A Babylon 5 Mod for the Final Frontier Mod
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Hi all
I've not got much time on my hands at the moment, i've read through Premiers feedback and i've had some ideas on how to address some of the issues he raised. I'll try and respond properly at the w/e when i have a little more time.
However, i have one question. Should all or some of the ships be either upgradeable or made obsolete as new ship types come along. E.G. Olympus can no longer be built when Hyperion comes along or Olympus upgrades to Artemis once Artemis is available or Olympus upgrades to Olympus MK II and then to MK III as research gives access to new techs?
I've not got much time on my hands at the moment, i've read through Premiers feedback and i've had some ideas on how to address some of the issues he raised. I'll try and respond properly at the w/e when i have a little more time.
However, i have one question. Should all or some of the ships be either upgradeable or made obsolete as new ship types come along. E.G. Olympus can no longer be built when Hyperion comes along or Olympus upgrades to Artemis once Artemis is available or Olympus upgrades to Olympus MK II and then to MK III as research gives access to new techs?
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
I had no opportunity until today to show the latest ships, so we have 3 ships for today, in the order they were created:
The Earth Alliance Hermes Transport (1290 Poly / FF Carrier Anim)
Civilopedia:
Combat:
I ran into the same Olympus/Oracle problem with the engine glow/thrust, this time I put these a little back, the result is odd, but the graphics look better, I also tried opening more the thrust vector control surfaces but no success.
The Narn Thentus Frigate(628 Poly / FF Carrier Anim):
Civilopedia:
Combat:
And the Narn Sho'Kar ELINT Vessel (929 Poly / FF Carrier Anim):
Civilopedia:
Combat:
I believe we have to define a ship tree loosely based in the ship classes and their purpose, in this way, a new cruiser will replace an older cruiser, and it will not replace another kind/class of ship. For example, the Olympus will not be replaced by the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is a Cruiser (for frontline engagements), while the Olympus is a Corvette (used for patroling or as a support vessel for main combatants).
But we do also have to take into account ship coexistence, for example, the Nova, being older than the Hyperion, will not be replaced by the Hyperion, because, the Nova is a dreadnought while the Hyperion is a Cruiser, both are main combatants, however, both ships coexisted in the B5 timeline, also, a Nova while more powerfull than Hyperions, are less cost-effective than the laters.
Now the Omega is an interesting one, because, tho it coexisted with the Novas and Hyperions, it kind of replaced both, I don't know how should we handle the Omegas, but for starters we need to define the base-ship-tree. For example (taking into account my recomendations):
This is by all means preliminar and requires work (just to get the idea). As we can see, some ships get updrades, while others become obsolete and replaced. Ships that do not have a newer version or replacement should be upgraded, for example, the 1st Hermes shouldn't be jump capable, while its next version should get an upgrade in weapons and jump capability.
It is to be noted that for making the above tree, I'm taking the ship role, rather than its class, and, as we can see... the Omega is alone in its role (at least the way I hastily made that tree
but that just means the tree has to be well thinked).
Perhaps we do need to add more ships, for example a warlock-era destroyer (Gemini):
And a warlock-era replacement for the Olympus (Monsoon):
About the Artemis:
I have little information on the Artemis, but by looking at its design I believe it pre-dates Olympuses, I have googled a little and found that some say the Artemis entered service in 2190, others say 2242 (around Minbari War), so I believe it is older than the Olympus, but upraded versions took place in the Earth-Minbari War... I also found that the Artemises saw action in the Dilgar War (as well as Olympuses).
I had no opportunity until today to show the latest ships, so we have 3 ships for today, in the order they were created:
The Earth Alliance Hermes Transport (1290 Poly / FF Carrier Anim)
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
I ran into the same Olympus/Oracle problem with the engine glow/thrust, this time I put these a little back, the result is odd, but the graphics look better, I also tried opening more the thrust vector control surfaces but no success.
The Narn Thentus Frigate(628 Poly / FF Carrier Anim):
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
And the Narn Sho'Kar ELINT Vessel (929 Poly / FF Carrier Anim):
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
I believe we have to define a ship tree loosely based in the ship classes and their purpose, in this way, a new cruiser will replace an older cruiser, and it will not replace another kind/class of ship. For example, the Olympus will not be replaced by the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is a Cruiser (for frontline engagements), while the Olympus is a Corvette (used for patroling or as a support vessel for main combatants).
But we do also have to take into account ship coexistence, for example, the Nova, being older than the Hyperion, will not be replaced by the Hyperion, because, the Nova is a dreadnought while the Hyperion is a Cruiser, both are main combatants, however, both ships coexisted in the B5 timeline, also, a Nova while more powerfull than Hyperions, are less cost-effective than the laters.
