leonidas 1982,
Its an interesting idea.
Its possible such forces will be included in version 2.5.
Rocoteh
WW2-Global
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leonidas 1982,
Its an interesting idea.
Its possible such forces will be included in version 2.5.
Rocoteh
Rocoteh, might I recommend making Netherlands and Belgium much less powerful in terms of land military to reflect that Germany moved over them as little more than a flanking maneuver to destroy France? Considering in the real world Poland held out longer than France, I think that would make sense.
cubsfan6506
Got u
Perhaps get rid of the french armor and just beef up their infantry cause in reality french tanks were just support
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
I disagree; in May 1940 the German armor was outnumbered by the total British and French armor, and it was outclassed by the French armor. Just because the French did not use their armor effectively is not a reason to eliminate it from the scenario.
warmwaffles
Programmer
Hey guys, well I have been playing for quite some time now and currently it is Week 1, 1945 and I am preparing an invasion of Britain finally, and my curious mind wanted to know what I was up against, well I found that the British have less numbers than I had anticipated but I accidentally click United States and I got a glimpse as to what they had.
These numbers are astonishing to me. They have nearly trippled my tank count and everything. Its quite scary, but cool in the sense that they will put up a good fight to the death with me.
Here are some numbers:
The tank numbers are kinda scary but the amount of Marines they have is astounding 0_0 !!
These numbers are astonishing to me. They have nearly trippled my tank count and everything. Its quite scary, but cool in the sense that they will put up a good fight to the death with me.
Here are some numbers:
Code:
### Tanks ###
141 - M-26 Pershing's
49 -- M-4 Shermans
15 -- M2A2
41 -- M3 Lee/Grant's
27 -- M-3A1 Stuart's
125 - M-36 Jackson's
132 - M5A1 Stuart's
211 - M-10 Wolverien's
### Land ###
13 -- U.S. Paratroopers
20 -- Heavy Artillery
6 --- US Heavy Artillery
205 - U.S. Marines
396 - U.S. Infantry
### Air ###
40 -- F4F Wildcat's
27 -- P-51 Mustang's
1 --- B-17G
28 -- B-29's
### Sea ###
30 -- Battleship C2's
42 -- Iowa Class BB'sThe tank numbers are kinda scary but the amount of Marines they have is astounding 0_0 !!
Vericitas
Chieftain
Its the same as in my game! They also have only one B-17G Bomber. During the following weeks, nothing changed with that
warmwaffles
Programmer
It ought to be interesting to see how I invade America...do I push through south america on up? do I come through alaska? Do I go through Canada? Or can I be bold and take the east coast on? 
Vericitas
Chieftain
It ought to be interesting to see how I invade America...do I push through south america on up? do I come through alaska? Do I go through Canada? Or can I be bold and take the east coast on?
The best would be to start from the east coast. Take NY and use alot of Artillery.
Have a lot of fun
leonidas 1982
Chieftain
game wise it shouldn't really matter neither campaign should consume much time or resources. Personally i would conquer the balkans and leave iberia moving straight onto barbarossa.
leonidas 1982
Chieftain
sounds like a good idea. In my game japan only started declaring war on soviets once their forces had been reduced and have been pretty successful against them. The ai has many weaknesses but it can smell weakness! However I see from other reports japan can have a tendency to declare at inopportune times!
ww2global2.4_Italy Deity
Nation Summaries for Game Year 1940:
Italy: By week 52, 1939 Italy has: Marseilles, Toulouse, Lyon and Corsica; all of Yugoslavia; Tunis, Alexandria, Suez and Cairo. I make the decision to defend at the bottleneck provided by Suez and to continue South with my 1st African Army toward the source of the Nile to connect with my position in East Africa which has been defending itself since the beginning of the war. My 2nd African Army will use Defensive-Counterattack strategy until I can create a large enough airforce to start an assault againest Algeria and Morrocco. In the meantime I will look to base my Subs in Tunis to continue to defend againest incursions into the Meditteranean Sea.
In succession, Dongola, Khartoum and Port Sudan fall. I now have enough Combat Engineers to start advancing a road as I continue my offense which is necessary since Italy has so few and poor armour units. Mombasa, Mongalla and Kampala fall and the East African Front is secure. The British did not put up any resistance to this point; just existing static units and militia but when I started to attack Dondolla I was faced with SA Inf. Armour and some air power and I had to withdraw and wait for reinforcements. Back to Defense-Counterattack strategy in East Africa. I transferred my air units to Tunisia to take on the French and start the assault againest In Salah, Algiers, Casablanca and Agadir with the support of my navy (mainly my cruisers as I want to reserve my few Battleships (now 7) for Capital Ship engagements. By week 19, 1940 I now control all of North Africa! On week 27 Dondalla falls as the area is no longer receiving reinforcements from India or the British Isles but for the rest of the year I am unable to advance any further into South Africa due to stiff resistance.
