Traitorfish

Your sister is a KPop fan? My condolences.

Don't let her anywhere near CFC as there's an apparently immense amount of people with an Asian fetish.

I don't. I think that a law should be passed that makes abortion illegal and establishing a death penalty for it. I then think that anyone caught in the act of abortion (Without unnecessarily spying on everyone to catch the specific people) should receive the death penalty.'

In the real world, a lot of people aren't going to get caught. And in the real world, a death penalty for illegal abortions isn't happening tomorrow. I recognize it will probably take centuries to reach that point, and by then I expect a lot more people would see abortions as murder. Any movement in that direction is good, and it won't happen all at once. But I think, since I believe a fetus is a life, this should be the ultimate goal. A lot of conservatives say "Yes" to a fetus being a life without even considering the proper penalty.

You're doing a great job. Part of the reason I haven't chimed in is I haven't had much to add. My only real angle of criticism I can see to inject myself into the conversations is Cutlass seems to be relying on consequentialist ethics. That's bad enough normally, but he's doing it with a largely untested system, which means I can't imagine how he's actually drawing a comparison of the levels of violence in a state system versus an anarchist one.

Yes, what do you want to ask now?

Yes, and I believe a fertilized egg is a person, that is the whole point of being pro-life.

When someone is declared a person, they have the right to not die.

No, I believe that when a sperm and egg come together, a human is made.

If it doesn't, then what does.

You cannot, you can't show that a fertilized egg is not a person, and does not deserve the right to live any more than you can tell me that I am not a person. And if you are not completely sure if it is alive, you cannot legalize the terminating of it. I'd rather be too careful than too careless.

OK, I know what life is, but let's get back to the topic at hand, why should abortion be legal?

What does it mean then?

At fertilization is where it becomes a person, it's a good place to define life as starting as our genetic makeup, who we are, is contained in the fertilized egg.

They are alive, I agree, what are you getting at.

I don't know how you could prove that it isn't murder. It seems clear to me that since most of us agree that at a certain point in the fetus' development, there is life. After all, you can't get an abortion when your 8 months pregnant. I do not understand why they draw the line at that? If after a certain number of weeks an abortion is illegal, why is there an arbitrary date, I think that as both the parents of the fetus are human, and the necessary things for life are developing as the sperm fertilizes the egg, that fetus is alive. When Roe v Wade in the US and the abortion act of 1967 in the UK were passed they never proved this theory wrong, they only said it was a "woman's right to choose".

But you see it's okay because religion and religious beliefs are okay (except when it comes to muslims and non-christians)

Since roughly 90% of my sentiments are expressed with expletives in the Real World, uh...yes?

Am I the only being strangled slowly by dangling participles in the Science Belligerency thread?

Infallible Stalin was a brilliant turn of the corner. :lol:

Reminds me of a recent Daily Show bit about the whole contraception insurance retardedness debate going on in my country right now, where it was concluded that no women were allowed to testify in the Congressional panel about it, because, you know, Stalin Soul Rape.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-20-2012/the-punanny-state

Nope!

Nope!