20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA

[JohnRM]

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html



6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html



8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html



10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html



16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml



18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html



20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

http://uscountvotes.org/

Yep...

ten ******ed characters

 

[JohnRM]

Also...............

DECEMBER 2004 GALLUP POLLS
1 in 5 Americans believe the elections were fraudulent.
That's over 41 Million Americans.

 

[Scuffer]

Don't some like 1 in 4 Americans believe we have been visited by aliens though? Just cos a lot of people believe, doesn't make it true.

Although some of the info is really interesting. No idea if people have been fixing votes, but the potential is definitely there if those statements are accurate.

 

[Rik Meleet]

And that's the kind of Democracy America wants to spread?
No - thank you.

 

[Kozmos]

Rigged elections!?In America!?Noooooo...

 

[Kayak]

Don't some like 1 in 4 Americans believe we have been visited by aliens though? Just cos a lot of people believe, doesn't make it true.

True...and even more don't believe in evolution apparently.

Although some of the info is really interesting. No idea if people have been fixing votes, but the potential is definitely there if those statements are accurate.

Scary, but seems a little like a conspiricy theory at the moment.

 

[garric]

Wow, nice liberal Bush bashing. I'm sure that the elections were fraudulent -_-. And Bush was illegally elected, we must impeach Bush! He is the worst man in the world!

Poor damage control by the Democrats.

And FYI : The president is still elected by the electoral college .

 

[Scuffer]

Which only goes to show that asking people questions about stuff they have no actual knowledge of it pointless.

Yeah, if there were more actual hands-on evidence rather a string of (fairly similar and related) individual facts, I'd be more worried. Though if they were properly regulated, then there'd be no worries at all.

 

[Scuffer]

Wow, nice liberal Bush bashing. I'm sure that the elections were fraudulent -_-. And Bush was illegally elected, we must impeach Bush! He is the worst man in the world!

Wow, nice idiotic over-reaction with no content or relevance to anything anyone else has said!

 

[garric]

Wow, nice idiotic over-reaction with no content or relevance to anything anyone else has said!

Think again. If you could read all that and not notice the underlying meaning that points to "Bush was ellected illegaly" you really need to get some reading skills. This is what the point of the post is about.

 

[Kayak]

Think again. If you could read all that and not notice the underlying meaning that points to "Bush was ellected illegaly" you really need to get some reading skills. This is what the point of the post is about.

We get it obviously.
This is just an internet fad article. It get's blitzed all over once in a while, but few actually believe it. I'll link up some counter ones for the anti Democrat/Gore/Kerry side if you want.

 

[Scuffer]

Yes, of course I managed to spot that.

But what you posted added nothing, challenged nothing, analysed nothing and argued with none of the points.

But hey, maybe you were so outraged by this pack of lies, you forgot to write anything worthwhile. So while you are on your high horse, maybe you'd like to highlight why the implication is utterly false?

 

[storealex]

Such strange coincidence would be more than enough, to change the voting system in countries like my own. Fraud or not, you can't really blame people of being suspicious under such conditions. And suspicion alone is damaging for a Democracy.

 

[MobBoss]

Conspiracy Theorists are NUTJOBS. To even give this credence is to say that every elected democrat is culpable too as for them to get elected they must know of the system and play to it somehow - or else they woudnt get elected cause its rigged.

Pretty....darn....stupid.

 

[DBear]

 

[Rik Meleet]

Conspiracy Theorists are NUTJOBS. To even give this credence is to say that every elected democrat is culpable too as for them to get elected they must know of the system and play to it somehow - or else they woudnt get elected cause its rigged.

Pretty....darn....stupid.

Not at all. This is not about "Bush is illegally elected" This thread has a far more important topic.

It's displaying that it is possible that election-results are not exactly like how the people voted.

Elections are usually regarded as an important democratic element and any indications they can be forged should be a signal that that leak needs to be sealed.
USA got hints in 2000 that presidential elections were forgable. USA has the hints in this thread that the 2004 presidential elecions were forgable. 3 strikes and you're out. You better make sure that the 2008 Presidential elections can be nothing else but "clean" and all indications that the elections are forgable be gone.

 

[The Yankee]

Wow, nice liberal Bush bashing. I'm sure that the elections were fraudulent -_-. And Bush was illegally elected, we must impeach Bush! He is the worst man in the world!

Poor damage control by the Democrats.

And FYI : The president is still elected by the electoral college .

Considering that John HSOG isn't a liberal and likely not a Democrat, that automatic response doesn't mean anything.

 

[AceChilla]

Pretty scary thought that the election of the most powerfull person on earth could be forged. Time to fix that ASAP! I don't understand that Americans who are usually pretty keen defenders of democratic principles and their constitution can let such a situation exist in their own country.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Nearly nobody takes part in this anymore. There's a fact for you.

At least not so much around my area anymore.

 

[MobBoss]

Not at all. This is not about "Bush is illegally elected" This thread has a far more important topic.

It's displaying that it is possible that election-results are not exactly like how the people voted.

Elections are usually regarded as an important democratic element and any indications they can be forged should be a signal that that leak needs to be sealed.
USA got hints in 2000 that presidential elections were forgable. USA has the hints in this thread that the 2004 presidential elecions were forgable. 3 strikes and you're out. You better make sure that the 2008 Presidential elections can be nothing else but "clean" and all indications that the elections are forgable be gone.

Rik, I completely understand the situation and his allegation...and I stand by what I said. If our election results are "not how the people voted" then why do we have a variety of democrats and repulicans get elected? If something were truly rigged, would't it be readily apparent by who is actually in office? Regardless of any accusations, the end proof does not match the allegation. One thing yo must understand in america is that these type of allegations are nothing new and happen with regularity - its just american politics.

Lets be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON THIS...no one in either party, republican or democrat that has an ounce of repute believe this in any shape, form, or fashion. The democrat leadership does not belive it...the republicans dont believe it.

3 strikes and we are out? Who's going to call us out? The UN? Please.