From week 20 until the end of 1940 I build roads through the Sahara and conquer: Kindel, Bardei, Tekro, Gao, Agades, Timbuktu, followed by the sub-sahara cities of Mao and Kano. The 2nd African Army then makes an amphibious run to take Nouakchott, and Dakar and then moves inland to conquer Bamako. On week 36 I attempt another amphibious assault againest Abidjan and my force of 6 CAs 4CLs 6DDs 4CLAAs run into 6 KGVs and is slaughtered. I am fortunate not to have lost any transports or assault units (1 Marine, 7 Mtn Inf, 4 M13/40, 4 Mot Inf) which were covered by the Cruisers as they withdrew.
Also on Week 36 I started the assault into the Congo. After terrible losses in Mtn Divisions and Inf I am finally able to take Bangui and Stanleyville but I am stopped in front of Lagos, Nigeria and Kamina.
On the Middle Eastern Front: On Week 17, 1940 I launch my offensive with my newly formed 1st Middle East Army toward Jerusalem and with Air support easily conquer it. Damascus (now the Capital of France) was more difficult because the city was heavily defended; but after the 2 French unsuccessful assaults againest Jerusalem I was able to take the city without any more losses! The British were not counterattacking at all! Instead the Persians sent some forces along the Bagdad-Jerusalem road which were quickly dispatched. I decided to attack Kirkuk next which fell in two weeks then conquered Bagdad, Kuweit, and Khorramshahr which were conquered by week 31. Heavy fighting then ensued with the Persians in the Mountains but in the next 14 weeks and with the newly formed 2nd Middle Eastern Army I was able to take in succession: Ahvaz, Esfehan, Teheran and Mashhad.
The Final Army created in 1940 was the Croatian Army (love those Inf Units.) This Army was specifically designed to help the German Army when Barbarrossa started. (week 23, 1940) I will elaborate in more depth in the German summation but this army conquered the bypassed fortress cities of Odessa, and Sevastopol; the cities of Astrachan, Krasnovodsk, and Samarkand.
Incidental Battles occurred in the single turn Blitzkrieg of Greece (Week 12) and the Conquests of the Islands of Malta (real tough for the pathetic Italian amphibious forces) and Nicosia. I also placed a radar unit on Majorka in case any subs skip past my pickets. After Germany pounds Istanbul I was able to walk in and take it but I was unable to do it with any other Turkish city which the Germans subsequently conquered. I am near the end of my tether and will try to take South Africa next year (I have never done so yet.) I do not have any real opponent cities facing me in the East because the German Advance has gone at least 3 Weeks past my positions so I will "dig in" in the East with perhaps an India Expeditionary Force to support the Japanese advance againest Karachi. I am tempted to make at least one forray into the Atlantic perhaps to take the Panama Canal or San Juan.
Axis Minors: Roumania started the war with the USSR, and Bulgaria started the war with Turkey week 40. Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria did not create the usual problems of blocking roads etc. compared to being the main target of the USSR for their counterattacks especially in the Southern Areas before Leningrad fell. Finland actually deserves mention because of some very successful support including the conquest of Arkhangel'sk, Kotlas and Jaroslavl which they currently hold.
Japan: It is difficult to gain intel because I don't have any "observer" units in Japanese held areas but the main attacks until week 40 were againest National China which did not survive the year. During that period other assaults were made againest Davao (at least 3 -- all unsuccessful; the USA still holds!) Guam, all unsuccessful and the USA still holds Guam as well. Port Moresby which has changed hands a few times. An amphib operation landing in Australia and razing Darwin but repulsed and I assume wiped off of the continent. The Japanese conquered almost all of the Dutch East Indies but the British have successfully taken back Batavia (they currently hold), Banjarmasin, and Palembang both of which have been reconquered
and Kuala Lumpur which has just been razed by the Japanese. The Japanese navy has also never been dominant in the Pacific and I am assuming because the USA and Brit Navies are attempting to obtain superiority. After the 3 USA BBs attacked Italy in 1939 I never saw another BB, CA or CL from either the Brits or the USA attempt to get into the Meditteranean Sea, just DDs and SSs. Starting week 40 the Japanese turned its attention to India and with some seesaw battles and now holds Katmandu, Luchnow, Jaipur, Saigon and all of China, most of the East Indies (Makassar is still Dutch, and Palembang and Batavia are British,) Manila, and all other cities conquered in 1939. When Barbarrossa started, however, the Japanese were unsuccessful in conquering and holding any cities resulting in the razing of Irkutsh, Ulan Bator and Bulgan and an estimated 100+ land units net lost! I could not tell if the USSR razed the cities after the second recapture or not. Japanese razed cities is 6.
Germany: The star of the playtest is shining brightly with offensive after offensive. By the end of 1939 they held all of Western Europe and Poland and by the end of 1940 they have conquered the British Isles, and 50% of the USSR!
The Battle for Britain: From Week 50, 1939 until week 15, 1940 the air and naval war raged across the English Channel resulting in a German victory and the successful AI landing and capture of London week 16, 1940!! In the coming weeks until week 39, 1940 one city after another is captured until only Scapa Flow remains. There are continuing allied landings because I see damaged units returning through my area of observation in Southern Britian and new ones headed North. The USA also recaptured Cardiff for 4 Weeks. Now the only cities not razed are: London, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Dublin and Cardiff which are all German controlled. Total Razed cities on the western front are now 9.
