A Ban list thread in Site Feedback?

[CurtSibling]

The more I think of it...
It is kind of like having stocks in the old town square, and a box of rotten tomatoes to fling.

I didn't think of the posters who really want to make ammends after being banned.
Last thing we need is a show trial.
It will scare posters off.

I think having this thread for fun is wrong, big-time.

 

[Eklektikos]

Possibly an alternative could be a "Currently Banned Posters" thread, which would let people know that they've been banned and what for but not be a permanent record. That way it would not be so much use as a badge of honour or as a long term mark of shame. Admittedly this might be higher maintenance than TF would want to take on.

 

[Ming]

I just hope TF makes his decision on what to do based on logic and what he thinks is right vs. counting hands in the mob.

 

[AVN]

Originally posted by Ming
I just hope TF makes his decision on what to do based on logic and what he thinks is right vs. counting hands in the mob.

Ming,
I think TF should hire you as his personal advisor.
It really would help this site.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Well those that want a badge of honor already post "poor me" threads so what is the difference? They/others will post the badge of honor thread anyway.

Not long ago a poster posted a bogus thread about a new patch. It was deleted pretty quick but those are people that should get a banning. (That poster posted in this thread around the same time, today, BTW.)

The "currently banned" is a good idea and maybe a few months of good behavior would warrant removal from the previously/repeatedly banned list.

CB

 

[Thunderfall]

hmm... if you guys agreed with me because you thought this ban list thread is fun to have, then I am not going to create it. The only reason I suggested a public ban list thread is to make it a strictly info thread that would make the forum more transparent. That's why I said it should be a closed thread. It's not intended to be a fun thread or hall of shame. I actually thought it would be a serious/boring thread with entries like:

Banned JoeBrown for 3 days
Reason for banning: Posting too many one liners, even after moderator warning.

Related Thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...#####

Keep the discussion going...

 

[Beam]

Originally posted by Thunderfall
hmm... if you guys agreed with me because you thought this ban list thread is fun to have, then I am not going to create it. The only reason I suggested a public ban list thread is to make it a strictly info thread that would make the forum more transparent. That's why I said it should be a closed thread. It's not intended to be a fun thread or hall of shame. I actually thought it would be a serious/boring thread with entries like:

Banned JoeBrown for 3 days
Reason for banning: Posting too many one liners, even after moderator warning.

Related Thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...#####

Keep the discussion going...

Comes close to what I had in mind having read the original proposal

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by AVN
Ming,
I think TF should hire you as his personal advisor.
It really would help this site.

Nahhhh... he knows I work at that "other" site...

But I do hope he understands my comments here are made as a poster and member of THIS site. I have no political agenda except to see another STRONG... VIABLE... and RESPECTED civ site. There can NEVER BE ENOUGH OF THEM... CIV FOREVER!

Keep on Civin'

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Still strongly disagree, being banned is between the poster and the site, it's nobody else's buiness.

This "gossip colum" approach has no place on a message board, to many people are to concerned with what other people are up too.

Think about it, WHY do you have to know someone broke the site rules and got punished for it?
If it was unfair, Thunderfall already knows it, because he sees it in the staff forum.

No, this is a "mob mentality" thing, "we have to know".

Well, in my opinion, you don't, and as I said, it will only promote two things:

Either it will shame a poster even more, and scare others from coming here (I sure as hell wouldn't), or..
It will become a badge of honor (Look what I got banned for now!
Wait, I can top that!).

There is ZERO upside to this.

 

[Ming]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
There is ZERO upside to this.

I would disagree that there is ZERO upside, but I will say minimal.

It seems like the only value would be to provide a place for somebody that found themselves banned to quickly check to see what the heck was happening. However, that should have been handled already by direct contact between the site and the person banned via pm or email. A person that is banned should hear about it quickly and directly from the site... and IMHO a private manner.

yeah... so maybe I agee... it does have ZERO upside

Because no matter how matter of a fact it is stated or listed, it is still a badge of honor. Hey look guys, I made the "LIST"...
Not something you want to encourage

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

The man says it all.

It still seems to me that posting here is about games and a little conversation.

Add this kind of garbage, and your asking for trouble.

Outside of a little voyeur thrill from the membership, why do YOU need such a list?

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae


It still seems to me that posting here is about games and a little conversation.

There are more OT posts than in the Civ3 - General Discussions.

I don't really see why identifying repeat offenders (trolls or whatever) is a harm to the general population. But you guard the OT which seems the bigger of the two jobs (by volume and spirit), so, if you see flaming wars, I respect that and the job.

 

[Beam]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
The man says it all.

It still seems to me that posting here is about games and a little conversation.

Add this kind of garbage, and your asking for trouble.

