4th Open Game preparado

[shyuhe]

Here are my losing saves I think it's winnable if you startover from the 1500 AD save as things are looking pretty good at that point (economy recovering etc.). It's just the inability to trade techs = no +4 fair trade bonus that killed me - I should have paid more attention to the diplo situation.

 

[Giaur]

1500AD Writeup:


Binky123:
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Total cities: 25
Total population: 196
Average population: 7.8
Beakers: 848
Hammers: 462

Economy:
Binky123 runs Heralditary Rule, Free speach, Slavery, Merchantilism and Organized Religion.
Most advanced techs: Replacable Parts, Nationalism.
Constitution is in progress ...
6 GP's were born by far

Buildings:
Binky123 spent total 13k hammers on buildings and 67 hammers per one citizen. Binky123 favours libraries, temples, universities and theatres.
Wonders:
University of Sankore
The Taj Mahal

Diplomacy&Army:
Peace with everyone. Goldenage triggered. Binky123 has quite strong military.


Shyuhe:
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Total cities: 12
Total population: 95
Average population: 7.9
Beakers: 310 without ww and loosing coins
Hammers: 179

Economy:
Shyuhe runs Representation, Bureurocracy, Slavery, Merchantilism and Free Religion.
Most advanced techs: Nationalism, Liberalism.
Music is in progress ...
4 GP's were born by far

Buildings:
Shyuhe spent total 6.5k hammers on buildings and 70 hammers per one citizen. Shyuhe favours forges, courthouses, libraries and univesities.
Wonders:
University of Sankore
The Taj Mahal
The Collosus
The Kong Miao

Diplomacy&Army:
War with Toku. Shyuhe has quite strong military.

Giaur:
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Total cities: 18
Total population: 199
Average population: 11.0
Beakers: 427 without ww and loosing coins
Hammers: 193

Economy:
Giaur runs Representation, Nationhood, Caste System, Free Market and Free Religion.
Most advanced techs: Astronomy, Military Tradition.
Replacable Parts is in progress ...
8 GP's were born by far

Buildings:
Giaur spent total 4.8k hammers on buildings and 31 hammers per one citizen. Giaur favours forges.
Wonders:
Angkor Wat
The Taj Mahal
The Collosus

Diplomacy&Army:
War with Mehmed and Cathy. Giaur has medium military.

 

[cabert]

Here are my losing saves I think it's winnable if you startover from the 1500 AD save as things are looking pretty good at that point (economy recovering etc.). It's just the inability to trade techs = no +4 fair trade bonus that killed me - I should have paid more attention to the diplo situation.

selling world maps, or giving away resources could give you the +4 fair trade, i think. I'm not sure though.

 

[Giaur]

1700AD Writeup:
edit: now the correct info, I believe

Giaur:
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Best mounted unit: Combat5, Pinch, Commando, Blitz Cavalry (52exp)
Best gunpowder unit: Combat2, Pinch, CR1 Grenadier (18exp)
GG units: Combat1, CR3, Leadership, Tactics, Morale Grenadier
Combat1, Medic3, Ledership, Tactics, Flanking Cavalry

Civics: Universal Suffrage, Free Speach, Slavery, State Property, Free Religion

Small wonders:
Globe, NE in the capital
No Oxford University yet
Forbidden Palace built.

GG destination:
3 military academies
2 times GG assigned to unit
No Great Miliary Instructors yet

Economy:
Most advanced techs: Steam Power, Communism
11 GP's by far

Shyuhe:
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Best mounted unit: Combat3, Pinch Cavalry (17exp)
Best gunpowder unit: Combat1, CR3 Rifleman (16exp)
GG units: None

Civics: Police State, Nationhood, Slavery, Decentralization, Free Religion

Small wonders:
Oxford Univ. in the capital
HE, Globe built
No NE :/
Forbiden Palace built, but the city was taken by Ottomans I think

GG destination:
2 military academies
2 military instructors
No assignments to units