Barbarrossa: Starting week 23 the German Panzers smashed the Armies of the USSR taking 50% of the cities! The new capital of the USSR is now Murmansk which has successfully withstood many attacks by both Finnish and German Units. It is apparantly out of air range of the Luftwaffe (that's what Germany gets for razing 18 USSR cities.) They have linked up with the Japanese in asia but I would not yet count the USSR out yet. They still have more than 400 various forms of Infantry and have not yet started building the T-34. Germany will not have all of those cities that they have razed for production and the Japanese will have their hands full with the British and the USA (the USA has over 300 Marines and 300 Infantry and the most powerful Navy) who seem to be concentrating on the Japanese at present.
Argentina was at war with Brazil most of the year and razed all of the cities they conquered! 11 Cities razed.
IN SUMMARY TO THIS POINT:
1) Neither Production or Economic Changes by themselves can
make the AI more aggressive, they must be combined.
2) I do not think that Defensive Units should be anything but autobuilt by the AI. Even the British built too many militia instead of Inf units which is all Italy basically faced. The French cities were tougher to take.
3) It is not necessary to make the units cheaper for the AI. They have a cost advantage with the Challenge Setting. Too much extra Mod work.
4) The discussion regarding the "no-raze" mod should again be re-visited. If Germany had to defend all of those cities it may have changed the strategy. Perhaps settlers should be reintroduced with some house rules.
To be Continued....................
Nation Summaries for Game Year 1940:
Italy: By week 52, 1939 Italy has: Marseilles, Toulouse, Lyon and Corsica; all of Yugoslavia; Tunis, Alexandria, Suez and Cairo. I make the decision to defend at the bottleneck provided by Suez and to continue South with my 1st African Army toward the source of the Nile to connect with my position in East Africa which has been defending itself since the beginning of the war. My 2nd African Army will use Defensive-Counterattack strategy until I can create a large enough airforce to start an assault againest Algeria and Morrocco. In the meantime I will look to base my Subs in Tunis to continue to defend againest incursions into the Meditteranean Sea.
In succession, Dongola, Khartoum and Port Sudan fall. I now have enough Combat Engineers to start advancing a road as I continue my offense which is necessary since Italy has so few and poor armour units. Mombasa, Mongalla and Kampala fall and the East African Front is secure. The British did not put up any resistance to this point; just existing static units and militia but when I started to attack Dondolla I was faced with SA Inf. Armour and some air power and I had to withdraw and wait for reinforcements. Back to Defense-Counterattack strategy in East Africa. I transferred my air units to Tunisia to take on the French and start the assault againest In Salah, Algiers, Casablanca and Agadir with the support of my navy (mainly my cruisers as I want to reserve my few Battleships (now 7) for Capital Ship engagements. By week 19, 1940 I now control all of North Africa! On week 27 Dondalla falls as the area is no longer receiving reinforcements from India or the British Isles but for the rest of the year I am unable to advance any further into South Africa due to stiff resistance.
From week 20 until the end of 1940 I build roads through the Sahara and conquer: Kindel, Bardei, Tekro, Gao, Agades, Timbuktu, followed by the sub-sahara cities of Mao and Kano. The 2nd African Army then makes an amphibious run to take Nouakchott, and Dakar and then moves inland to conquer Bamako. On week 36 I attempt another amphibious assault againest Abidjan and my force of 6 CAs 4CLs 6DDs 4CLAAs run into 6 KGVs and is slaughtered. I am fortunate not to have lost any transports or assault units (1 Marine, 7 Mtn Inf, 4 M13/40, 4 Mot Inf) which were covered by the Cruisers as they withdrew.
Also on Week 36 I started the assault into the Congo. After terrible losses in Mtn Divisions and Inf I am finally able to take Bangui and Stanleyville but I am stopped in front of Lagos, Nigeria and Kamina.
On the Middle Eastern Front: On Week 17, 1940 I launch my offensive with my newly formed 1st Middle East Army toward Jerusalem and with Air support easily conquer it. Damascus (now the Capital of France) was more difficult because the city was heavily defended; but after the 2 French unsuccessful assaults againest Jerusalem I was able to take the city without any more losses! The British were not counterattacking at all! Instead the Persians sent some forces along the Bagdad-Jerusalem road which were quickly dispatched. I decided to attack Kirkuk next which fell in two weeks then conquered Bagdad, Kuweit, and Khorramshahr which were conquered by week 31. Heavy fighting then ensued with the Persians in the Mountains but in the next 14 weeks and with the newly formed 2nd Middle Eastern Army I was able to take in succession: Ahvaz, Esfehan, Teheran and Mashhad.
The Final Army created in 1940 was the Croatian Army (love those Inf Units.) This Army was specifically designed to help the German Army when Barbarrossa started. (week 23, 1940) I will elaborate in more depth in the German summation but this army conquered the bypassed fortress cities of Odessa, and Sevastopol; the cities of Astrachan, Krasnovodsk, and Samarkand.
