1.52 Patch Available
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Aussie_Lurker said:
I can understand why someone who has problems is here talking about it, but why would anyone spend so much time here if you have no problem to talk about?
Here is a reason:
http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12863
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
It will be interesting to see if this gets deleted!
Zydor
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Why should it be deleted ?
There is hardly anything new or great revelation said on those links,
I cant see the Press quivering about it tomorrow morning frankly, its not exactly original or controversial.
They have a view, they said it, life goes on ...
There is hardly anything new or great revelation said on those links,
I cant see the Press quivering about it tomorrow morning frankly, its not exactly original or controversial.
They have a view, they said it, life goes on ...
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
So, I'm curious then Phillips-are you suggesting then that I am merely some PR hack on the payroll of Firaxis or Take2? If so then all I can say is this is a pretty lame attempt to dismiss the positive experiences of so many Civ4 fans-be they members of Civfanatics or not. I have looked at Poll after poll-on site after site-which at worst shows that just over 50% of Civ4 purchasers have had little to no problems with the game-even before the first patch came out. At best the polls have shown fewer than 20% having serious difficulties with the unpatched version of the game.
Lastly, I could claim-with equal veracity-that Blue3c is on the Payroll of Microsoft and BHG, and that he is merely faking his Civ4 difficulties in order to lure people back to the RoN and AoE franchises. I won't make that claim, however, because I don't think it is true-I just think that he has a pathetic computer, but would rather blame the game for all his difficulties.
Aussie_Lurker.
Lastly, I could claim-with equal veracity-that Blue3c is on the Payroll of Microsoft and BHG, and that he is merely faking his Civ4 difficulties in order to lure people back to the RoN and AoE franchises. I won't make that claim, however, because I don't think it is true-I just think that he has a pathetic computer, but would rather blame the game for all his difficulties.
Aussie_Lurker.
Aussie_Lurker said:
I've been reading these forums for a few weeks now, but just to reply to this i registered.
WHAT? You think a 50-20% failing ratio is actually good??
Imagine Nokia making a new mobile phone with which 50-20% of the customers have minor to serious issues, that's 1 out of 5 phones to 1 out of 2 being broken!! Nokia would have their asses sued off and would probably have to take back all those phones and replace them for free.
ANY other business in ANY other sector would be bankrupt in no time with a service level like that. Hell, they problably couldn't get away with a service level of 99%.
Just for the record: i didn't realise the problems were that widespread, as i don't have had any probs, except the slowdown on big maps at late game stages caused by very sloppy graphical coding it seems. 1.52 seems to have solved those, just not as well as Harkonnen's patch
edit: spelling
Aussie_Lurker said:
Not at all, that would be a violation of forum rules. Besides, just because we know that a PR firm is active in the "on line communities" doesn't mean that I know who is here on their behalf.
http://www.aeginfo.com/clients.shtml
Claiming that "positive experiances" somehow cancel out major technical issues or that 20% of people having major technical issues is a small amount is silly. A program that fails on 20% of computers is a major disaster, especially given the high recommended requirements for Civ IV.
Not that I believe that only 20% have problems, internet polls are not scientific and are too easy to influence.
Aussie_Lurker said:
Not with equal veracity. Problems with Civ IV are just too common to need faking.
I don't have a pathetic computer. I have been building and using computers for more than twenty years and I know how to deal with driver issues and run diagnostics. The problem is with Civ IV.
Ramalhão
Warlord
My game is running fine, the only (minor) problem is the wonder movies.
Searched this thread, and someone brought this up, never got answered. So I will try again:
How to disable the save game overwriting warning (both regular saves and quick saves) - these warning messages are not there before the patch. Sometime it cause CTD. I searched the .ini file but did not see the line to do so.
Would anyone enlighten me please?
How to disable the save game overwriting warning (both regular saves and quick saves) - these warning messages are not there before the patch. Sometime it cause CTD. I searched the .ini file but did not see the line to do so.
Would anyone enlighten me please?
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Well, when I said 20% having 'some' problems-I refer to exactly what you mention-slow down on especially large maps. Even I got slowdown on Huge Continents and Huge Terra maps-prepatch-IF I didn't regularly delete the cache file but, other than that, I have had no problems with the game whatsoever (once I got rid of my faulty 256MB Video Card-which was causing no end of trouble to trouble to a number of programs). Even this minor difficulty was erased courtesy of the most recent patch-the one a few malcontents are panning. I would also be interested to know then how, if internet polls cannot be trusted, can the true state of people's experiences of the game be truly guaged? I mean, the malcontents will always say that THEY represent the majority (or a large minority)-even if no single poll backs their stance-yet cannot point to any truly independant source to back their claims. If anything, the bias of these internet polls would more naturally be towards the negative end of the scale-as people who are having no problem with the game will be far less likely to come online to vote in the polls (as they are all too busy enjoying the game 
). Yet those with problems-for whom I do have great sympathy for the most part-will obviously want to vent their spleens in any way possible!
