2013 NCAA Football Thread

It's aggravating to see your team continuously penalized because #NARRATIVE, especially by a team that has played an even worse schedule than Ohio State (Baylor).
The schedules so far -- and the rest of the way -- seem pretty comparable to me. Wisconsin is the best win by either team, but Oklahoma and TT are both better than the rest of the guys Ohio State has beaten. Okie State and Michigan State are both solid opponents. Texas and TCU are better than Michigan and Indiana. Pretty even, I think :dunno:
The Buckeyes beat a pretty similar team in the Rose Bowl a few years ago, for what it's worth. I have a hard time seeing how the game would be a blowout. Ohio State's speed with their skill players is roughly the same, and Oregon's interior offensive line isn't great right now, while Ohio State's defensive line is very much a strength.
Like I said, it won't hurt my feelings if I'm wrong. You certainly know more about Ohio State than I do, and probably at least as much about Oregon . . .
As for 2014, it's the same problem. Ohio State can start the season in the top 4 (and they probably will, assuming Braxton Miller stays), but their marquee OOC game, Virginia Tech, is probably not going to be very good, they won't play Nebraska or Wisconsin, and Michigan State is going to be substantially worse. Lazy voters and coaches will vote them down throughout the year again, because #TheBigTenBlows and some other team will score more points against some little sisters of the poor squad.
Four teams will get a shot next year, and with the playoff committee taking the place of a ranking system it won't necessarily by the top four. I don't see a scenario where Ohio State would be left out of a four team grouping this year, unless they lost one of their last three . . .
No, see: Denver.
I am unfamiliar with college football in Denver. The seven on seven thread is here :mischief:
Ohio State could move to the SEC or Big 12 if they want to change the narrative.
I'm not sure that's a practical solution . . .
 
Ok y'all, I have to fill out my offensive skill position player All-American ballot by Sunday AM. Here is who I am leaning towards, but for most of these positions, I'm open to being talked out of it. Here is your chance:

QB: Jameis Winston-FSU
RB: Andre Williams-BC
RB: Bishop Sankey-Washington
WR: Mike Evans-TAMU
WR: Paul Richardson: Colorado
TE: Jace Amaro: TTU

K: Jake Elliot: Memphis
P: Drew Kaser: TAMU
KR: Ty Montgomery: Stanford

I am most unsure about the kicker, and second WR and RB spots. I'm considering Ka'Deem Carry, Carlos Hyde, Melvin Gordon and Lace Seastrunk for the second RB spot, and Allen Robinson, Brandin Cooks, Jordan Mathews and Antwan Goodley for the other WR gig.

Coach of the Year: Gus Malzahn-Auburn
 
I don't pay much attention to the individual awards, so I'm not very useful for this :undecide:

EDIT: In an Orgeron coup, Viane Talamaivao flips from Alabama to USC. This frees up a spot in our class for Matt Elam, who we very much want, but it leaves a hole is our class at guard, which is a position of need . . .
 
Ok y'all, I have to fill out my offensive skill position player All-American ballot by Sunday AM. Here is who I am leaning towards, but for most of these positions, I'm open to being talked out of it. Here is your chance:

QB: Jameis Winston-FSU
RB: Andre Williams-BC
RB: Bishop Sankey-Washington
WR: Mike Evans-TAMU
WR: Paul Richardson: Colorado
TE: Jace Amaro: TTU

K: Jake Elliot: Memphis
P: Drew Kaser: TAMU
KR: Ty Montgomery: Stanford

I am most unsure about the kicker, and second WR and RB spots. I'm considering Ka'Deem Carry, Carlos Hyde, Melvin Gordon and Lace Seastrunk for the second RB spot, and Allen Robinson, Brandin Cooks, Jordan Mathews and Antwan Goodley for the other WR gig.