Now the Omega is an interesting one, because, tho it coexisted with the Novas and Hyperions, it kind of replaced both, I don't know how should we handle the Omegas, but for starters we need to define the base-ship-tree. For example (taking into account my recomendations):
This is by all means preliminar and requires work (just to get the idea). As we can see, some ships get updrades, while others become obsolete and replaced. Ships that do not have a newer version or replacement should be upgraded, for example, the 1st Hermes shouldn't be jump capable, while its next version should get an upgrade in weapons and jump capability.
It is to be noted that for making the above tree, I'm taking the ship role, rather than its class, and, as we can see... the Omega is alone in its role (at least the way I hastily made that tree
but that just means the tree has to be well thinked).Perhaps we do need to add more ships, for example a warlock-era destroyer (Gemini):
Spoiler :
And a warlock-era replacement for the Olympus (Monsoon):
Spoiler :
About the Artemis:
I have little information on the Artemis, but by looking at its design I believe it pre-dates Olympuses, I have googled a little and found that some say the Artemis entered service in 2190, others say 2242 (around Minbari War), so I believe it is older than the Olympus, but upraded versions took place in the Earth-Minbari War... I also found that the Artemises saw action in the Dilgar War (as well as Olympuses).
?
Shiggs713
Immortal
no kidding. Your artwork is exquisite
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
Thanks for your comments. I just finished work on the Minbari Tigara Class Attack Cruiser, and its sister ship the Leshath Class ELINT Scout. They are quite similar (after all the Leshath is an ELINT version of the Tigara), but they have their differences.
Tigara (722 Poly / FF Cruiser Anim):
Civilopedia:
Combat:
Leshath (750 Poly / FF Cruiser Anim):
Civilopedia:
Combat:
And here is a Minbari battle group, so you can see the differences more clearly (worker caste):
From left to right: Tigara, Sharlin, Tinashi, Leshath.
Next inline, and last before the release of the 5th ship pack:
- The Centauri Covran Scout (Hopefully I can get it done today)
Thanks for your comments. I just finished work on the Minbari Tigara Class Attack Cruiser, and its sister ship the Leshath Class ELINT Scout. They are quite similar (after all the Leshath is an ELINT version of the Tigara), but they have their differences.
Tigara (722 Poly / FF Cruiser Anim):
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
Leshath (750 Poly / FF Cruiser Anim):
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
And here is a Minbari battle group, so you can see the differences more clearly (worker caste):
Spoiler :
From left to right: Tigara, Sharlin, Tinashi, Leshath.
Next inline, and last before the release of the 5th ship pack:
- The Centauri Covran Scout (Hopefully I can get it done today)
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
I did indeed finish the Centauri Covran Class Scout yesterday, but couldn't post it.
Civilopedia:
Combat:
It has 788 polys and uses the FF Carrier animation (yes I did use that animation quite often for this ship pack's ships).
Ship pack will be available soon.
I did indeed finish the Centauri Covran Class Scout yesterday, but couldn't post it.
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
It has 788 polys and uses the FF Carrier animation (yes I did use that animation quite often for this ship pack's ships
).Ship pack will be available soon.
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
Here is the Earth Alliance Artemis Class Frigate:
Civilopedia:
Combat:
An early Earth vessel, it has 1079 polys and uses the FF Carrier animation.
Here is the Earth Alliance Artemis Class Frigate:
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
An early Earth vessel, it has 1079 polys and uses the FF Carrier animation.
Shiggs713
Immortal
can I steal you to make art for me? hehe Seriously I'd consider paying you if you go full staff making civil war units instead. Great work!
Tssha
Warlord
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Nooooooo! Then we wouldn't get such awesome B5 art! I seriously want to see this mod move toward a solid release and see this artwork on the big starmap!
All...well, most...95% of your art is pure awesome Premier Valle.
No, I can't remember which items were part of the 5%. Sorry, critic fail.
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
I just realized I have neglected work on fighters, so this ship pack will feature some of them, for starters, the EA Thunderbolt:
Civilopedia:
Fighter screen:
It has a poly count of 1314 and uses the FF Fighter animation, I tried adding the FF Bomber animation to it, but the sounds didn't play well in interception mode.
Thanks for your comments, but I think you are overestimating me, there are some things I do not know nor understand, bones for example, I know what they are and what are they for, but I have little clue on how to use them
. And just to clarify, the Gemini and the Monsoon are not my work 
, just pics I could use as reference to make them.
