Youtube maps of the future Balkans...

[ParkCungHee]

What does that entail? Are we just talking 32 Counties + Mann + Highlands & Isles, or did you have something grander in mind?

Well, first of all, Iceland and the Shetlands are clearly ours. Discovered and settled by Irish Monks, until barbarous Vikings came and despoiled it, as they have done until this day.
Scotland, by definition, belongs to the Scots, who are now called the Irish. Modern Scots are a fictitious people derived from true Scots (Irishmen). Once they're under real Scottish Rule, Scotland will realize this.
The coast of western England, and Wales of course also belongs, as it had before the arrival of the English, and every other nasty thing in the world. There's still Ogham stones marking this, they stand out as pieces of art the English have never been able to reproduce.


Can our Balkan posters grade this and see if this is up to local standards?

 

[NedimNapoleon]

WEAK! You need the Ireland to Tokio method or that they should inherit the whole British Empire.

 

[Masada]

Irish monks discovered the Americas first.

 

[del62]

The Irish have already taken over everywhere with the bloody themed bars.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

We ought to just restore the Ottoman Empire to sort out all this 'border' business.

Resurrect the Sick Man of Europe? Who do you think you are, Jesus?

 

[Antilogic]

I did a quick search to see if anyone has reversed A-H into some kind of Hungaro-Austrian empire, but didn't see one on the first page.

Have been coming across the teenage-quality-crafted WW3 paint videos too, the comment sections are usually a joy.

 

[Masada]

Resurrect the Sick Man of Europe? Who do you think you are, Jesus?

Given how screwed Greece is, it wouldn't be all that hard.

 

[TheLastOne36]

What is the Kresy region? I never really delved into much of the Eastern European geography.

Basically the cities of Lwow, Luck, Bresc, Grodno, Vilnius among others whom were once firmly part of the Polish heartland, before the Soviets deported all the Poles living there.

I made a map a while ago with Poland+ these regions. Don't know if it's thread-relevant as I made the map on the idea of attempting to be realistic. (And I was fairly modest in regards to Lithuania and Belarus I think)

(Yes I know it says Bydgoszcz where Bialystok is supposed to be)

 

[Masada]

That's a rather modest map. I mean there's some questionable stuff; but most of that was at least Polish (or had Poles in it) in the not so distant past.

 

[Winner]

We ought to just restore the Ottoman Empire to sort out all this 'border' business.

I agree.

The existence of the Ottoman Empire is the sole reason the Balkans is in such a mess, ethno-geographically speaking.

 

[Veles]

Basically the cities of Lwow, Luck, Bresc, Grodno, Vilnius among others whom were once firmly part of the Polish heartland, before the Soviets deported all the Poles living there. I made a map a while ago with Poland+ these regions. Don't know if it's thread-relevant as I made the map on the idea of attempting to be realistic. (And I was fairly modest in regards to Lithuania and Belarus I think)

All those cities were established by Rus' princes and populated by Russians (as in of the Rus') until they were treacherously taken by Lithuanians when there was little opposition in the devastated Southern Rus'. Then they were incorporated by Poles, who imposed their heretical faith upon the good Godfearing Rus' folk. Of course they were eventually Polonised. All by the way, by the end of Polish reign those cites were ~50% Jewish. Good work, Poles!

Those cites (except Brest) were initially Russian, they were taken by force, and they were claimed back by force. The circle is complete, fair play, everyone.

Seriosly, bro, the only somewhat reasonable claim is Berestye (Bresc). It was established, apparently, by local lechitic Slavs, but wasn't a part of any actual state until it was taken by Kiev in 11th century. So we both have valid claims, but one day, we may graciously present it to you (if the locals won't mind. And they would.), in exchange of your eternal loyalty to Slavic cause (as opposed to usual selling out to West) and perpetual friendship with Russia

 

[Masada]

The existence of the Ottoman Empire is the sole reason the Balkans is in such a mess, ethno-geographically speaking.

Eh? Insufficient genocide and ethnic cleansing?

 

[Arwon]

Well, first of all, Iceland and the Shetlands are clearly ours. Discovered and settled by Irish Monks, until barbarous Vikings came and despoiled it, as they have done until this day.
Scotland, by definition, belongs to the Scots, who are now called the Irish. Modern Scots are a fictitious people derived from true Scots (Irishmen). Once they're under real Scottish Rule, Scotland will realize this.
The coast of western England, and Wales of course also belongs, as it had before the arrival of the English, and every other nasty thing in the world. There's still Ogham stones marking this, they stand out as pieces of art the English have never been able to reproduce.


Can our Balkan posters grade this and see if this is up to local standards?

Could claim Australia since this place was built on convict labour from there or something but not really.

 

[Masada]

Irish aren't people.

 

[Winner]

Eh? Insufficient genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Suppressed independent development, fossilized borders, institutionalized divisions along religious lines, etc. etc. etc. If Balkan nations had been left to sort their differences on their own, they'd have done it centuries ago - without automatic rifles, long-range artillery, concentration camps, and other modern inventions. We'd have a more or less stable region split into several ethnically homogeneous nation states with only small minorities present, not a hodgepodge of languages and religions inside arbitrary political borders.

 

[Masada]

Ah, right. Insufficient ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Sane continents would just opt for civic nationalism.

 

[Winner]

Ah, right. Insufficient ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Sane continents would just opt for civic nationalism.

Sane continents? Which ones? At the times I am talking about, Amerindians, Africans, and Asians were fighting and ethnically cleansing each other just as happily as the Europeans.

The point is that the existence of the Ottoman Empire stopped the natural flow of history in the Balkans, fossilized many of the existing conflicts, introduced new ones (Islam=bloodshed, inevitably), and thus when it finally collapsed due to its oriental backwardness, the whole region was thrown into an accelerated, extremely violent readjustment. They needed to catch up with history, metaphorically speaking, only now they did that with modern weapons and correspondingly higher body count.

 

[Traitorfish]

Suppressed independent development, fossilized borders, institutionalized divisions along religious lines, etc. etc. etc. If Balkan nations had been left to sort their differences on their own, they'd have done it centuries ago - without automatic rifles, long-range artillery, concentration camps, and other modern inventions. We'd have a more or less stable region split into several ethnically homogeneous nation states with only small minorities present, not a hodgepodge of languages and religions inside arbitrary political borders.

I'm honestly struggling to think what other region on Earth has spontaneously developed a widespread ethnic homogeneity. Usually that sort of thing only occurs when somebody makes up a bunch of new ethnicities for everyone to be a member of.

natural flow of history

The what now?

 

[NedimNapoleon]

(Islam=bloodshed, inevitably)

Are you serious? Any newly introduced religion (not just religion, even ideology) can cause bloodshed! And if you're talking about "then we wouldn't have the Bosnian and Albanian problems" you've got to be mistaken, look at Montenegro, it has 500000 people, small, they speak Serbian and are Orthodox yet they have a nation of there owns, we had a kingdom before the Ottomans so did the Albanians, and even without Islam we would've had a national "idea".

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Suppressed independent development, fossilized borders, institutionalized divisions along religious lines, etc. etc. etc. If Balkan nations had been left to sort their differences on their own, they'd have done it centuries ago - without automatic rifles, long-range artillery, concentration camps, and other modern inventions. We'd have a more or less stable region split into several ethnically homogeneous nation states with only small minorities present, not a hodgepodge of languages and religions inside arbitrary political borders.

So you're saying the fact that the Ottoman Empire was tolerant with other religions/languages/cultures was a bad thing ? Or are you saying that because they were muslims ?