ZPNESVI Discussion Thread (Nesse)

[Northen Wolf]

Sigh.

I warn the senate to NOT listen to whatever Moon Shadow Clan has to say about them not being against the city.

We strongly would like facts and evidence that we are against city,

We have plenty of evidence that speaks against you -
* Unfair laws and taxes,
* Demanding merchants to be convicted without proper evidence, witnesses or Trial
* Knowingly or Not, helping exiles means (death?) punishment?
* Trying to be judges of who is good and who is bad, ALONE without other clans support - misusing your power is easy and cannot be argued - anyone who argues is clearly bad and has to be killed for working against the city.
etc.

From: Safety Protocol RED

Obviously all the "remaining illegal goods" are "confiscated" into YOUR treasury or sunk and then bought up again.

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We are not against Nesse or its militia - we find militia/police is needed in every town.
But (y)our current militia, the "Banner of Eagle", could not even avoid/calm mass riots for 2 Updates(?10 years?). City is falling apart, crime and whoring are common activities in Nesse. Even exiled isle seems to be better place to live in than Nesse. We are willing to work for and aid rebuilding Nesse, while you only blame or even threat to attack us. Work it with us - rebuild Nesse, give her citizens time to recover from war, do not blame your own problems on someone else.

I'd like to quote Fort Oran leadership:

Oran, and those within it, had nothing to do with the troubles of Nesse, within or without the walls. If you want to hunt Exiles, go after the clans that attacked you directly, or even those groups your city tossed out after the war. Leave us out of it.

We would also like to mention that while you blame exiles for every (im)possible problem, exiles cannot live in city - our agents cannot work in city - if we're seen we're killed on sight, so perhaps you should look for reasons and solutions INSIDE your ranks.

 

[erez87]

The troubles in Nesse did not come from outside but from within. The enemies of Nesse have taken control over it kicking out all that opposed them already.

The exiles may have been exiled from past crimes, but modern crimes by the scribal dogs have not been punished yet.

Meanwhile, after being invited to a festival for the Horned King at the Ìademos customs house, leading nobles of Alya are seduced, poisoned and variously assassinated by Tuseksii women, no doubt paid handsomely for the task.

The Iademos dogs have prepared a festival of death and destruction and killed many of our elders. They have bot been punished, instead, only from wishes to have more power, the priests of the horned death have supported them and by force eliminated the Alya inside Nesse making hundreds flee for their lives to the exile fort of Oran and the mighty city of Nabar. Among exiles we find acceptence while in Nesse we fight murderers and killers.

Rid Nesse of the scribal dogs for they are bringers of evil to Nesse and cleans the temples from the evil that have attached itself to the priests of the horned death!

 

[TerrisH]

TRADE REFORM: The city of Nesse is becoming stagnant. We require the construction of an armed trading fleet, not beholden to any corrupt clan but to the city itself, larger marketplaces, and the elimination of all customs tolls, to be replaced with a more manageable market tax.

... we are more then willing to provide and pay some for the ships of this fleet, along with providing what crew you need to train and man these ships. we will also extend this with our pledge to construct several Warships, crewed and funded by our clan, to protect and prevent another blocking and/or raiding of our harbor like what happened during the siege. We do request several captain candidates be selected by the senate to serve as the commanding officer's of these warships.

 

[erez87]

from ALYA
to the Delphino:

We wish to remind you that the Sea Empire have constantly threatened Nesse when Nessian built fleets. A large Nesse fleet would fully bring the rage of the Sea empire to Nesse. That is not something anyone would like to happen.
Continue working with Nabar and us, for Nesse have fallen to evil, one day Nabar would trust us to support the creation of a Nessian navy as their ally.

 

[Seon]

We strongly would like facts and evidence that we are against city,

Alright.

Moon Shadow Clan, you are hereby accused of...

A: Sending in agents of hostile behaviour into the city through the sewers. We have testimony of at least a dozen captured agents.
B: Setting up black markets long ago which drained the city of its money and made a cesspool of crime.
C: Smuggling in goods, resulting in same thing as above
D: Poisoning the city's water supply
E: Countless other sabotages.

Do you wish for us to continue, or...

Oh yeah, and our orders that day from higher above was to abandon the Inner city and man the walls. Apparentlyh the Temple Guard was going to calm the masses.

Now, I am stating that Moon Shadow Clan is the one behind this trouble, I am not saying that it was the Orange clan, but then I am not stating that it's not either.

