64% in US think creationism should be taught in school.

[Elrohir]

Intelligent design, or that so many Americans are pitiful?

Save your pity for someone who needs it. Like Europe, with it's declining birthrate and Pro-Muslim immigration governments that are so actively trying to overturn the victories of 10/25 and 9/11.

 

[Masquerouge]

I just read the article in RL like 5 min ago, and was about to dig up one of my thread were some people said I was an idiot to just imagine that one day Creationism could supplant Evolution in classrooms.
Well...

A great thing in the article is that the author explains that actually American favor too much the "equal chances for everything" approach. I think that's the core of the problem. Some things just do NOT deserve equal time.

Save your pity for someone who needs it. Like Europe, with it's declining birthrate and Pro-Muslim immigration governments that are so actively trying to overturn the victories of 10/25 and 9/11.

Sometimes I wish there was a sarcastic "good job" smiley.

 

[Elrohir]

I just read the article in RL like 5 min ago, and was about to dig up one of my thread were some people said I was an idiot to just imagine that one day Creationism could supplant Evolution in classrooms.
Well...

A great thing in the article is that the author explains that actually American favor too much the "equal chances for everything" approach. I think that's the core of the problem. Some things just do NOT deserve equal time.

Sometimes I wish there was a sarcastic "good job" smiley.

Like crackpot scientific theories thought up by a wacked out scientist 150 years ago?

I htink the 'good job' smiley is this on: When you click it it says 'goodjob' between ':' signs.

 

[Yom]

Intelligent design, or that so many Americans are pitiful?

Both .

 

[I am the Future]

creation needs to be tought but not in scienece class. It belongs in philosphy or something but not science

 

[Masquerouge]

Like crackpot scientific theories thought up by a wacked out scientist 150 years ago?

Yeah, a guy who spent his lifetime on research to figure out how things work instead of blindly relying on a 4,000 years old religious book.

I htink the 'good job' smiley is this on: When you click it it says 'goodjob' between ':' signs.

Good. Now I need the sarcastic part.

 

[Akka]

Save your pity for someone who needs it.

Don't worry, I'm saving it all for you.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'd turn this into yet another neverending thread about why creationism is incoherent nonsense, but I suppose I ought go to bed.

 

[nonconformist]

Save your pity for someone who needs it. Like Europe, with it's declining birthrate and Pro-Muslim immigration governments that are so actively trying to overturn the victories of 10/25 and 9/11.

Whoa, whoa whoa.
25/10? WTH is that?
May I remind you that the country I live in HAS followed America into the biggest warcrime and hellhole since Vietnam.
To quote "The **** piles up so high, you need wings".
You're going off on a racist and unabashedly hate-fuelled tagent here, which crystallises the mindset that leads to the opinion the majority of the world has about Americans, and, like we're seeing in this very thread, is to a certain extent justified.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

Creationism has no basis in fact and therefore is not science, and should not be allowed in public science classes.

 

[jwijn]

Creationism is not a philosophy. I don't see how anyone can conceivably argue otherwise. The whole point of Christianity is faith in God's sacrifice and love for Mankind. You cannot quantify faith, you cannot heat it and you cannot irradiate it. Saying that Creationism is science serves to undermine the very core of Christianity itself - believing in the unknown. Teaching creationism in the same place where physics, chemistry and biology makes the unkown known, and in the process destroys any need for faith, the same faith that has attracted Christians for centuries.

Go ahead, teach Creationism. Just in a class with posters of Nietzche and Hegel, not a chart of the elements.

 

[eyrei]

Moderator Action: Flaming and trolling will end now. Eyrei.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Comraddict]

even Galileo knew better with limited facts

 

[Suki]

creation needs to be tought but not in scienece class. It belongs in philosphy or something but not science

not even
we have this amazing ability to seperate our religious views from logic..
and it's the only reason that most religions have survuved so long: they've memetically evolved into that nich..
real philosophy has as much reliance on logic as science, there's just a lot of bad philosophy out there too...
equal time for competing theories.. and you hear scientists warn all the time not to participate in debates on the subject because it adds to the illusion that there's actually a question in any kind of real scientific community of the validity of each. if in the survey they presented them as competing theories those results aren't supprising.

 

[Elrohir]

Whoa, whoa whoa.
25/10? WTH is that?
May I remind you that the country I live in HAS followed America into the biggest warcrime and hellhole since Vietnam.
To quote "The **** piles up so high, you need wings".
You're going off on a racist and unabashedly hate-fuelled tagent here, which crystallises the mindset that leads to the opinion the majority of the world has about Americans, and, like we're seeing in this very thread, is to a certain extent justified.

Ok Eyrei, I just have to answer this question, then this will stop:

Sorry, it's 10/25, I mistyped. Anyway, that was the day that Charles Martel won the Battle of Tours and stopped the Muslim invasion of France. And no, when I said 9/11 I wasn't referring to the 2001 9/11, but the 1683 battle when the King of Poland defeated another Muslim invasion.

"Racist"? Did I say Middle-Easterner's were bad? Did I say I hate them? No, and they are no worse than any other people and I don't hate them. Don't call me a racist, it really ticks me off.

 

[Babbler]

A great thing in the article is that the author explains that actually American favor too much the "equal chances for everything" approach. I think that's the core of the problem. Some things just do NOT deserve equal time.

Exactly. The Creationists (of all strips) have been running a fairly good public relations battle, a marketing coup of sort (yet another reason to hate PR people and marketers). With ID and "teach the controversy", they have rebranded themselves as the moderates, and the scientists and their supporters as the narrow minded extremists. The problem is that the public does not, for various reasons, do not have the ability, time or desire to analyze the evidence supporting evolution. It easier for people to simple defer that process to some other person and body, like school boards or biology teachers.

 

[Elrohir]

Exactly. The Creationists (of all strips) have been running a fairly good public relations battle, a marketing coup of sort (yet another reason to hate PR people and marketers). With ID and "teach the controversy", they have rebranded themselves as the moderates, and the scientists and their supporters as the narrow minded extremists. The problem is that the public does not, for various reasons, do not have the ability, time or desire to analyze the evidence supporting evolution. It easier for people to simple defer that process to some other person and body, like school boards or biology teachers.

I think it's less that we're running a good marketing campaign and more that we're right. No, seriously, it's not all that hard when the scientists refuse to come to debate the issue. You guys are portraying yourselves as closeminded, we're just sitting back and laughing. If you want some advice, then I would suggest never turning down a debate like what happened in Kansas again, it hurts you badly publicly.

But then, you'll lose those debates, so you can't really win. And I don't want you to win anyway, so I'm not quite sure why I'm giving you advice....I'm too nice.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

And no, when I said 9/11 I wasn't referring to the 2001 9/11, but the 1683 battle when the King of Poland defeated another Muslim invasion.

Fun fact: the bagel was invented in honor of that King after the battle.

Now I depart and won't touch this thread with a 11 foot pole. No pun intended.

 

[North King]

Sorry, it's 10/25, I mistyped. Anyway, that was the day that Charles Martel won the Battle of Tours and stopped the Muslim invasion of France.

And significantly slowed European scientific progress for ~700 years. Yes, that *was* an achievement.




As to the topic at hand: It says they would be willing to have it. Not that they desire it. But still, a frightening number. This is reason #8458403949545858 to move out of America when I get old enough.

 

[Hygro]

That was 77 percent.

Does anyone know what percent of Americans supported desegregation in public schools in the 60's? It probably wasn't a majority.

The day after the war started it was 77%, and the poll question asked if you support the troops (more or less). Up until then it was close to half