Coach of the Year: Gus Malzahn-Auburn

i would put jordan matthews ahead of richardson, but that's just me
 
Ok y'all, I have to fill out my offensive skill position player All-American ballot by Sunday AM. Here is who I am leaning towards, but for most of these positions, I'm open to being talked out of it. Here is your chance:

QB: Jameis Winston-FSU
RB: Andre Williams-BC
RB: Bishop Sankey-Washington
WR: Mike Evans-TAMU
WR: Paul Richardson: Colorado
TE: Jace Amaro: TTU

K: Jake Elliot: Memphis
P: Drew Kaser: TAMU
KR: Ty Montgomery: Stanford

I am most unsure about the kicker, and second WR and RB spots. I'm considering Ka'Deem Carry, Carlos Hyde, Melvin Gordon and Lace Seastrunk for the second RB spot, and Allen Robinson, Brandin Cooks, Jordan Mathews and Antwan Goodley for the other WR gig.

Coach of the Year: Gus Malzahn-Auburn

I would consider RB Tre Mason. Not because of his stats, but if you watch the film, and consider who he has faced. He runs hard, good leg drive and hits the hole with purpose and runs to daylight. Auburn has asked a lot of the running game and he has responded.
 
The Biletnikoff semifinalists have been announced: (in alphabetical order)
Davante Adams, Fresno State

Jace Amaro, Texas Tech

Odell Beckham Jr, LSU

Brandin Cooks, Oregon State

Mike Evans, Texas A&M

Antwan Goodley, Baylor

Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt

Allen Robinson, Penn State

Willie Snead, Ball State

Sammy Watkins, Clemson

My top five, with my winner on top:
Mike Evans, Texas A&M
Jordan Mathtews, Vanderbilt
Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
Allen Robinson, Penn State
Sammy Watkins, Clemson
 
I watched most of the first quarter. I saw the Kent St QB about get his head knocked off and thought that Ohio would win. Shocked when heard the result this morning :eek: .
 
At least they went out on a high note. And now they've got plenty of time to study for finals :p

I'm starting to worry. I don't think Alabama will lose to Auburn. It's not that Auburn isn't good enough to win, but I think we'll be dialed in and we're certainly the better team. But after getting up like that for The Most Important Iron Bowl Ever against :evil: THE TEAM OF DESTINY :evil: I'm worried that we'll come out flat in the SEC title game like we did against Miss State following LSU. And both Missouri and SCAR are good enough to beat us as well . . .

EDIT: The sky is falling :run: Like rats from a sinking ship! It's all over ! ! ! (We lost another recruit, this time to Auburn . . )
 
I wouldn't worry, you guys have had an embarrassment of riches in the past few recruiting classes.
 
Yeah, I was being facetious. We have an embarrassment of riches in this recruiting class too. A couple of days ago I was worried about how we would fit our remaining targets into the two slots we had remaining in the class . . .
 
And of course Toledo drops the ball. It would have been fun, freaky MAC tiebreaking procedures :(

Y'all don't have a hi/bye smiley . . .
 
Watching Auburn/Georgia again this morning. Has there ever been an SEC QB who has accomplished so much for so little as Aaron Murray . . ?

EDIT: Alabama fun fact! Reading the SI article this week, Jay Barker points out that McCarron can never be inducted into the CFB HOF, because he's never been a first team All-American . . .
 
Alabama fun fact! Reading the SI article this week, Jay Barker points out that McCarron can never be inducted into the CFB HOF, because he's never been a first team All-American . . .

Is that a requirement?
 
Almost certainly not. He might end up being a first rounder, but this is a loaded QB class, and college production or not, he doesn't have the prototypical NFL body

Kiper has him at 13 now, so do a lot of draft boards. You can't keep ignoring on-field production forever.
 
Kiper has him at 13 now, so do a lot of draft boards. You can't keep ignoring on-field production forever.

Sure you can, that happens on draft day all the time. We've had lots of Heisman winners go in the 3rd round, and guys like Jordan Lynch probably won't get drafted.

I think after combines and everything, guys like Frales and Carr will climb up boards and will appear less risky to overwhelmingly conservative NFL GM types. Manziel is probably somewhere between the 3rd (if Huntley doesn't declare) to the 7th best QB in the draft. That may not give him a top 15 setting.
 
I just don't get this. You watch weeks of teams playing and you think you have everybody basically figured out, then you get this crap. It's why expanded playoffs are such a bad idea: Every CFB game is a potential outlier . . .