 

[Shadowbound]

The House of the Horned King notes that the Lucan Clan has not been exiled. They've already agreed to return to Nesse, and we are going to compensate them for damage done in the riots. They're no traitors.

The House of the Horned King rejects all arguments made by Exiles. They do not have the right to address the people of Nesse or the Senate. The Wolves and Alya, for generations, fed like parasites on the city, while systematically tarnishing our reputation abroad with ill-conceived diplomatic missions and glorymongering campaigns. They conspired with Barbs and Exiles to work against their political rivals, sacrificing the unanimity of the city for a small advantage over the competition.

Apparentlyh the Temple Guard was going to calm the masses.

Which they did. It's unfortunate that we were unable to fully control the mob, but we are making reparations to the Lucans.

 

[Northen Wolf]

Oh yeah, and our orders that day from higher above was to abandon the Inner city and man the walls. Apparentlyh the Temple Guard was going to calm the masses.

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Now, I am stating that Moon Shadow Clan is the one behind this trouble, I am not saying that it was the Orange clan, but then I am not stating that it's not either.

Facts go against each other: If You say we are smugglers, why would we then kill Nesse citizens? If you say we are sabotaging things why would then bother stealing or setting up "black markets", how could we EXILES set up 'black market', remember that Exiles who are seen in city, are killed on sight.

Why are you blaming Moon Shadow Clan? Cuz we are the only ones who say their opinion(s)? We say things, because we care that Nesse does well, unlike some certain members of this town.

Remember that there are other exiled clans - like Mortuus, Harambi and Orashites. Or are you blaming us because it is so much easier to blame element OUTSIDE rather than find problems inside ... Perhaps you are hiding something?

Lesson learned We'll keep us selves silent about Nesse next time - it is clear that glorious factions (who brought Nesse to her knees), do not want Nesse to stand in her full beauty - they prefer to strangle her to death

 

[Seon]

oh yeah. Other Exiles are going down too. We just don't know which ones or how many *smacks lps*

 

[Seon]

Facts go against each other: If You say we are smugglers, why would we then kill Nesse citizens? If you say we are sabotaging things why would then bother stealing or setting up "black markets", how could we EXILES set up 'black market', remember that Exiles who are seen in city, are killed on sight.

That can be explained if we consider you hostile beyond redemption to the city, meaning you will do whatever it takes to bring Nesse to its knees. Well, you kinda did it happy now?

Now die.

 

[erez87]

Alya

to The Watchmen clan
Why Nessers of the city show such stupidity in front of exiles grown in the poor exile island? You have shown not a single evidence the exiles of the shadow clan has done anything to Nesse and records show you are wrong

Fought against Red Sails, Harambi and Orashites during the war.

That is just silly. Please do not state ideas and things you invented for why those exiles are to be blamed but PROOF and EVIDENCE. Unless you aren't aware of the difference?


to horned death priests
Alya and the wolf clan are not exiles. You seem to be unaware of the rules of the city of Nesse. In order to be exiled a major vote by elites must take place. There was no vote. The Iadeos dogs just took over the moderator and begun a forgery of papers in the moderator name trying to exile others.

The Ìademos declare support for the righteous actions of the House of the Horned King; the exhausted Watchmen are forced to back off as Ìademos claim the authority of the Moderator - although the members of Dicchus are quiet - and announce an official order of exile against Alya and Wolf clans. The mob is eventually calmed and dispersed by the Horned Priests.

Little did those dogs know, a moderator cannot exile on his own mind. Only a major vote of elites can do so.

Interesting to learn thought that not the horned death priests aided the Iadeos dogs but the other way around. The evil priests of death were the ones to rise the madness and destruction in Nesse IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIEGE. That is good to know.

Evil swarms deep in the temples of Nesse.

*fed like parasites on the city - never did any do so. The priests on the other hand demand goods from their followers in order to survive threatening not to allow the horned death take them to the after world if they do not pay up.
*while systematically tarnishing our reputation abroad with ill-conceived diplomatic missions and glorymongering campaigns - alya had risked itself in sending diplomatic messages to try and stall the cyrians, a job that was well known to not succeed for too long. Alya never begun any wars for "glory". On the contrary we were ready to surrender our navy to the blue sails for support to Nesse while the red sails supported our enemy.
*They conspired with Barbs and Exiles to work against their political rivals - alya have never done anything secretive or behind the curtains. That is just a balant unsupported lie. show evidence or just go to your god of death already. we prefer the latter. On the contrary - alya have always opposed the idea of diplomacy with exiles and enemies.
*sacrificing the unanimity of the city for a small advantage over the competition - the only ones who did that were the horned death priests that have sent mobs of citizens to kill the people of the wolf and alya clans, and the iadeos that hired assassins and murderers to kill the elders of alya. another thing we can show evidence for while you pitiful monsters, cannot.