Incidental Battles occurred in the single turn Blitzkrieg of Greece (Week 12) and the Conquests of the Islands of Malta (real tough for the pathetic Italian amphibious forces) and Nicosia. I also placed a radar unit on Majorka in case any subs skip past my pickets. After Germany pounds Istanbul I was able to walk in and take it but I was unable to do it with any other Turkish city which the Germans subsequently conquered. I am near the end of my tether and will try to take South Africa next year (I have never done so yet.) I do not have any real opponent cities facing me in the East because the German Advance has gone at least 3 Weeks past my positions so I will "dig in" in the East with perhaps an India Expeditionary Force to support the Japanese advance againest Karachi. I am tempted to make at least one forray into the Atlantic perhaps to take the Panama Canal or San Juan.
Axis Minors: Roumania started the war with the USSR, and Bulgaria started the war with Turkey week 40. Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria did not create the usual problems of blocking roads etc. compared to being the main target of the USSR for their counterattacks especially in the Southern Areas before Leningrad fell. Finland actually deserves mention because of some very successful support including the conquest of Arkhangel'sk, Kotlas and Jaroslavl which they currently hold.
Japan: It is difficult to gain intel because I don't have any "observer" units in Japanese held areas but the main attacks until week 40 were againest National China which did not survive the year. During that period other assaults were made againest Davao (at least 3 -- all unsuccessful; the USA still holds!) Guam, all unsuccessful and the USA still holds Guam as well. Port Moresby which has changed hands a few times. An amphib operation landing in Australia and razing Darwin but repulsed and I assume wiped off of the continent. The Japanese conquered almost all of the Dutch East Indies but the British have successfully taken back Batavia (they currently hold), Banjarmasin, and Palembang both of which have been reconquered
and Kuala Lumpur which has just been razed by the Japanese. The Japanese navy has also never been dominant in the Pacific and I am assuming because the USA and Brit Navies are attempting to obtain superiority. After the 3 USA BBs attacked Italy in 1939 I never saw another BB, CA or CL from either the Brits or the USA attempt to get into the Meditteranean Sea, just DDs and SSs. Starting week 40 the Japanese turned its attention to India and with some seesaw battles and now holds Katmandu, Luchnow, Jaipur, Saigon and all of China, most of the East Indies (Makassar is still Dutch, and Palembang and Batavia are British,) Manila, and all other cities conquered in 1939. When Barbarrossa started, however, the Japanese were unsuccessful in conquering and holding any cities resulting in the razing of Irkutsh, Ulan Bator and Bulgan and an estimated 100+ land units net lost! I could not tell if the USSR razed the cities after the second recapture or not. Japanese razed cities is 6.
Germany: The star of the playtest is shining brightly with offensive after offensive. By the end of 1939 they held all of Western Europe and Poland and by the end of 1940 they have conquered the British Isles, and 50% of the USSR!
The Battle for Britain: From Week 50, 1939 until week 15, 1940 the air and naval war raged across the English Channel resulting in a German victory and the successful AI landing and capture of London week 16, 1940!! In the coming weeks until week 39, 1940 one city after another is captured until only Scapa Flow remains. There are continuing allied landings because I see damaged units returning through my area of observation in Southern Britian and new ones headed North. The USA also recaptured Cardiff for 4 Weeks. Now the only cities not razed are: London, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Dublin and Cardiff which are all German controlled. Total Razed cities on the western front are now 9.
Barbarrossa: Starting week 23 the German Panzers smashed the Armies of the USSR taking 50% of the cities! The new capital of the USSR is now Murmansk which has successfully withstood many attacks by both Finnish and German Units. It is apparantly out of air range of the Luftwaffe (that's what Germany gets for razing 18 USSR cities.) They have linked up with the Japanese in asia but I would not yet count the USSR out yet. They still have more than 400 various forms of Infantry and have not yet started building the T-34. Germany will not have all of those cities that they have razed for production and the Japanese will have their hands full with the British and the USA (the USA has over 300 Marines and 300 Infantry and the most powerful Navy) who seem to be concentrating on the Japanese at present.
Argentina was at war with Brazil most of the year and razed all of the cities they conquered! 11 Cities razed.
IN SUMMARY TO THIS POINT:
1) Neither Production or Economic Changes by themselves can
make the AI more aggressive, they must be combined.
2) I do not think that Defensive Units should be anything but autobuilt by the AI. Even the British built too many militia instead of Inf units which is all Italy basically faced. The French cities were tougher to take.
3) It is not necessary to make the units cheaper for the AI. They have a cost advantage with the Challenge Setting. Too much extra Mod work.
4) The discussion regarding the "no-raze" mod should again be re-visited. If Germany had to defend all of those cities it may have changed the strategy. Perhaps settlers should be reintroduced with some house rules.
To be Continued....................
Unfortunately the "no-raze" patch truly is a "patch", not a mod. It modifies the civ3conquests.exe file and will apply to all games you play using the patched .exe, including saved games in progress. The patch should be reversible though by restoring a backup of the original .exe and using that to launch the game.
Yui108,
However my impression from reports is that Netherlands and Belgium
will not be a problem for the German offensive in the west.
Rocoteh
cubsfan6506,
I regard the current French Order of Battle as very accurate.
Thus the Reinforced French Infantry Divisions reflects the fact that a large
number of armored battalions was spread out to support the infantry.
Rocoteh
Drivebymaster,
Thank you for the stats.
I am disturbed by the fact that US AI have produced so few air units.
