Chars means my message was to short and i needed more characters.
 
Egypt was neither a colony nor a dominion; certainly not in the Commonwealth.

This latest iteration is quite good in parts - I do like the naming of the Indian forces and various forces in the colonies; the Indian Divisions still have a role, particularly in East Africa. The positioning of German cities in North Africa and Sicily is an excellent idea.
Malaya is a bit empty.
The RAF, particularly Fighter Command, can be tweaked.
There are still bemusing naval anomalies - the entire force of the most modern RN cruisers, the Towns, lie unnamed somewhere off Lands End.
The two modified Towns lies unnamed off British Columbia of all reasons; perhaps guarding against Hitler invading Western Europe via Alaska.
The entire inventory of D-class cruisers lies unnamed in the Suez Canal, along with the Mediterranean Fleet. They can be dispersed to their relevant stations, and the Fleet shifted to Alexandria.
The entire inventory of Leander CLs lies off Sydney, along with the two E class cruisers (all unnamed). The RNZN cruisers, of the Leander class, are generic light cruisers.
The entire inventory of Arethusa CLs are adrift off Halifax, bereft of named and classification.
Seven C-class cruisers are unnamed off Belfast.
The Royal Indian Navy sloops can have a somewhat abbreviated title; choose an appropriate abbreviation for sloop - "HMIS Cornwallis SL" for example.
Two unnamed Anzac Infantry Divisions and two unnamed South African Infantry Divisions remain.

I've made a few tweakings in my own versions - British Militia Division changed to British Infantry Brigade; the Armstrong Whitworth HB to the Vickers Wellington. It works nicely.

Excellent news from the eminent Wyrmshadow regarding the planes.
 
@Simon Darkshade
I want to give the RAF a historical ORBAT , but it would mean giving them 50+ squadrons.
That is almost as much as the Germans have right now.
The Luftwaffe outnumbered the RAF by about 3 to 1 at the start of the battle of Britain.
The problem is that German squadrons had more planes than RAF squadrons did.
Do you have any suggestions how to have historical units but also an accurate balance.

Armstrong Whitworth HB vs the Vickers Wellington.
In the next version of my 1940 mod I will replace the Whitworth with the Wellington.
The stats the change. Bombard from 16 to 20 [More payload] DEF from 2 to 3.[more machine guns]
 
The approach to take is simple - give the Jerries what they had, in due proportion.

The numbers were closer to 2:1, and that as an overall figure, including bombers. The RAF and Luftwaffe were fairly well matched in terms of single engine fighters, with a ratio of about 10: 7.5 or 8, depending on when we draw the figures.
The main Jerry area of strength is in medium bombers, light bombers and dive bombers, as befit their designated role. They can be given their full strength, and realistically put up against the RAF.
Individual squadron strength is a fairly minor issue to my view; any lack of numbers can be compensated for with the factors of radar and operating over home territory.

The RN, as said, has room for tweaking.
The RM I have a little orbat for, albeit without specific bases - what I have done is name to cruisers and destroyers to match the proper inventory.
 
Can you give me a list of the ships names?
 
An idea about Italian infantry.
IMHO I think it is too underpowered.
To start with it has low HP and low attack and defense as it should , but when you make almost all the infantry divisions conscript I think it really is a bit too much. I was thinking of making the Italian Infantry conscripts onto regulars.
The game effect is 1 more HP.
I think this would be a good idea.
What do you guys think?

[Off topic] Take look at this news story http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle1811094.ece
The Pakistani and Afghan armies are having border skirmishes.
 
@Simon Darkshade
Do you have any info on the squadrons of the RAAF in 1940?
 
Just lost a post I was typing at for over two hours.

It included reference to that link, which is one of several resources out there that can give a nice picture of the RAF around the time of the Battle of Britain. If you want to work back to May/June, then the production figures are available.

For the RAAF, I had a comprehensive run down. I won't tempt fate by repeating it all here. The squadrons in service were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5(rebadged as 9) 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. They were a mixture of some fighter squadrons, a majority of bomber squadrons and 3 seaplane squadrons.

3, 4, 21, 24 and 25 were the fighters with Gladiators in North Africa; Wirraways in Canberra; Wirraways in Melbourne; Wirraways in Townsville; and Wirraways in Perth respectively.
1, 2, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14, 22, and 23 were the bombers, equipped in the main with Avro Ansons.
9, 10 and 11 were the seaplanes, equipped with Seagulls, Empires and Sunderlands. 10 Sqn, with Sunderlands, was based in Britain.