Anyway, here we go. There are only twenty-four undefeated, one- or two-loss teams remaining, which means that every top twenty-five must now include at least one team that won't reach ten wins in the regular season, and that my list now includes two-loss teams. I've found it incredibly easy to rate the best undefeated teams, or one loss teams, or two loss teams. But when I start merging the lists things get pretty wacky. Blah . . :

1. FSU -- could have a rapist at QB, but they're playing the best FB in the country atm . . .
2. Alabama -- 7-0 after the first quarter? Really . . ?
3. Ohio State -- See, that's much better. Though their rise to three has more to do with everyone else sucking it up today . . .
4. Oklahoma State -- Aha! My preseason Big XII pick isn't looking so crazy now, is it :smug:
5. Auburn -- Winning the off week, near as I can tell. Plus, they're the :evil: TEAM OF DESTINY :evil: . . .
6. Wisconsin -- One officiating botch way back in week three is keeping this team from a lot of postseason attention . . .
7. Arizona State -- Really should have lost that Wisconsin game, but that wouldn't have changed the fact that they've won the South . . .
8. South Carolina -- I've seen so much bad football from these guys this year, yet they still have a decent chance to win the SEC. I'm very interested in the Clemson game this weekend . . .
9. Oklahoma -- A week off to prepare for Okie State . . .
10. Stanford -- Not really sure what to do with these Pac-12 teams anymore. I guess Stanford should still be ahead of Oregon . . .
11. Oregon -- It's amazing how quickly a good team can fall apart when its goals are taken away from it. Reminds me of Alabama vs. Utah in the Sugar . . .
12. Missouri -- Decisive win over Ole Miss was probably their best of the year. A&M this week decides whether they get to move on to Atlanta . . .
13. Michigan State -- Locked in the title game spot opposite Ohio State by beating Northwestern today. Can't afford to look past Minnesota this week . . .
14. Clemson -- The SCAR matchup should be a highlight of next week. It will be interesting to gauge how those teams have developed through the season . . .
15. Baylor -- Wow. All those high-octane offenses seem to meet their kryptonite sooner or later. This is why I like defense . . .
16. UCF -- Appears to have come out of its funk with the solid win over Rutgers this week. Still two to go . . .
17. NIU -- Clinched the division with the win over Toledo. They deserve another BCS bowl this year . . .
18. Fresno State -- Clinched a MWC title game spot by beating New Mexico today, so I don't know when or if they are going to have time to reschedule that Colorado game . . .
19. ECU -- And East Carolina wins the state title! :goodjob: Marshall Friday will decide the division. Maybe they'll face Duke in a bowl game . . .
20. Cincinnati -- The Fighting Tubervilles probably need UCF to drop both of their remaining games to win the AAC. Beating Houston as they did today isn't as impressive as it would have seemed earlier in the year. They also have to survive vs. Louisville a week from Thanksgiving to stay alive in the conference race . . .
21. Louisville -- Memphis? Really? The Cincinnati game should be quite the adventure . . .
22. Duke -- All they have to do is beat North Carolina. Then maybe if Winston gets arrested . . .
23. Ball State -- Not good enough to win the West in the MAC or CUSA . . .
24. La-Lafayette -- Undefeated in conference play, they're still locked in a battle for the Sunbelt title with a team that barely got past 0-11 Georgia State today. Lost badly to both AQ teams they played OOC; barely beat Akron . . .

Games of the Week for week 14 . . :

