1700AD Scenario Development Thread

[iOnlySignIn]

Anyway, please consider pushing back the English expansion UHV date from 1730 to 1775, regardless of how many cities you give them at the start of the scenario.

How many turns are there between 1700 and 1730 on Normal Speed? It's not very fun IMO to have one UHV you must win in like 5 turns after start. Really limits your options, and decreases replayability.

 

[Moshe Dayan]

A couple of things:

1) What is Russia going to look like? If they get all of Siberia, would that permanently cripple their tech/make them into a superpower ahead of their time?

2) Making the Arabs playable with their capital at Muscat would be amazing. Just saying.

3)How about Indonesia? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a freaky three-way between Indonesia, the Netherlands, and Portugal

Also, you should give Sweden control of Fort Christiansborg and Trankebar (instead of Madras) just for kicks. It'll never happen in another scenario anyhow.

 

[awesome]

Some modern leaderheads for ancient civs might be needed. Greece was talked about in one thread. I remember seeing a Nasser leaderhead once for Egypt, etc. Obviously, not all civs will have one made already, but the ones that do should take advantage of that.

 

[BenZL43]

At the start of the scenario, Indonesia should not be there, but independents instead.
Independent Aceh, Independent Palembang, Dutch Batavia, Independent Mataram, Portuguese Dilli, Dutch Makassar and Dutch Ambon.
Indonesia could respawn at 1908, the one of the UHV could be no non-Indonesian city in Indonesia Archipelago by 1945

 

[Cosmos1985]

Is it really that important that all the UHVs can be achieved when starting this scenario? Can't we just say that 3000/600 starts are the ones designed for UHV, and 1700 isn't? I really don't think it should be a priority at all.

 

[Askiya]

Cosmos, I think Leoreth mentioned that not all civs would start with achievable UHVs. As he said, some will start unable to win UHVs, others will start with goals partially completed.

"As I've mentioned in another thread, I won't make scenario specific UHVs.

So either certain civs will start with some goals already completed, or unable to win the UHV. Maybe even different for every civ, depending on how challenging the remaining goals are from the 1700 AD start."-from earlier in this thread

 

[Hightower]

At the start of the scenario, Indonesia should not be there, but independents instead.
Independent Aceh, Independent Palembang, Dutch Batavia, Independent Mataram, Portuguese Dilli, Dutch Makassar and Dutch Ambon.
Indonesia could respawn at 1908, the one of the UHV could be no non-Indonesian city in Indonesia Archipelago by 1945

There's definitely not room for both Batavia/Jakarta and Mataram on Java. The Sultans of Mataram were Dutch vassals anyway, so it's not too inappropriate for them to be represented by Dutch Batavia.

 

[Askiya]

Maybe Indonesia could represent Aceh or one of the other Indonesian states, with the goal of resisting Dutch aggression and uniting Indonesia?

 

[Hightower]

A couple of things:

1) What is Russia going to look like? If they get all of Siberia, would that permanently cripple their tech/make them into a superpower ahead of their time?

Definitely shouldn't reach west of the Urals. Yekaterinburg, the gate to Siberia, wasn't founded until 1721, and serious settlement in Siberia didn't start until afterward, early forts built in the 17th century notwithstanding.

 

[Hippo8085]

For gameplay it probably should. Otherwise there is going to be an even less historically colonized Siberia than in the 3000 BC or 600 AD scenarios, which is definitely not the point of this one.

 

[Askiya]

What is the Congo going to look like in the 1700AD scenario? At the time, it would have been a mostly automonous, on and off vassal of Portugal.

EDIT: Also, what do you think of having the Arabs start at Masqat as Oman-Zanzibar?

 

[Leoreth]

I planned placing Yekaterinburg as their easternmost city, and some roads and forts.

 

[Hightower]

For gameplay it probably should. Otherwise there is going to be an even less historically colonized Siberia than in the 3000 BC or 600 AD scenarios, which is definitely not the point of this one.

Without the Mongols around, Russia will expand quite rapidly into Siberia in this scenario, I think. The Russian AI does a very good job of city-spamming (though it could use some training on not settling random iceball cities).

 

[awesome]

I wouldn't be surprised if the civs that can't win uhvs aren't playable.

 

[Leoreth]

Well, I'm not the guy who gets to decide that, but I suspect they will.

Wait, I am the guy who gets to decide that.

 

[awesome]

Yeah.

 

[BenZL43]

There's definitely not room for both Batavia/Jakarta and Mataram on Java. The Sultans of Mataram were Dutch vassals anyway, so it's not too inappropriate for them to be represented by Dutch Batavia.

Good point. Perhaps the ideal there should be only 1 city in Java?

Maybe Indonesia could represent Aceh or one of the other Indonesian states, with the goal of resisting Dutch aggression and uniting Indonesia?

No, because Indonesia was largely bunch of independents after the fall of Majapahit. Every island has it's own kingdom that's unrelated and govern their own territories.
At that period after the fall of Majapahit and invasion of Dutch, Indonesian civilization does not exist; it's Javanese civilization, Minang civilization, Acehnese civilization, etc..

in fact, Indonesian civilization never existed before 1908 or 1945.
What is in DoC is Malay Civilization which is Srivijaya and Javanese. (Yes, Javanese are too Malay race so Javenese kingdom are Malayan kingdom as well.)

So actually it'll be better to rename all attribute Indonesia to Malay, so as like Protectorate of Malayan State instead of Protectorate of Indonesia

That aggression and urge to unite Indonesia is the reason why I suggest re-spawning Indonesia in 1908, when Budi Utomo party was formed and Indonesian starts re-gaining their nationalism, wishing to be reunited like the way it was before under Majapahit.

Before 1908, Indonesian still mainly fight for their own kingdom, not together. Please read this Wikipedia entry for more info.. I can't explain it well

 

[luckeitor]

What about Iceland? It has been under Scandinavian control from 1262 to 1874. Will it remain empty?

 

[Cosmos1985]

What about Iceland? It has been under Scandinavian control from 1262 to 1874. Will it remain empty?

Reykjavik should be there for sure - and while we're at it, the Vikings should really be forbidden to build any other city on Iceland, they ALWAYS build that other city instead, Husavik or something.

 

[soul-breathing]

I planned placing Yekaterinburg as their easternmost city, and some roads and forts.

How about another two cities: Novo Sibirsk and Yakutsk? With only 1 population and no building, no improvement.