Italian Infantry: I think it is justified in terms of performance and various intangible factors that cannot be properly included in the game. There were always exceptions in the case of individual units.

RM:

"At June, 10th, 1940 (at the very beginning of the war) the Regia Marina was composed by

◊ 6 battleships, two of them of modern 35,000 ton. type
◊ 7 cruisers of 10,000 ton.
◊ 14 light cruisers between 5.000 and 8.000 ton.
◊ 12 flotilla leader destroyers
◊ 28 modern destroyers
◊ 19 old model destroyers
◊ 69 torpedo boats
◊ 117 submarines of varied type and tonnage"

http://www.regiamarina.it/eng_index.htm

The orbat in the game at the moment lacks the two Littorios, leaving
4 battleships (two less than @)
7 heavy cruisers (correct)
12 light cruisers (2 less; additionally Capitani Romani CL/DLs effectively can fit in this category, or more properly as warbuilt cruisers. The missing units are the old Taranto and Bari.)
12 destroyer leaders (these ships, the 12 Navigatori class, could be simulated in the short terms with veteran 1939 destroyers, appropriately badged)
60 1939 Destroyers (32 more than @; however, refer to the above DL caveat)
28 WW1 Destroyers (9 more than @)
92 Submarines (25 less than @)

I do not think that torpedo boats should make it, even under the guise of WW1 destroyers. There is enough of an equalizer in the submarine arm. If they have to make it in, then sloops, frigates, TBs can all be incorporated under the sub chaser unit, re-named Destroyer Escorts, and made available from the start. That way, it won't muddle the numbers, as could happen with the RM or KM.

The RM is a strong force as long as it doesn't fritter away its power against the MN Med Fleet before France is overrun. If it does this, then the RN can easily pick off the remnants, and there goes Italy's war.

Light Cruiser names:

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/ships_it/cruisers_light/crui_light_us.htm

Destroyer names:

http://www.regiamarina.it/ordbatteng.htm

In fact, that will give you a perfect orbat for the whole kit and kaboodle at 10 June. It has fleets, bases and even divisions of area:
http://www.regiamarina.it/organization.htm


There is a question of Richelieu and Jean Bart. The first should definitely make it; the second was not complete when she sailed.
Including the other two as a production option, and even the Alsace class is an idea, given the presence of the H-class and its ilk.
 
@Simon Darkshade Thank you for the info.
You have helped very much and I do not want to over burden you , but do you have any info on the RAAF bomber ORBAT?

An idea about ships and air power.
I think it might be a good idea to cut ships HP.
The reason is that I don't think the supremacy of air power over ships is accurately simulated. If this option is taken then all ships and subs hp should be cut by about the same %.
I was thinking of a 30-50% reduction in HP.
What do you think?


EDIT One more idea I just had, give destroyers a stealth attack against subs.
 
The Australian RAAF bomber orbat is detailed as above - they had Avro Ansons and Lockheed Hudsons. In game purposes, they can be put down as Blenheims - obsolescent types.
The heavier units came in 1944-45 in Australia with the Liberators, and with the Empire Air Training Scheme squadrons who served in Britain with Bomber Command; they various served with Wellingtons and later Lancasters.

The RAF Bomber Command in June 1940 - 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 Groups.
1 Group were the Advanced Air Striking Force, who had been hit hard in the Battle of France. About 10-12 squadrons of Fairey Battles and Blenheims
2 Group were light bombers - Battles and Blenheims
3 Group were all Vickers Wellingtons at this time.
4 Group were medium bombers - all Whitleys at the beginning of the war...around 10 squadrons
5 Group were medium bombers - all Hampdens at the beginning of the war... at least 8 squadrons in service June 1940
6 Group was a training group with 13 squadrons, so we won't count that.

http://www.hellzapoppin.demon.co.uk/orderofbattle.htm Linky to beginning of the war orbat and discussion.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/UK/UK-RAF-I/UK-RAF-I-2.html A good online work for all seasons.


Destroyers vs subs can be simulated with a low defence rating for the submarines, and even a bombardment option for the later flotillas...It is an interesting question. I personally believe that the destroyer line, like the cruiser line, could be overhauled significantly.