TT/Texas on Thursday -- could go a long way towards eliminating Texas from the Big XII race
Ole Miss/Miss State on Thursday -- Miss State's last chance for a bowl game, and the SEC's only real chance to get to ten bowl eligible teams. Though we really needed eleven to get an SEC team to Birmingham :gripe:
ECU/Marshall on Friday -- Decides the CUSA East . . .
Bowling Green/Buffalo on Friday -- Decides the MAC East . . .
Oregon State/Oregon on Friday -- As badly as Oregon is playing right now, this is at least worth a glance . . .
Michigan State/Minnesota -- MSU could get caught looking past . . .
Duke/UNC -- Historic opportunity for Duke. Win and they're in . . .
Southern Miss/UAB -- Okay, nobody but me cares, but nobody but me has read this far. UAB's chance to end on a win, if not exactly a high note; USM's chance to win their first game in two years. Maybe they can get Favre to come back . . .
Alabama/Auburn -- The Iron Bowl for the Ages. The first ever winner take all matchup . . .
Clemson/South Carolina -- No outcome or margin of victory would surprise me . . .
A&M/Mizzou -- Mizzou's play-in game . . .
UCLA/USC -- Means nothing, but it's USC/UCLA . . .

Resumes:

Unbeaten

FSU -- beat Clemson (10-1, 7-1 ACC), Miami (8-3, 4-3 ACC), Boston College (7-4, 4-3 ACC), Pitt (6-5, 3-4 ACC) and Maryland (6-5, 2-5 ACC)
Ohio State -- beat Wisconsin (9-2, 6-1 Big Ten), Buffalo (8-3, 6-1 MAC), SDSU (7-4, 6-1 MWC), Iowa (7-4, 4-3 Big Ten) and Penn State (6-5, 3-4 Big Ten)
Northern Illinois -- beat Ball State (9-2, 6-1 MAC), Toledo (7-4, 5-2 MAC) and Iowa (7-4, 4-3 Big Ten)
Alabama -- beat LSU (8-3, 4-3 SEC), A&M (8-3, 4-3 SEC), VT (7-4, 4-3 ACC) and Ole Miss (7-4, 3-4 SEC)
Fresno State -- beat SDSU (7-4, 6-1 MWC), Boise (7-4, 5-2 MWC), and UNLV (6-5, 4-3 MWC)

One-loss

Clemson -- lost to FSU (11-0, 8-0 ACC), beat Georgia Tech (7-4, 5-3 ACC), Georgia (7-4, 5-3 SEC), Boston College (7-4, 4-3 ACC) and Maryland (6-5, 2-5 ACC)
Baylor -- lost to Okie State (10-1, 7-1 Big XII), beat Oklahoma (9-2, 6-2 Big XII), Buffalo (8-3, 6-1 MAC), Texas Tech (7-4, 4-4 Big XII) and KState (6-4, 4-4 Big XII)
Louisville -- lost to UCF (9-1, 6-0 AAC), beat Houston (7-4, 4-3 AAC) and Ohio (6-5, 3-4 MAC)
UCF -- lost to SCAR (9-2, 6-2 SEC), beat Louisville (10-1, 6-1 AAC), Houston (7-4, 4-3 AAC) and Penn State (6-5, 3-4 Big Ten)
Missouri -- lost to SCAR (9-2, 6-2 SEC), beat Arkansas State (7-4, 5-1 Sunbelt, Toledo (7-4, 5-2 MAC), Georgia (7-4, 5-3 SEC), Vanderbilt (7-4, 4-4 SEC) and Ole Miss (7-4, 3-4 SEC)
Oregon -- lost to Stanford (8-2, 6-2 Pac-12), beat UCLA (8-2, 5-2 Pac-12) and Washington (6-4, 3-4 Pac-12)
Auburn -- lost to LSU (8-3, 4-3 SEC), beat A&M (8-3, 4-3 SEC), Arkansas State (7-4, 5-1 Sunbelt), Georgia (7-4, 5-3 SEC), Ole Miss (7-4, 3-4 SEC), and Washington State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12)
Michigan State -- lost to Notre Dame (8-3), beat Nebraska (8-3, 5-2), Iowa (7-4, 4-3 Big Ten) and Michigan (7-4, 3-4 Big Ten)
Oklahoma State -- lost to WVU (4-7, 2-6 Big XII), beat Baylor (9-1, 6-1 Big XII), Texas (7-3, 6-1 Big XII), TT (7-4, 4-4 Big XII), UTSA (6-5, 5-2 CUSA) and KState (6-5, 4-4 Big XII)

