Zimmerman Not guilty

If you people read the story (and I assume JR already knows the laws), this isn't about paying Zimmerman's lawyers, (tho the state should foot the bill for that as well) this is just the legal cost.
Zimmerman could not recoup attorney fees under the law, but he could seek costs related to the trial such as expenditures for expert witnesses and an animated video that defense attorneys showed jurors, the Orlando Sentinel reported. The costs could range between $200,000 and $300,000, the paper said.

But why the hell shouldn't the state pay?
 
Generally, an indigent defendant can petition the state pre-trial for funds to secure experts and whatnot. No need for the state to pay for the Cadillac-level of experts the defendant secured utilizing a high profile legal defense fund. I would be ok for reimbursement up to what the state would provide an indigent defendant. This being Florida, I would think that would not be that much. Zimmerman would have been better off shooting a teenager in a less tough-on-criminal-defendants state.
 
Oops . . . wrong thread
Spoiler :
It's hard to see how gun control reduces crime. Travon Martin was a victim of gun control legislation that deprived him of the legal right to possess a gun to defend himself against an armed stalker.
 
Generally, an indigent defendant can petition the state pre-trial for funds to secure experts and whatnot. No need for the state to pay for the Cadillac-level of experts the defendant secured utilizing a high profile legal defense fund. I would be ok for reimbursement up to what the state would provide an indigent defendant. This being Florida, I would think that would not be that much. Zimmerman would have been better off shooting a teenager in a less tough-on-criminal-defendants state.
Indeed. It is quite absurd to have to pay for their elaborate graphics, expert witnesses, and even a super-expensive animation propaganda campaign that didn't even come close to portraying the events as we know them to have occurred.

This is doubly so since Zimmerman apparently didn't pay a dime for his defense. It was seemingly all paid for by like-minded "law and order" authoritarians who will likely not be reimbursed, so this is probably going to be a windfall profit.
 
Indeed. It is quite absurd to have to pay for their elaborate graphics, expert witnesses, and even a super-expensive animation propaganda campaign that didn't even come close to portraying the events as we know them to have occurred.

This is doubly so since Zimmerman apparently didn't pay a dime for his defense. It was seemingly all paid for by like-minded "law and order" authoritarians who will likely not be reimbursed, so this is probably going to be a windfall profit.

Hell yea! The state should only spend millions and countless man hours on locking people up. How else can we keep locking up more non-white people while crime is going down.
 
George Zimmerman continues fear for his life by hiding in public view. Perhaps this is why he didn't show up at his wife's court appearance. He was too busy trying to buy a Kel-Tec "tactical shotgun":

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Lawyer: George Zimmerman should not be visiting gun factories

The attorney who helped murder defendant George Zimmerman win a controversial acquittal last month was frustrated to learn his client toured a gun factory on Thursday.

According to TMZ, the former neighborhood crime watchman visited Kel-Tec firearms, the company that manufactured the semi-automatic handgun Zimmerman used in the fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin.

“We certainly would not have advised him to go to the factory that made the gun that he used to shoot Trayvon Martin through the heart,” Shawn Vincent, a spokesman for attorney Mark O’Mara, told Yahoo News. “That was not part of our public relations plan.”

News of Zimmerman’s visit to the gunmaker comes just six weeks after a jury found him not guilty in the 2012 shooting death of Martin, an unarmed black teenager in Sanford, Fla. The trial was televised to a wide audience, and his acquittal led to nationwide protests and prompted President Barack Obama to speak out on the case.

According to the TMZ story, Zimmerman got a personal tour of the Cocoa, Fla., facility from the son of Kel-Tec’s founder and owner. The story includes a picture of Zimmerman and a man wearing a Kel-Tec shirt. TMZ says it was taken on the assembly plant floor. The entertainment website reported that Zimmerman inquired about purchasing a tactical shotgun; however Kel-Tec’s website says the company doesn't sell firearms directly to the public.

Late Friday afternoon, Kel-Tec sent Yahoo News a statement “concerning this leaked bit of information by someone unassociated with Kel-Tec.”