Part of that could be giving the RN, USN, IJN, KM, RM and possibly the MN access to two distinct classes during the war - 1939 and 1943, and the rest can have generics. These two 'year classes' could be named, or left as wide categories. I do like the idea of Fletchers, Gearings, Battles and even perhaps Darings in action, though.

The AI will always not have a capability to use airpower properly or discriminate against types. Sinking a capital ship is a difficult proposition early on, particularly for those countries who lack torpedoes and armour piercing bombs. There is no way of weakening ships solely against aircraft.

If we weaken them by 50%, then fleets will die even quicker in the futile charges the AI is fond of; keeping units with high HP does get them to withdraw units back, which is good. I think it could cause a lot of problems.

If the issue is a major one, increase the bombardment and ROF of relevant aircraft types, and give them lethal sea bombardment. The result may take a little while, but will kill the ships without unbalancing the game - I've sunk Bismarcks with waves of Swordfish after about half a dozen Skua attacks, which is somewhat realistic.

This nice link on Mythical Ocean Cat has some important discussion for the purposes of the time being discussed: http://www.rusi.org/research/militarysciences/history/commentary/ref:C4538DAE3AB61C/
 
Thanks for the info again.
In regard to the RAAF bombers I was asking if you knew were they were based.
 
1 was deployed to Malaya in July 1940, so would still be in Sydney
2 was used to cover convoys and coastal patrol, so would be on the West Coast
6 would be in Sydney
7 was forming up at RAAF Laverton - Melbourne for our purposes
12 is in Darwin
13 is in Darwin
14 is in Perth
22 is in NSW, so Sydney will do
23 was in Sydney, to move to Brisbane in July

And now for something completely different, an RN rough orbat for September 39 and June 40 for comparison. I'm classing the C, D and E cruisers as obsolescent, and the Leanders, Arethusas and Towns as modern. Didos and Crown Colonies are naturally such.

1939

America Station: 2 BB, 2 CA, 2 modern CL (1 RAN), 2 obsolescent CL
Mediterranean Fleet: 2 BB, 1, CV, 2 modern CL, 1 obsolescent CL
South Atlantic: 4 CA, 3 modern CL, 3 obsolescent CL
Channel/Plymouth: 1 BB, 1 obsolescent CL
Gibraltar: 1 BB, 1 obsolescent CL
Humber: 1 obsolescent CL
Indian Ocean: 2 CA
East Indies: 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 CA, 3 modern CL (1 RAN)
Far East: 2 CA (both RAN), 2 modern CL (1 RAN), 1 obsolescent CL
Home Fleet: 3 BB, 3 BC, 4 CV, 4 CA, 8 modern CL, 10 obsolescent CL
Refit: 2 BB, 3 CA, 1 modern CL, 1 obsolescent CL
Reserve: 1 CVL

June 1940

America: 1 BB, 3 obsolescent CL
Mediterranean: 4 BB, 1 CV, 1 CA, 5 modern CL (1 RAN)
South Atlantic: 3 CA, 2 obsolescent CL
Channel/Plymouth: 3 modern CL
Gibraltar: 3 BB, 1 BC, 1 CA, 4 obsolescent CL
Humber: 2 obsolescent CL
Indian Ocean: No major units
East Indies: 1 modern CL (RAN), 1 obsolescent CL
Far East: 2 CA (RAN), 3 modern CL (1 RAN), 3 obsolescent CL
Home Fleet: 1 BB, 2 BC, 3 CV, 4 CA, 9 modern CL, 4 obsolescent CL
Refit: 1 BB, 3 CA
Repair: 1 BB, 2 CA, 3 CL, 1 obsolescent CL
Reserve: 1 CVL
Sunk: 1 BB, 2 CV, 1 CA, 2 obsolescent CL


If Syracuse is to be German, then place a lot of U-Boats there, and even an autoproducer...there is not going to be a KM presence in the Med either. It could also serve as a position for a Fliegerkorps X base.
 
A nice source, and is certainly up there with the top ones. Very good for squadron level. Pity there aren't Army and Air Force equivalents of the old Fleet Location device, but that is a good one.
 
Just had an idea.
Victory locations in the north Atlantic to encourage naval war there.
 
That, in combination with the use of convoy units and even some of the trade advances being made elsewhere would be good.
 
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