Outside of a little voyeur thrill from the membership, why do YOU need such a list?

AoA, are you sure about the posts here? Seems that more time is spent on the Forum rather than playing games. An observation that is worth a thread by itself btw

On the why, replies indicate some good reasons with positive intent, I find your question evasive and defensive btw.

No, this is a "mob mentality" thing, "we have to know".

Well, in my opinion, you don't

Yep, there are a couple of things that can be pretty useful to know like unwritten rules. Also, if a mod can not easily explain a ban something is not OK IMHO.

If your point of view really is "I decide what you need to know" I wish you a lot of luck and happiness in your current and future Ivory Towers.

 

[damunzy]

I am starting to agree with AoA on this.

TF can banned people check their PMs?

If we didn't have a public banning thread then someone would have to send the banned person an email. I think that should be a duty of the Admin not the Moderators since the admin could decide to overrule the ban.

Plus, this complaint threads are getting really old again...I said, during the discussion of bring them back, that some people would abuse them and they are....what can be done TF?

 

[Padma]

I was undecided about this when it was first posted, but after digesting it for a few days, and reading the posts from AoA and Ming, and now PH, I would have to say I'm against it. Even if it were only the "sanitized" data TF proposed:

"John: 1 month - posted porn links
Ivan: 3 days - attacked mod"

there are too many clueless, no-life types out there who would be saying "Woohoo! I made it onto the ban list!" like it were some kind of accomplishment. There are also the timid types, who would feel they were being held up to public ridicule for what may have been a simple mistake.

The Admin should notify those banned by email (or PM?) of their banning, the length of time, and the reasons for it. I don't see people getting banned so often that this should be an onerous job for TF. (I could be wrong! I usually just visit Civ3, the Colosseum, and Site Feedback.)

 

[Becka]

Weren't PMs made off-limits to the banned a while ago?

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Beammeuppy
AoA, are you sure about the posts here? Seems that more time is spent on the Forum rather than playing games. An observation that is worth a thread by itself btw

Normaly it isn't like this, and it never was before, you being somewhat new don't know that.

On the why, replies indicate some good reasons with positive intent, I find your question evasive and defensive btw.

I have yet to see ONE good reason.
Nothing to do with "evasive", since I answer questions about bannings all the time, you just seem to be playing into the "gossip colum" thing.

Yep, there are a couple of things that can be pretty useful to know like unwritten rules. Also, if a mod can not easily explain a ban something is not OK IMHO.

There comes a point when you tire of being questioned repeatedly by the clueless, which is what 99.9999999999% of complaint threads are.
Mods have explained their actions in the staff forum, that is all that is needed, or do you think that you personally must be informed?
If so, for what reason?
There is NO reason.

If your point of view really is "I decide what you need to know" I wish you a lot of luck and happiness in your current and future Ivory Towers.

Your kind of post shows me how bad this idea is, it has been scarcastic and border-line insulting, simply because I don't agree with you.
Your not the staff, there is no good reason for you to be told all, and that is how I see it, and I'm not alone.
Ask Ming if this nonsense would fly at Apolyton where he moderates.
Or any other site.

 

[NU_]

I think it is a semi good idea. It is the only way everyone can be told why they were banned. If you are banned, you can't read PM's, and, if you have opted not to receive emails, then the only way you can get a message from people here is to read it.

I think knowing why one is banned is an essential part of a forum. It decreases discontent, the way I see it. If you come here one day and are banned for no reason you know of(I have witnessed this first hand at forums), you will come here first to see the exact reason. Then, and only then, you will send an email to Thunderfall explaining why you think your banning may have been unjust.

I have no idea as to the inside of the staff forum, but, if a list does not exist there, then mods might pull their rank a bit, and ban who they will, without consulting Thunderfall, or without him ever knowing about it until the poster-in-question emails him in a fit of rage!

Maybe you should create a seperate forum for this list, where everyone can read, but only mods can post. That would be the best way, and would allow it not to degenerate to a list of honor, because most people would be too bored to read anything there anyway! Only offenders would have any reason to go there.

That is my humble advice, and you may take it for what it's worth.

BTW, for anyone that is interested:

Non civ-related forums account for nearly 40% of total posts. That is not counting OT Archive, or the staff forum(s), which are not visible to me. So I'll give it a accuracy pillow of roughly 10%. I think that warrants a higher rating than 'a little conversation'.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Pel, a new name, same old style.

And no, I don't believe your a "friend" of his

 

[NU_]

Uh, Mr. Athenae, please check our ip's, and you will find they are no where near similar. You have no basis for accusation against me, other than I was standing up for Pellaken after he told me what he was planning on doing. Is it against forum rules to have acquaintances outside of CivFanatics?