Then production is very hard to direct with editor.
In the current version of WW2-Global Off. Land units, Def. Land units,
Naval units and Air units have been flagged for "Build Often".
Rocoteh
Aecon,
Thank you for the report.
"ww2global2.4_Italy Deity
Nation Summaries for Game Year 1940:
Italy: By week 52, 1939 Italy has: Marseilles, Toulouse, Lyon and Corsica; all of Yugoslavia; Tunis, Alexandria, Suez and Cairo. I make the decision to defend at the bottleneck provided by Suez and to continue South with my 1st African Army toward the source of the Nile to connect with my position in East Africa which has been defending itself since the beginning of the war. My 2nd African Army will use Defensive-Counterattack strategy until I can create a large enough airforce to start an assault againest Algeria and Morrocco. In the meantime I will look to base my Subs in Tunis to continue to defend againest incursions into the Meditteranean Sea."
Aecon
A very good result considering the high level you play on!
"In succession, Dongola, Khartoum and Port Sudan fall. I now have enough Combat Engineers to start advancing a road as I continue my offense which is necessary since Italy has so few and poor armour units. Mombasa, Mongalla and Kampala fall and the East African Front is secure. The British did not put up any resistance to this point; just existing static units and militia but when I started to attack Dondolla I was faced with SA Inf. Armour and some air power and I had to withdraw and wait for reinforcements. Back to Defense-Counterattack strategy in East Africa. I transferred my air units to Tunisia to take on the French and start the assault againest In Salah, Algiers, Casablanca and Agadir with the support of my navy (mainly my cruisers as I want to reserve my few Battleships (now 7) for Capital Ship engagements. By week 19, 1940 I now control all of North Africa! On week 27 Dondalla falls as the area is no longer receiving reinforcements from India or the British Isles but for the rest of the year I am unable to advance any further into South Africa due to stiff resistance."
Aecon
Probably you will be able to occupy most of Africa from these positions.
"From week 20 until the end of 1940 I build roads through the Sahara and conquer: Kindel, Bardei, Tekro, Gao, Agades, Timbuktu, followed by the sub-sahara cities of Mao and Kano. The 2nd African Army then makes an amphibious run to take Nouakchott, and Dakar and then moves inland to conquer Bamako. On week 36 I attempt another amphibious assault againest Abidjan and my force of 6 CAs 4CLs 6DDs 4CLAAs run into 6 KGVs and is slaughtered. I am fortunate not to have lost any transports or assault units (1 Marine, 7 Mtn Inf, 4 M13/40, 4 Mot Inf) which were covered by the Cruisers as they withdrew.
Also on Week 36 I started the assault into the Congo. After terrible losses in Mtn Divisions and Inf I am finally able to take Bangui and Stanleyville but I am stopped in front of Lagos, Nigeria and Kamina."
Aecon
Still very good results.
"On the Middle Eastern Front: On Week 17, 1940 I launch my offensive with my newly formed 1st Middle East Army toward Jerusalem and with Air support easily conquer it. Damascus (now the Capital of France) was more difficult because the city was heavily defended; but after the 2 French unsuccessful assaults againest Jerusalem I was able to take the city without any more losses! The British were not counterattacking at all! Instead the Persians sent some forces along the Bagdad-Jerusalem road which were quickly dispatched. I decided to attack Kirkuk next which fell in two weeks then conquered Bagdad, Kuweit, and Khorramshahr which were conquered by week 31. Heavy fighting then ensued with the Persians in the Mountains but in the next 14 weeks and with the newly formed 2nd Middle Eastern Army I was able to take in succession: Ahvaz, Esfehan, Teheran and Mashhad."
Aecon
I am surprised by the low respons from Britain in this area.
"The Final Army created in 1940 was the Croatian Army (love those Inf Units.) This Army was specifically designed to help the German Army when Barbarrossa started. (week 23, 1940) I will elaborate in more depth in the German summation but this army conquered the bypassed fortress cities of Odessa, and Sevastopol; the cities of Astrachan, Krasnovodsk, and Samarkand.
Incidental Battles occurred in the single turn Blitzkrieg of Greece (Week 12) and the Conquests of the Islands of Malta (real tough for the pathetic Italian amphibious forces) and Nicosia. I also placed a radar unit on Majorka in case any subs skip past my pickets. After Germany pounds Istanbul I was able to walk in and take it but I was unable to do it with any other Turkish city which the Germans subsequently conquered. I am near the end of my tether and will try to take South Africa next year (I have never done so yet.) I do not have any real opponent cities facing me in the East because the German Advance has gone at least 3 Weeks past my positions so I will "dig in" in the East with perhaps an India Expeditionary Force to support the Japanese advance againest Karachi. I am tempted to make at least one forray into the Atlantic perhaps to take the Panama Canal or San Juan."
Aecon
It will probably be possible to occupy the Panama canal.
Then the US counterattacks will be heavy of course.
"Axis Minors: Roumania started the war with the USSR, and Bulgaria started the war with Turkey week 40. Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria did not create the usual problems of blocking roads etc. compared to being the main target of the USSR for their counterattacks especially in the Southern Areas before Leningrad fell. Finland actually deserves mention because of some very successful support including the conquest of Arkhangel'sk, Kotlas and Jaroslavl which they currently hold."