Two-loss

Wisconsin -- lost to Arizona State (9-2, 7-1 Pac-12) and Ohio State (11-0, 7-0 Big Ten), beat Minnesota (8-3, 4-3 Big Ten), BYU[/b] (7-4) and Iowa (7-4, 4-3 Big Ten)
Arizona State -- lost to Notre Dame (8-3) and Stanford (9-2, 7-2 Pac-12), beat Wisconsin (9-2, 6-1 Big Ten), USC (9-3, 6-2 Pac-12), UCLA (8-3, 5-3 Pac-12), Washington (7-4, 4-4 Pac-12), Oregon State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12) and Washington State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12)
Oklahoma -- lost to Texas (7-3, 6-1 Big XII) and Baylor (9-1, 6-1 Big XII), beat Notre Dame (8-3), TT (7-4, 4-4 Big XII) and KState (6-5, 4-4 Big XII)
Ball State -- lost to North Texas (7-4, 5-2 CUSA) and NIU (11-0, 7-0 MAC), beat Toledo (7-4, 5-2 MAC)
East Carolina -- lost to VaTech (7-4, 4-3 ACC) and Tulane (7-4, 5-2 CUSA), beat MTSU (7-4, 5-2 CUSA) and UNC (6-5, 4-3 ACC)
Oregon -- lost to Arizona (7-4, 4-4 Pac-12) and Stanford (9-2, 7-2 Pac-12), beat UCLA (8-3, 5-3), Washington (7-4, 4-4 Pac-12) and Washington State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12)
Duke -- lost to Pitt (6-5, 3-4 ACC) and Georgia Tech (7-4, 5-3 ACC), beat Miami (8-3, 4-3 ACC), VaTech (7-4, 4-3 ACC), Navy (7-4)
Stanford -- lost to Utah (4-7, 1-7 Pac-12) and USC (9-3, 6-2 Pac-12), beat Arizona State (9-2, 7-1 Pac-12), Oregon (9-2, 6-2 Pac-12), UCLA (8-3, 5-3 Pac-12), Washington (7-4, 4-4 Pac-12), Oregon State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12) and Washington State (6-5, 4-4 Pac-12)
SCAR -- lost to Tennessee (4-7, 1-6 SEC) and Georgia (7-4, 5-3 SEC), beat Missouri (10-1, 6-1 SEC), UCF (9-1, 6-0 AAC), Vanderbilt (7-4, 4-4 SEC) and North Carolina (6-5, 4-3 ACC)
La-Lafayette -- lost to Arkansas (3-8, 0-7 SEC) and KState (6-5, 4-4 Big XII), beat Arkansas State (7-4, 5-1), WKU (7-4, 3-3 Sunbelt) and Texas State (6-5, 2-4 Sunbelt)
Cincinnati -- lost to USF (2-8, 2-4 AAC) and Illinois (4-7, 4-6 Big Ten), beat Houston (7-4, 4-3 AAC)

The conferences races are clearing up, for the most part . . :

AAC

Still lots of possibilities. Basically, UCF needs to win one of USF and SMU and finish higher in the BCS than Cincinnati if Cincinnati beats Louisville . . .

ACC Atlantic

FSU

ACC Coastal

Duke needs to beat UNC. If UNC wins there are a lot of possibilities, but basically VaTech is looking pretty good . . .

Big XII

Okie State needs to beat Oklahoma. If Oklahoma wins, then the Texas/Baylor winner is the most likely beneficiary . . .

Big Ten

Michigan State/Ohio State

CUSA East

ECU/Marshall winner

CUSA West

Rice needs to beat Tulane. If Rice loses, it becomes a four-way cluster . . .

MAC East

BG/Buffalo winner

MAC West

NIU

MWC West

Fresno

MWC East

Utah State needs to beat Wyoming. If they lose, Boise gets the tiebreaker via head-to-head . . .

Pac-12

Stanford/ASU . . .

SEC East

If Missouri beats A&M, they’re in; if they lose it’s SCAR . . .

SEC West

Winner take all in Alabama/Auburn . . .

Sunbelt

La-Lafayette needs to win one of two vs. La-Monroe and South Alabama. If they drop both, Arkansas State needs to beat WKU to secure the title . . .
 
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