Aussie_Lurker.
). Yet those with problems-for whom I do have great sympathy for the most part-will obviously want to vent their spleens in any way possible!Aussie_Lurker.
Zydor said:
No it is old news, although it got quite a lot of press in the late 90s when a PR firm working for Microsoft was caught sending letters to the editor under false names to newspapers.
Still, viral (AKA undercover, guerrilla) marketing is very common and Take2 employs a company to engage in it. This is the major community site for Civ IV, so AEG is certainly going to be active here.
http://www.aeginfo.com/clients.shtml
I just wonder what usernames they use and what they are saying that's all.
Any ideas?
Maybe we could play a game while we are waiting for the next patch. how about "out the PR hack"?
Sounds catchy.
Aussie_Lurker said:Well, when I said 20% having 'some' problems-I refer to exactly what you mention-slow down on especially large maps. ... If anything, the bias of these internet polls would more naturally be towards the negative end of the scale-as people who are having no problem with the game will be far less likely to come online to vote in the polls (as they are all too busy enjoying the game
Aussie_Lurker.
You didn't say "some" problems, your exact words were "serious difficulties".
But of course, you only mention the favorable polls, which can be skewed by people with multiple accounts voting multiple times (AKA sockpuppeting).
But a more likely reason is that the game tends to run well for many people in the early game and they voted before the problem became apparent.
Note how the ratings go downhill with time (not to mention that you are ignoring polls that are negative). In the newer poll, even if you count the first and last questions as meaning that they have no problems, only 36% claim to have no problems. Of course, the mere existence of contradictory polls shows what polls are worth.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=130629&highlight=poll
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149329&highlight=poll
The Condor
On an excellent adventure
Heehee that last poll was mine
. Also, it is nice the new patch works quite well for most people.
. Also, it is nice the new patch works quite well for most people.The Condor said:Heehee that last poll was mine
I think you got them confused. The one you started shows 63% of people still have problems, and that is assuming that the people who haven't applied the patch don't have any problems with v1.0 or 1.09.
The Condor
On an excellent adventure
Well I know that but I meant that is only like 300+ polled not the entire forum consisting of over 70,000 people (even though 300 is a HUGE number for a poll) so it isn't that bad and the one response (plotting against firaxis) was for the most part a joke since whenever I make polls (which I do quite often) I generally have one answer a stupid one to be funny since I get my kicks from stuff like that
. Well also that was like a week or two ago so they probably downloaded it by now and hopefully they have had good results since I have noticed a lot less rantings these past days
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. Well also that was like a week or two ago so they probably downloaded it by now and hopefully they have had good results since I have noticed a lot less rantings these past days.
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
Does this all mean i should NOT download this patch???
The Condor
On an excellent adventure
Actually, I just looked again and for the most part they might have some problems granted but on the whole they had a lot of success. A lot more so than the people who had worse results with it.
@Psychic Llama: No it is great download it. He is just trying to manipulate results. Look at the poll for yourself
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@Psychic Llama: No it is great download it. He is just trying to manipulate results. Look at the poll for yourself
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Aussie_Lurker
Deity
and that, of course, is the major thrust of what I am trying to say. Whether I said serious or minor issues is actually neither here nor there-the real point is that, on average, only around 200-400 people at most answer these polls and-at worst-only 40-60% of them express any kind of disatisfaction with the game (which amounts to-at most-240 people). Fewer still have said that the game is totally broken/unplayable. That is a mere 0.3% of the total members of this forum, and less than 0.05% of the total number of people who have bought the game. I hate to break it to you but-even if the total number of people with serious problems, in the wider community, was 100 times this number-it would still only come to 0.025% of those who have bought the game thus far, which is actually about the same odds as those of a commercial plane randomly crashing due to faulty parts.
Aussie_Lurker.
Aussie_Lurker.
Aussie_Lurker said:
ROTFL & LOL have got to be two of the most overused acronyms on the Internet, but they are appropriate here!
So if you take your 40% who have no problems you get what? 160?
Compare that to the total number of people who bought the game, then what are your results?
Only .015% of people who bought the game have no problems with it?
The Condor said:Well I know that but I meant that is only like 300+ polled not the entire forum consisting of over 70,000 people (even though 300 is a HUGE number for a poll) so it isn't that bad and the one response (plotting against firaxis) was for the most part a joke since whenever I make polls (which I do quite often) I generally have one answer a stupid one to be funny since I get my kicks from stuff like that
Sure, most people have already said what they have to say.
But I voted "It fixed some of my problems and the game is at least better". That certainly doesn't mean that there are no more CTDs, just that the game isn't as bad as it was before.