Aecon
Maybe the scenario worked better when the Axis Minors were a part
of Germany. I welcome comments on that issue.
"Japan: It is difficult to gain intel because I don't have any "observer" units in Japanese held areas but the main attacks until week 40 were againest National China which did not survive the year. During that period other assaults were made againest Davao (at least 3 -- all unsuccessful; the USA still holds!) Guam, all unsuccessful and the USA still holds Guam as well. Port Moresby which has changed hands a few times. An amphib operation landing in Australia and razing Darwin but repulsed and I assume wiped off of the continent. The Japanese conquered almost all of the Dutch East Indies but the British have successfully taken back Batavia (they currently hold), Banjarmasin, and Palembang both of which have been reconquered
and Kuala Lumpur which has just been razed by the Japanese. The Japanese navy has also never been dominant in the Pacific and I am assuming because the USA and Brit Navies are attempting to obtain superiority. After the 3 USA BBs attacked Italy in 1939 I never saw another BB, CA or CL from either the Brits or the USA attempt to get into the Meditteranean Sea, just DDs and SSs. Starting week 40 the Japanese turned its attention to India and with some seesaw battles and now holds Katmandu, Luchnow, Jaipur, Saigon and all of China, most of the East Indies (Makassar is still Dutch, and Palembang and Batavia are British,) Manila, and all other cities conquered in 1939. When Barbarrossa started, however, the Japanese were unsuccessful in conquering and holding any cities resulting in the razing of Irkutsh, Ulan Bator and Bulgan and an estimated 100+ land units net lost! I could not tell if the USSR razed the cities after the second recapture or not. Japanese razed cities is 6."
Aecon
Nationalist-China knocked out before the end of 1940!
For sure that is not good.
I will consider to have a united China in version 2.5.
"Germany: The star of the playtest is shining brightly with offensive after offensive. By the end of 1939 they held all of Western Europe and Poland and by the end of 1940 they have conquered the British Isles, and 50% of the USSR!"
Aecon
That is very positive since Germany-AI plays so weak in many
other playtests reported.
"The Battle for Britain: From Week 50, 1939 until week 15, 1940 the air and naval war raged across the English Channel resulting in a German victory and the successful AI landing and capture of London week 16, 1940!! In the coming weeks until week 39, 1940 one city after another is captured until only Scapa Flow remains. There are continuing allied landings because I see damaged units returning through my area of observation in Southern Britian and new ones headed North. The USA also recaptured Cardiff for 4 Weeks. Now the only cities not razed are: London, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Dublin and Cardiff which are all German controlled. Total Razed cities on the western front are now 9."
Aecon
It seems like AI will raze much more cities in this playtest compared
to other reported.
"Barbarrossa: Starting week 23 the German Panzers smashed the Armies of the USSR taking 50% of the cities! The new capital of the USSR is now Murmansk which has successfully withstood many attacks by both Finnish and German Units. It is apparantly out of air range of the Luftwaffe (that's what Germany gets for razing 18 USSR cities.) They have linked up with the Japanese in asia but I would not yet count the USSR out yet. They still have more than 400 various forms of Infantry and have not yet started building the T-34. Germany will not have all of those cities that they have razed for production and the Japanese will have their hands full with the British and the USA (the USA has over 300 Marines and 300 Infantry and the most powerful Navy) who seem to be concentrating on the Japanese at present.
Argentina was at war with Brazil most of the year and razed all of the cities they conquered! 11 Cities razed."
Aecon
Its hard to explain why AI raze so many cities in this playtest.
Its seems like the wonders give no protection here.
"IN SUMMARY TO THIS POINT:
1) Neither Production or Economic Changes by themselves can
make the AI more aggressive, they must be combined.
2) I do not think that Defensive Units should be anything but autobuilt by the AI. Even the British built too many militia instead of Inf units which is all Italy basically faced. The French cities were tougher to take.
3) It is not necessary to make the units cheaper for the AI. They have a cost advantage with the Challenge Setting. Too much extra Mod work.
4) The discussion regarding the "no-raze" mod should again be re-visited. If Germany had to defend all of those cities it may have changed the strategy. Perhaps settlers should be reintroduced with some house rules."
Aecon
Its now more then two years since Firaxis dropped their support
for Civ 3.
CFC-members have send letters and E-mails to them on important issues.
(The editor, source code and the "no-raze" patch.)
So far they have been met with silence......
Thus I will not consider to include the "no-raze" patch with the scenario
until Firaxis states that the patch is no legal problem.
Thank you for the report and welcome back.
Rocoteh
Thank you for the report.
"ww2global2.4_Italy Deity
Nation Summaries for Game Year 1940:
Italy: By week 52, 1939 Italy has: Marseilles, Toulouse, Lyon and Corsica; all of Yugoslavia; Tunis, Alexandria, Suez and Cairo. I make the decision to defend at the bottleneck provided by Suez and to continue South with my 1st African Army toward the source of the Nile to connect with my position in East Africa which has been defending itself since the beginning of the war. My 2nd African Army will use Defensive-Counterattack strategy until I can create a large enough airforce to start an assault againest Algeria and Morrocco. In the meantime I will look to base my Subs in Tunis to continue to defend againest incursions into the Meditteranean Sea."