Economy:
Most advanced techs: Rifling, Military Tradition
6 GP's by far

Binky123:
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Best mounted unit: Combat5, Pinch War Elephant (25exp)
Best gunpowder unit: Combat1, CR3 Grenadier
GG units: None

Civics: Universal Suffrage, Free speach, Emancipation, State property, Free religion

Small wonders:
Oxford Univ. in the capital
Wall street (in shrine city = capital as well)
HE with settled 3 GMI, but without Military Academy yet
NE, Globe, FP built

GG destination:
3 military instructors
No assignments to units (or there was one, but the unit was eaten)

Economy:
Most advanced techs: Electricity, Democracy
8 GP's by far

 

[Giaur]

my savegame ...

 

[Giaur]

Victory Writeup:

Since both players focused on producing wealth and research, I'll put GNP info ...

Binky123:
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Victory type: Space Race
Date: 1864AD
GNP: 1006
Production: 1566

Economy:
Civics: US, FS, Eman, SP, FR
Binky123 favours mines, towns and farms.
Most advanced techs: Future tech1, Fussion

Diplo&Army:
Binky123 has strong military. Mehemd was destroyed. Toku, Cathy reduced. Binky123 lost 69 units and killed 138 units.


Giaur:
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Victory type: Domination
Date: 1874AD
GNP: 722
Production: 2062

Economy:
Civics: US, FS, Slavery, SP, Pacifism
Giaur favours windmills, towns and workshops.
Most advanced techs: Industrialism, Radio

Diplo&Army:
Giaur has strong military. Mehemd, Toku, Ramses destroyed. Cathy, Isa vassalized. Giaur lost 133 units and killed 672 units.

Summary:
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Binky123: focused on research and economy. Stopped expansion on some stage and run for SpaceRace. Thx to this decision, he finished his game faster. Also Binky123 accelerated GP's production. From 1700AD to 1860AD, Binky123 generated 9 GP's, when Giaur only 4.

Giaur: focused on production. Started workshiping countryside, cause he felt victory is near. His cities are not so big as Binky's and not all tiles are worked. Giaur slightly improved military skills in comparision to his previous game.

 

[Giaur]

What difficulty level do we want?
Emperor or Immortal?

 

[mrchadt]

Emporer would give me a chance of victory but immortal would be better for more experienced players to show how it's done. So you choose.

 

[Dirk1302]

selling world maps, or giving away resources could give you the +4 fair trade, i think. I'm not sure though.

Giving world map to a player you haven't met from the other continent seems to give +4 immediately afaik. Not sure about resources, you get "years you've supplied us with resources" bonus, don't know if it counts for fair and forthright trade relations.

As for the new game my vote goes to immortal.

 

[Binky123]

it depends how tough the start is for me. If we have low commerce/no happiness resource pre-calendar/far away AI, immortal would be too hard for me.

But even if it's too hard, I'd still like to play it

 

[Dirk1302]

Good chance it´s too hard for me too but i think the way to learn the game to perfection is going for challenges like this.Ultimately I´d hope to combine the best ideas from the various games to a strategy that at least gives us chances on this sort of starts.

 

[Giaur]

We will play Emperor map with Alexander, with few happiness resources.

The reason of this diff level is that personally I cannot see big difference between Emp and Imm.

I will generate the save soon and look forward for the new thread ...

 

[cabert]

We will play Emperor map with Alexander, with few happiness resources.

The reason of this diff level is that personally I cannot see big difference between Emp and Imm.

I will generate the save soon and look forward for the new thread ...

there must be a difference, since I win on emperor and lose on immortal

 

[Dirk1302]

I feel the difference's in the details. AI's tech a bit faster, declare a bit sooner, have slightly more units, costs are probably somewhat higher for the human player on immortal too compared with emperor. Small things but they add up to a game that's a lot thougher. If you war early then you negate some of this extra advantages the AI's have but if you're intent on playing peaceful or Ai's are far away it's really harder.

Of course i will play the emperor game. I think it must be doable on this level without (self built) cottages and it will still be useful to see how others cope.