19 Civilizations, lets vote! PART 3!

[Craterus22]

Should be last poll run by me on this topic...


Civs considered "in" due to vote and original assumptions:
Chinese, English, French, Germany, Greeks, Japan, Rome, Russia, Egyptians, Persians, Indians (from India), Aztecs, Americans, Babylonians, Arabs, Spanish, Vikings.

 

[Craterus22]

From the last poll -

Here are the new additions and the votes:
Americans.......56.......58.95%
Babylonians.....58.......61.05%
Arabs.............57.......60.00%
Spanish..........56.......58.95%
Vikings...........58.......61.05%


Here are the civs that got knocked out of the competition:
Austria.........21......22.11%
Polynesia......17......17.89%
Sioux...........12......12.63%
Hittites .......11.......11.58%


This last poll should be interesting due to the limitation (honor system of course) of two votes. There are a couple of options that I will suspect get only one vote out of a hundred...


Thanks to everyone that participated in the previous two polls!

 

[chunkymonkey]

Mongols and Iroquouis... most civilisationish... IMO

 

[GeneralZed]

Ottoman and Brazil

 

[North King]

Maya and Inca, and I've stated why before. Some VARIETY, people.

 

[rbis4rbb]

Mali and Ethiopia. I really wanted Maya, but I'd like two African Civs to balance the game

 

[Crayton]

Who, besides the Mongols, controlled Central Asia before Peter the Great? The Turks maybe. I guess the Ottoman Turks are close enough, they persisted on two continents(+ Magrib). It is hard however to throw out the great African and American civs. Not enough known history, however, forced me to not pick them. Oh... and pick Brazil before Portugal, Spain had less cultural and physical dominance over the Amazon and Eastern South America than Western Iberia.

 

[Aleph-Null]

Maya & Israel

 

[dh_epic]

Look at the breakdown:

1 African (Egypt)
1 North American (America)
1 South American (Aztec)
3 Near East
3 Asian
8 European (if you include Russia)

I gotta say, this forum made some bad calls. This is one of those times that I'm glad that Civilization isn't a democracy.

 

[Louis XXIV]

No fans of Carthage?

BTW, Aztecs are in North America (Central America), not South America. Also, many people vote on what they believe their historical significance was, not whether or not they lived on a part of the map where other majors civs did not.

 

[Craterus22]

South America and Africa definitely suffered in this set of polls... I would like to believe they would perform better in a larger one shot poll (same kind of poll here except you choose 19 civs out of 50 or 60 choices).

 

[dh_epic]

Unfortunately, "historical significance" has been tainted by the writers of history.

 

[Aegis]

If you're not on top, you're not signifigant. Failed civilizations that wink out of existence cannot contribute to the writings, either, so that doesn't help much.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

I voted Mongols and Mali. Although I don't reckon Mali would be in Civ 4 though.

 

[DBear]

WTH are you not voting for Carthage? You CANNOT have Rome without Carthage!

 

[dh_epic]

Just because you're not on top now, or just because you're not around now, doesn't mean that you were never significant. Many civilizations did not last, but made a huge impact. Moreover, just because people don't talk about it now doesn't mean that it never happened.

Significant is relative to who controls the popular voice. Is genocide any less significant because it's in Africa? Well, if you judged by popular opinion, the unfortunate answer is yes. But that's not the way it should be.

 

[Louis XXIV]

genoicide is significant and regretable everywhere, but we are not talking about genocide, we are talking about historical achievments. I'll use the example of Persia (just cause I can). Persia is in the middle east, and is surrounded by a bunch of other civs that many would like to include. Their achievements including conquering a large area of land (far bigger than the Aztec empire at its height, and pretty much unrivaled until the time of Alexander the Great (and even than, it was only short lived) and the Roman empire (which, although it conquered a large territory itself, could never conquer the Persians). Also, many great architectural achievements were built in Persepolis, the largest army anywhere in the world at the time could be assembled from the empire's subjects (the Persian invasion of Greece was the largest invasion of Europe until Normandy), they unified the land, using the aramaeic language. I probably could think of more.

 

[dh_epic]

I could think of dozens of achievements of a Mali or an Abyssinia/Ethiopia, but because people have swallowed the version of history where Europe "civilizes" a bunch of "noble savages" rather than conquering a series of complex and prosperous kingdoms, any vote will reflect that. Their history has unfortunately been ignored in most of academia.

Once again, this is one of those times where I'm glad that Civilization is not designed by democracy.

 

[NHJ BV]

If you're not on top, you're not signifigant. Failed civilizations that wink out of existence cannot contribute to the writings, either, so that doesn't help much.

So, basically, only put modern, powerful civilizations in. The rest isn't "on top". Right?

 

[supern00b]

Quebec?!?...That's just silly...