“He simply wanted to see the manufacturing facility,” the statement said of Zimmerman's visit. “This is a common occurrence with our customer base that live close by or may be traveling through.”

The statement implied that Zimmerman specifically inquired about a tactical shotgun he is apparently interested in purchasing.

“The Kel-Tec KSG is one of the most desired products in the industry, and can be very difficult to acquire due to supply and demand,” the company said. “Many individuals like to come by the plant to actually see the product and how it is made.”

Kel-Tec, one of the country's largest producers of handguns, said it did not want to gain recognition because of Martin's death.

“Kel-Tec's thoughts and prayers go out to everyone whose lives were forever changed,” the statement said.

At trial, Zimmerman’s defense team argued that their client killed Martin in self defense when the teen began beating him. The gun involved in the shooting is now with the U.S. Justice Department, which is reviewing the case for possible federal charges. Attorneys have said that Zimmerman, who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon in Florida, planned to continue to arm himself because of threats against his life.

“Security is, has been, and continues to be of great concern to every member of our family for obvious reasons,” his brother, Robert Zimmerman, wrote in an email to Yahoo News.

O’Mara still represents Zimmerman on sanctions his firm filed against Florida prosecutors for allegedly withholding case discovery, and in a defamation lawsuit against NBC News. Vincent says O'Mara and Zimmerman are in contact about once a week.

“From that perspective, we are George’s legal representation, but I don’t think he takes our advice on how he lives his life or what factories he decides to tour,” Vincent told Yahoo News. “We represented him in court. We got the verdict that we believe is just, and the rest of George’s life is up to George.”

But Vincent acknowledged that the timing of the factory tour was not well planned, especially since Zimmerman has become a lightning rod in the debate on gun and self defense rights.

“If you’re a public figure and you represent people’s opinion on those issues, then what you do in context is important for sure,” Vincent said.

Robert Zimmerman made no apologies for his brother's visit to Kel-Tec.

“Every criminal defendant is presumed innocent until or unless proven guilty,” he wrote to Yahoo News. “When a defendant is acquitted the presumption of innocence is maintained in our society. George is a free man and as such is entitled to visit, tour, frequent or patronize any business or locale he wishes.”
 
Generally, an indigent defendant can petition the state pre-trial for funds to secure experts and whatnot. No need for the state to pay for the Cadillac-level of experts the defendant secured utilizing a high profile legal defense fund. I would be ok for reimbursement up to what the state would provide an indigent defendant. This being Florida, I would think that would not be that much. Zimmerman would have been better off shooting a teenager in a less tough-on-criminal-defendants state.

seemed like most of his witnesses were friends, the old dude who was an expert wasn't get paid an exorbitant amount.
 
It is apparently $200,000 to $300,000 worth of friendship. A lot more than the state would shell out for an indigent defendant.
 
It is apparently $200,000 to $300,000 worth of friendship. A lot more than the state would shell out for an indigent defendant.

So are you saying that if GZ did not have funding, and he was effectively forced to create a cheaper defense for himself, and then lost the trial, this would have been a victory for the judicial system? :/
 
I'm saying that Z is asking for more than an indigent defendant would get from the state by many multiples. If you want to give each defendant in Florida a $300,000 expense budget, then by all means, make that commitment, pay out to Z, and let's see if his donors are smart enough to ask him for reimbursement.
 
So are you saying that if GZ did not have funding, and he was effectively forced to create a cheaper defense for himself, and then lost the trial, this would have been a victory for the judicial system? :/

There was a hung juror, but the other jurors convinced them to change their mind. It seems peer pressure works well also.
 
Happily awarded point there JR.
 
Meanwhile, George Zimmerman continues to hide in plain sight while fearing for his life:

George Zimmerman gets speeding ticket in Fla.

CBS) LAKE MARY, Fla. - George Zimmerman was pulled over and ticketed for speeding Tuesday morning in central Florida.

Police in Lake Mary say Zimmerman was stopped and for going 60 mph in a 45 mph zone. He was given a citation for $256, CBS affiliate WKMG reports.
Lake Mary is right next to Sanford.
 
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