Now, back on the Starfury Thunderbolt, I liked it a lot, so here is a render:
I could have worked a little bit more on the engines, but for its size it wouldn't matter.
I just realized I have neglected work on fighters, so this ship pack will feature some of them, for starters, the EA Thunderbolt:
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Fighter screen:
Spoiler :
It has a poly count of 1314 and uses the FF Fighter animation, I tried adding the FF Bomber animation to it, but the sounds didn't play well in interception mode.
Thanks for your comments, but I think you are overestimating me
, there are some things I do not know nor understand, bones for example, I know what they are and what are they for, but I have little clue on how to use them. And just to clarify, the Gemini and the Monsoon are not my work , just pics I could use as reference to make them.Now, back on the Starfury Thunderbolt, I liked it a lot, so here is a render:
Spoiler :
I could have worked a little bit more on the engines, but for its size it wouldn't matter.
again, an interesting ship 
reynanuy
Chieftain
Hey I just wanted to drop by to say thanks for working on this mod, as per what I've played of it, it's coming along great. I am really glad to find a B5 mod for Civ4, these days it seems the fandom is much less than before. The ship models premier is making are just beautiful, and details aside, they play great on the mod. Well I would offer to help out but even if I learned to mod Civ4, I don't have the time at all to do so. In any case, thanks again and I will be looking forward to future updates.
Premier Valle
FF: Babylon 5 Mod Team
Hello everyone!,
Time to show the latest models, its been a productive weekend
.
Continuing with the Fighters, here are the:
- Centauri Rutharian (poly: 894 / anim: FF Fighter)
- Narn Gorith (poly: 893 / anim: FF Fighter)
- Minbari Tishat (poly: 776 / anim: FF Fighter)
== Centauri Rutharian ==
Civilopedia:
In-Flight:
== Narn Gorith ==
Civilopedia:
In-Flight:
== Minbari Tishat ==
Civilopedia:
In-Flight:
For the Minbari Tishat, I was unable to find any good reference image, so I went a little blind in here, I took the Nial (also shown in the above pic) as base for the Tishat, light doesn't favor much this figther but in game looks better.
Also, I played a little bit with Nifscope, so also the Earth Alliance Command Omega is ready, I changed the texture a little bit, and also changed the animation (FF Destroyer), it has a poly count of 1372.
Civilopedia:
Combat:
Next ships are the EA Poseidon Carrier and the Minbari Morshin Carrier.
@ reynanuy
Welcome to the forums!, I'm glad you like the mod so far!
Time to show the latest models, its been a productive weekend
.Continuing with the Fighters, here are the:
- Centauri Rutharian (poly: 894 / anim: FF Fighter)
- Narn Gorith (poly: 893 / anim: FF Fighter)
- Minbari Tishat (poly: 776 / anim: FF Fighter)
== Centauri Rutharian ==
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
In-Flight:
Spoiler :
== Narn Gorith ==
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
In-Flight:
Spoiler :
== Minbari Tishat ==
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
In-Flight:
Spoiler :
For the Minbari Tishat, I was unable to find any good reference image, so I went a little blind in here, I took the Nial (also shown in the above pic) as base for the Tishat, light doesn't favor much this figther but in game looks better.
Also, I played a little bit with Nifscope, so also the Earth Alliance Command Omega is ready, I changed the texture a little bit, and also changed the animation (FF Destroyer), it has a poly count of 1372.
Civilopedia:
Spoiler :
Combat:
Spoiler :
Next ships are the EA Poseidon Carrier and the Minbari Morshin Carrier.
@ reynanuy
Welcome to the forums!, I'm glad you like the mod so far!
Shiggs713
Immortal
great as always 
Ajidica
High Quality Person
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Very good job on the unit art.
A semi-related question:
Is it possible for a unit to carry both fighters and missiles without messing around with python or the dll? And separatly?(Eg: 2 missiles and 1 fighter?)
EDIT: Yay! belated 2,000th post!
A semi-related question:
Is it possible for a unit to carry both fighters and missiles without messing around with python or the dll? And separatly?(Eg: 2 missiles and 1 fighter?)
EDIT: Yay! belated 2,000th post!
God-Emperor
Deity
I agree.
It is possible to allow a mix, but not a specific count of each type.
You can make both the fighters and missile be the same special unit type and set SpecialCargo to that type. Or just set the ship to carry air domain units in the DomainCargo and leave the SpecialCargo tag as NONE - with the iCargo tag set to 3 this will let it carry 3 air domain units, but the mix can be anything (1 missile and 2 fighters, 3 missiles, 1 missile and 1 fighter and 1 bomber, etc.).