Aecon
A very good result considering the high level you play on!
"In succession, Dongola, Khartoum and Port Sudan fall. I now have enough Combat Engineers to start advancing a road as I continue my offense which is necessary since Italy has so few and poor armour units. Mombasa, Mongalla and Kampala fall and the East African Front is secure. The British did not put up any resistance to this point; just existing static units and militia but when I started to attack Dondolla I was faced with SA Inf. Armour and some air power and I had to withdraw and wait for reinforcements. Back to Defense-Counterattack strategy in East Africa. I transferred my air units to Tunisia to take on the French and start the assault againest In Salah, Algiers, Casablanca and Agadir with the support of my navy (mainly my cruisers as I want to reserve my few Battleships (now 7) for Capital Ship engagements. By week 19, 1940 I now control all of North Africa! On week 27 Dondalla falls as the area is no longer receiving reinforcements from India or the British Isles but for the rest of the year I am unable to advance any further into South Africa due to stiff resistance."
Aecon
Probably you will be able to occupy most of Africa from these positions.
"From week 20 until the end of 1940 I build roads through the Sahara and conquer: Kindel, Bardei, Tekro, Gao, Agades, Timbuktu, followed by the sub-sahara cities of Mao and Kano. The 2nd African Army then makes an amphibious run to take Nouakchott, and Dakar and then moves inland to conquer Bamako. On week 36 I attempt another amphibious assault againest Abidjan and my force of 6 CAs 4CLs 6DDs 4CLAAs run into 6 KGVs and is slaughtered. I am fortunate not to have lost any transports or assault units (1 Marine, 7 Mtn Inf, 4 M13/40, 4 Mot Inf) which were covered by the Cruisers as they withdrew.
Also on Week 36 I started the assault into the Congo. After terrible losses in Mtn Divisions and Inf I am finally able to take Bangui and Stanleyville but I am stopped in front of Lagos, Nigeria and Kamina."
Aecon
Still very good results.
"On the Middle Eastern Front: On Week 17, 1940 I launch my offensive with my newly formed 1st Middle East Army toward Jerusalem and with Air support easily conquer it. Damascus (now the Capital of France) was more difficult because the city was heavily defended; but after the 2 French unsuccessful assaults againest Jerusalem I was able to take the city without any more losses! The British were not counterattacking at all! Instead the Persians sent some forces along the Bagdad-Jerusalem road which were quickly dispatched. I decided to attack Kirkuk next which fell in two weeks then conquered Bagdad, Kuweit, and Khorramshahr which were conquered by week 31. Heavy fighting then ensued with the Persians in the Mountains but in the next 14 weeks and with the newly formed 2nd Middle Eastern Army I was able to take in succession: Ahvaz, Esfehan, Teheran and Mashhad."
Aecon
I am surprised by the low respons from Britain in this area.
"The Final Army created in 1940 was the Croatian Army (love those Inf Units.) This Army was specifically designed to help the German Army when Barbarrossa started. (week 23, 1940) I will elaborate in more depth in the German summation but this army conquered the bypassed fortress cities of Odessa, and Sevastopol; the cities of Astrachan, Krasnovodsk, and Samarkand.
Incidental Battles occurred in the single turn Blitzkrieg of Greece (Week 12) and the Conquests of the Islands of Malta (real tough for the pathetic Italian amphibious forces) and Nicosia. I also placed a radar unit on Majorka in case any subs skip past my pickets. After Germany pounds Istanbul I was able to walk in and take it but I was unable to do it with any other Turkish city which the Germans subsequently conquered. I am near the end of my tether and will try to take South Africa next year (I have never done so yet.) I do not have any real opponent cities facing me in the East because the German Advance has gone at least 3 Weeks past my positions so I will "dig in" in the East with perhaps an India Expeditionary Force to support the Japanese advance againest Karachi. I am tempted to make at least one forray into the Atlantic perhaps to take the Panama Canal or San Juan."
Aecon
It will probably be possible to occupy the Panama canal.
Then the US counterattacks will be heavy of course.
"Axis Minors: Roumania started the war with the USSR, and Bulgaria started the war with Turkey week 40. Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria did not create the usual problems of blocking roads etc. compared to being the main target of the USSR for their counterattacks especially in the Southern Areas before Leningrad fell. Finland actually deserves mention because of some very successful support including the conquest of Arkhangel'sk, Kotlas and Jaroslavl which they currently hold."
Aecon
Maybe the scenario worked better when the Axis Minors were a part
of Germany. I welcome comments on that issue.
