Xinhai Revolution - 100 Years Anniversary

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The defense rests.

 

[ParkCungHee]

If people think Sun was an incompetent revolutionary, they need to read up on some incompetent revolutionaries.

 

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If people think Sun was an incompetent revolutionary, they need to read up on some incompetent revolutionaries.

I dunno much about Sun Yat-sen. Is he worse than Alexander Kerensky, who is the established canon for incompetent revolutionaries?

 

[Dachs]

what

Kerensky was a revolutionary only under the loosest possible definition of "revolutionary"

 

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February Revolution is not revolution?

 

[ParkCungHee]

I dunno much about Sun Yat-sen. Is he worse than Alexander Kerensky, who is the established canon for incompetent revolutionaries?

Irish history teaches you to appreciate how bad revolutionaries can actually be. We made so many bad revolutionaries we had to export them to England, Australia and Canada. Padraig Pearse seems the proper standard for "incompetent revolutionary" to me.

 

[innonimatu]

The writing on the photograph appears to say it's the other way around....

Oh, a practical lesson on how history gets written: how a source can be made to can serve either side!

February Revolution is not revolution?

Only the first act of one, which Kerensky seemed to believe could be made a non-event. That whole continuing the war thing...

 

[Masada]

Masada was referring to the Filipino Revolution I believe.

Yes, I was.

Though if you count the short-lived Republics of Ezo and Formosa, and the obscure Kongsi republics of Borneo, and the dubious Iranian Constitutional Revolution of 1905, this would make Xinhai at least the sixth Asian Democratic Revolution.

Ehhhhh good point. Except the Kongsi were formed via Revolutions as such.

 

[aelf]

No credit to me for being first to name the right country

 

[Masada]

Mmm lots of credit

 

[Lord Baal]

If people think Sun was an incompetent revolutionary, they need to read up on some incompetent revolutionaries.

Sun kind of gets credit for being the most incompetent revolutionary to actually succeed in the revolution. Something the Irish never even came close to.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

Thank you, aelf!

The Philippines is pretty much absent from the curriculum in my parts of the world. E.g. Braudel just mentions "an internal rebellion".

And in any case, Manila 1898 is small fry compared to Xinhai.

 

[Lord Baal]

Thank you, aelf!

The Philippines is pretty much absent from the curriculum in my parts of the world. E.g. Braudel just mentions "an internal rebellion".

And in any case, Manila 1898 is small fry compared to Xinhai.

The Philippines is a democracy now, in large part due to the inability of the Americans to fully silence Aguinaldo's supporters, even after his capture. How's China doing?

 

[Masada]

And in any case, Manila 1898 is small fry compared to Xinhai.

I don't see what size has to do with anything.

 

[aelf]

Mmm lots of credit

Thank you, aelf!

Aww, I feel warm and fuzzy now

 

[ParkCungHee]

Sun kind of gets credit for being the most incompetent revolutionary to actually succeed in the revolution. Something the Irish never even came close to.

Pearse actually gets credit for succeeding in his revolution though.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

I don't see what size has to do with anything.

I was mainly trying to bring the thread back across the East China Sea and onto the original topic. While I'm sure that 1898 is very significant if you live in Manila, the fact that the Xinhai Revolution was a half-cocked mutiny has affected billions of lives. Imagine if Yuan Shikai had been as competent, modest, and healthy as Ataturk....