to ALL of Nesse
Evil was brought to Nesse by scribal dogs and has taken roots in the temples. Alya had to escape for their lives and soon will return triumphantly. Yet all of you who still live within the city beware. They are not done, they do not control enough yet. The dogs of Iadeos has taken over the trade of Nesse but that is not enough for them. They will rid the city of elite family after another and eventually will turn against the leading Nesser clans. Sleep with one eye open, be weary - for evil is growing in Nesse

 

[Seon]

Alya

to The Watchmen clan
Why Nessers of the city show such stupidity in front of exiles grown in the poor exile island? You have shown not a single evidence the exiles of the shadow clan has done anything to Nesse and records show you are wrong

Oh we have evidences all right. Datas collected from the last 25 years mostly points to the Moon Shadow Clan. Also there are testimonies of dozen Exiled Agents we have managed to capture. They all testified against Moon Shadow Clan.

I am not saying that they are working with the other forces against the city. I am saying they are working against the city.

 

[erez87]

Oh we have evidences all right. Datas collected from the last 25 years mostly points to the Moon Shadow Clan. Also there are testimonies of dozen Exiled Agents we have managed to capture. They all testified against Moon Shadow Clan.

I am not saying that they are working with the other forces against the city. I am saying they are working against the city.

Then show this evidence. Words mean nothing at court. Proof that they are working against the wonderful but weakening city of Nesse.
We hope you didn't learn from the dogs of Iadeos and forged anything.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Actually, the Watchmen are right in their accusations. Memebers of the Moon Shadow clan were captured snooping around in the sewers. We see no reason why we should show any leanience towards a clan that has showed itself to be conducting illegal activities.

 

[erez87]

Actually, the Watchmen are right in their accusations. Memebers of the Moon Shadow clan were captured snooping around in the sewers. We see no reason why we should show any leanience towards a clan that has showed itself to be conducting illegal activities.

Can you show this evidence at the court of Nesse to the elite senate? Then the senate could form a way to stop them in the best way possible. A clan do not take legal power from the senate to its own hands. That is unspoken of.

 

[Seon]

There are also rumours of shadowy Exiles stirring up trouble, and it is said that Watchmen have caught several would-be infiltrators down in the city sewers.

From update 6. Happy now?

 

[Ninja Dude]

Can you show this evidence at the court of Nesse to the elite senate? Then the senate could form a way to stop them in the best way possible. A clan do not take legal power from the senate to its own hands. That is unspoken of.

While we don't really think that it is necessary to try and prove something to the alya Clan, given their current situation, we are willing to provide whatever evidence the opposition wishes to see to prove that the Moon Shadow Clan is guilty. This yammering has gone on long enough, and we will not see the hard work of the Ninticus Clan and the Banner of the Eagle be criticized by Exiles.

 

[Northen Wolf]

From update 6. Happy now?

If there is word "Exiles" anywhere, it's always me?

 

[Seon]

In this case, yah.

Edit: And also let's just say we know how to make people talk

 

[erez87]

While we don't really think that it is necessary to try and prove something to the alya Clan, given their current situation, we are willing to provide whatever evidence the opposition wishes to see to prove that the Moon Shadow Clan is guilty. This yammering has gone on long enough, and we will not see the hard work of the Ninticus Clan and the Banner of the Eagle be criticized by Exiles.

We are not opposition. We never said they are not guilty. We do not know. All we know is that while those that swore to defend Nesse from chaos and "bloody conspiracies" (ooc: as said by stats) did nothing to protect citizens of the city and allowed most of our elders to be assassinated those so called "guilty" exiles showed us a good place and home protected from the evils in Nesse.

Also, if we need to teach the gate keepers of the rules of Nesse then something is truly wrong with Nesse. Alya and the Wolf clan are not exiled. There was never an elite vote upon the subject. The only way to exile a clan is by a major vote of elites after a trial at court, something that never happened.


to watchman

There are also rumours of shadowy Exiles stirring up trouble, and it is said that Watchmen have caught several would-be infiltrators down in the city sewers.

Thankyou. While this evidence is weak, it is some evidence. Once the senate is called again we hope the rest of the evidence can be put in front of the senate and a vote to do something against this will be done.

 

[Shadowbound]

The Ninticus Clan and the Banner of Eagles need prove nothing to enemies of Nesse.