"Japan: It is difficult to gain intel because I don't have any "observer" units in Japanese held areas but the main attacks until week 40 were againest National China which did not survive the year. During that period other assaults were made againest Davao (at least 3 -- all unsuccessful; the USA still holds!) Guam, all unsuccessful and the USA still holds Guam as well. Port Moresby which has changed hands a few times. An amphib operation landing in Australia and razing Darwin but repulsed and I assume wiped off of the continent. The Japanese conquered almost all of the Dutch East Indies but the British have successfully taken back Batavia (they currently hold), Banjarmasin, and Palembang both of which have been reconquered
and Kuala Lumpur which has just been razed by the Japanese. The Japanese navy has also never been dominant in the Pacific and I am assuming because the USA and Brit Navies are attempting to obtain superiority. After the 3 USA BBs attacked Italy in 1939 I never saw another BB, CA or CL from either the Brits or the USA attempt to get into the Meditteranean Sea, just DDs and SSs. Starting week 40 the Japanese turned its attention to India and with some seesaw battles and now holds Katmandu, Luchnow, Jaipur, Saigon and all of China, most of the East Indies (Makassar is still Dutch, and Palembang and Batavia are British,) Manila, and all other cities conquered in 1939. When Barbarrossa started, however, the Japanese were unsuccessful in conquering and holding any cities resulting in the razing of Irkutsh, Ulan Bator and Bulgan and an estimated 100+ land units net lost! I could not tell if the USSR razed the cities after the second recapture or not. Japanese razed cities is 6."
Aecon
Nationalist-China knocked out before the end of 1940!
For sure that is not good.
I will consider to have a united China in version 2.5.
"Germany: The star of the playtest is shining brightly with offensive after offensive. By the end of 1939 they held all of Western Europe and Poland and by the end of 1940 they have conquered the British Isles, and 50% of the USSR!"
Aecon
That is very positive since Germany-AI plays so weak in many
other playtests reported.
"The Battle for Britain: From Week 50, 1939 until week 15, 1940 the air and naval war raged across the English Channel resulting in a German victory and the successful AI landing and capture of London week 16, 1940!! In the coming weeks until week 39, 1940 one city after another is captured until only Scapa Flow remains. There are continuing allied landings because I see damaged units returning through my area of observation in Southern Britian and new ones headed North. The USA also recaptured Cardiff for 4 Weeks. Now the only cities not razed are: London, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Dublin and Cardiff which are all German controlled. Total Razed cities on the western front are now 9."
Aecon
It seems like AI will raze much more cities in this playtest compared
to other reported.
"Barbarrossa: Starting week 23 the German Panzers smashed the Armies of the USSR taking 50% of the cities! The new capital of the USSR is now Murmansk which has successfully withstood many attacks by both Finnish and German Units. It is apparantly out of air range of the Luftwaffe (that's what Germany gets for razing 18 USSR cities.) They have linked up with the Japanese in asia but I would not yet count the USSR out yet. They still have more than 400 various forms of Infantry and have not yet started building the T-34. Germany will not have all of those cities that they have razed for production and the Japanese will have their hands full with the British and the USA (the USA has over 300 Marines and 300 Infantry and the most powerful Navy) who seem to be concentrating on the Japanese at present.
Argentina was at war with Brazil most of the year and razed all of the cities they conquered! 11 Cities razed."
Aecon
Its hard to explain why AI raze so many cities in this playtest.
Its seems like the wonders give no protection here.
"IN SUMMARY TO THIS POINT:
1) Neither Production or Economic Changes by themselves can
make the AI more aggressive, they must be combined.
2) I do not think that Defensive Units should be anything but autobuilt by the AI. Even the British built too many militia instead of Inf units which is all Italy basically faced. The French cities were tougher to take.
3) It is not necessary to make the units cheaper for the AI. They have a cost advantage with the Challenge Setting. Too much extra Mod work.
4) The discussion regarding the "no-raze" mod should again be re-visited. If Germany had to defend all of those cities it may have changed the strategy. Perhaps settlers should be reintroduced with some house rules."
Aecon
Its now more then two years since Firaxis dropped their support
for Civ 3.
CFC-members have send letters and E-mails to them on important issues.
(The editor, source code and the "no-raze" patch.)
So far they have been met with silence......
Thus I will not consider to include the "no-raze" patch with the scenario
until Firaxis states that the patch is no legal problem.
Thank you for the report and welcome back.
Rocoteh
at the start of a turn in mid '42 as I recall
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
This is my reply to 2K Jason. He did not really answer my post. Nor I really expected such an answer really. He is doing his job. And the officials try to avoid an answer, as they fear a massive use of illegal copies on the one side, OTOH but also bad PR. I do not expect to hear from them. So as Jason admits he is in no way responsible we are at the beginning of the circle.
There are several further possibilities now how to go on. One is to demand an answer by a responsible. That I already did with my last PM to Jason. As he is no official in a responsible position there is still no definitve answer. Another post of this kind might be too much. The clock is already running.
Another possibility is to ignore them like they did. There are several hints that such an action would never lead to massive problems. Ones the EULAs are IMO all void as they were no part of the contract when the licence was bought. Then their agreeing of the patch of the German PC Games Magazine. Then their no answering/ ignoring of our questions. And not to forget bad PR of a firm trying to stop the fans making mods, something which is vital for the civ series. All these points lead to a very bad legal position if they want to make trouble.
However such a direct conflict I do not suggest. Indeed we should make a link on the pages of the patches and how to use them. With a legal warning. That should be enough to keep them away, too.
BTW, I think they somehow lost the code of Civ III. That's why they allowed to distribute the patch by PC Games. And no further official patch will happen.
Anyway what do you think?
Adler
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