I have just read that some scientists are researching a cure for HIV (The virus that causes AIDS)!! It has been proven that some fluid (I don't remember what it's called, and I think it's from the birth canal, but I'm not sure) totally eliminates HIV in living human tissue (Note: when I say 'Living Tissue' it refers to tissue outside off the body). They are still testing wether or not it kills HIV inside the human body. Cross your fingers!
A cure for HIV!!
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spycatcher34
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I hope it works alot of people die needlessly.Where did you read this?
SlowwHand
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That would be a good thing.
Now if we can do something about curing cancer, stroke, and heart disease.
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Now if we can do something about curing cancer, stroke, and heart disease.
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HIEROPHANT
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Cure for aids will be great. Hopefully someday Mankind will find cure for almost everything.
Cunobelin Of Hippo
Site Pachyderm
Ugh. Think of the overpopulation. Nice thought, but the reality of living may be worse than the disease.
Living Tissue is both outside and inside i believe. But anyways, yeah they've been trying to figure out a cure for AIDS for a while.
But i remember awhile ago, scientist from either America or France(forgot where)figured out how to get into the Human Genome. Well in a nut shell the scientist now say they can find cures for all kinds of cancers. Its something complex, like they found out how to splice the small most complex human DNA and they can figure out how to cure cancers and nearly everything now. Or somethign like that. lol i'm not a stickler on facts
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But i remember awhile ago, scientist from either America or France(forgot where)figured out how to get into the Human Genome. Well in a nut shell the scientist now say they can find cures for all kinds of cancers. Its something complex, like they found out how to splice the small most complex human DNA and they can figure out how to cure cancers and nearly everything now. Or somethign like that. lol i'm not a stickler on facts
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Stem cells, from fetusus... they are cells that haven't turned into a spicific cell, and could turn into any cell... I think. But one problem (I think) is they use unborn fetuses to gather these cells... they are basically aborting potential babies, and using that. A problem because it is abortion really, and PPL are against it, even if for this porpouse ( I can never spell that word)
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*Purpuse i think is the spelling. Porpouse is the spelling for a kinda of dolphin i think
Well the potential of Stem Cells is enourmous. I'm sure they're maybe getting stem cells from naturally aborted fetuses, like miscarriages.....maybe? I really would like them to hurry up, cause my uncles is paralized because some doctors focked up and gave him medicine for a cold that interacted and paralized him hopefully Stem Cell research will cure him or other someday, he cant move any part of his body he can't even talk
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Well the potential of Stem Cells is enourmous. I'm sure they're maybe getting stem cells from naturally aborted fetuses, like miscarriages.....maybe? I really would like them to hurry up, cause my uncles is paralized because some doctors focked up and gave him medicine for a cold that interacted and paralized him hopefully Stem Cell research will cure him or other someday, he cant move any part of his body he can't even talk
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Thank you SunTzu... Purpuse, purpuse, purpuse
Stem cell research... I think they use invitro fert... they do it in a lab... it isn't just miscarriges... because I heard that they need the embryos to be at a certain age to get the most stem cells. They couldn't
get a whole lot done just waiting for a mother to abort a bby of the right development.
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Stem cell research... I think they use invitro fert... they do it in a lab... it isn't just miscarriges... because I heard that they need the embryos to be at a certain age to get the most stem cells. They couldn't
get a whole lot done just waiting for a mother to abort a bby of the right development.
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Well, a cure for HIV is almost useless as the rich countries will be the only one to afford it and they won't be giving it to the poor people in "backwards" countries.
They are discussing whether stem cells are unethical, as they kill off embryos at the "age" of eight cells. I don't think so, as it is for the benefit of science (there won't be long before the can clone stem cells and produce millions of them). But again, this will cost a lot of money and will probably not be able to the poor countries.
BTW, it's spelled purp<u>o</u>se (not purpuse).
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They are discussing whether stem cells are unethical, as they kill off embryos at the "age" of eight cells. I don't think so, as it is for the benefit of science (there won't be long before the can clone stem cells and produce millions of them). But again, this will cost a lot of money and will probably not be able to the poor countries.
BTW, it's spelled purp<u>o</u>se (not purpuse).
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SlowwHand
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Purpose.
They have this new thing called a dictionary, and I see it's available in a great many places.
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FearlessLeader2
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Stem-cell research is experimentation on human beings, plain and simple. I don't care what arguments you use, the ends NEVER justify the means, period.
To even imply otherwise is evil. I for one, will never support this ghastly practice of winnowing dead babies for usable tissues, and I sincerely hope that people rise up in numbers sufficient to stop this grisly form of cannibalism in the name of Science.
You may call me whatever you wish, to attempt to discredit my unpalatable truths, but it will not change the fact that harvesting babies for their stem cells is EVIL. There is absolutely no difference between stem-cell research and testing new medicines on newborn babies, the elderly, or asylum inmates.
If you must test on humans, ask their permission first. If you can't ask them, or they can't give it, you are performing abuses of the worst nature.
Am I denying a possible cure to people? Yes. Do I feel bad about it? No. Why? Because the ends do not justiify the means. Saving millions is not worth butchering even one infant, let alone the countless number that will be slaughtered for their stem cells in this research. This is one time where Science has stepped completely out of the realm of human decency, and the only reason they are getting away with it is because they have a large vocal lobby behind them.
Well, I'm standing on the side of decency, not expediency. Who will join me?
To even imply otherwise is evil. I for one, will never support this ghastly practice of winnowing dead babies for usable tissues, and I sincerely hope that people rise up in numbers sufficient to stop this grisly form of cannibalism in the name of Science.
You may call me whatever you wish, to attempt to discredit my unpalatable truths, but it will not change the fact that harvesting babies for their stem cells is EVIL. There is absolutely no difference between stem-cell research and testing new medicines on newborn babies, the elderly, or asylum inmates.
If you must test on humans, ask their permission first. If you can't ask them, or they can't give it, you are performing abuses of the worst nature.
Am I denying a possible cure to people? Yes. Do I feel bad about it? No. Why? Because the ends do not justiify the means. Saving millions is not worth butchering even one infant, let alone the countless number that will be slaughtered for their stem cells in this research. This is one time where Science has stepped completely out of the realm of human decency, and the only reason they are getting away with it is because they have a large vocal lobby behind them.
Well, I'm standing on the side of decency, not expediency. Who will join me?
So, tell me FL2, do you think it's evil to kill a cow? Or a fly, maybe? IF you don't, then tell me why. Then tell me that your not a hypocrite, and then tell me why you think it's not justifiable to take Stem-Cells from an un-born fetus but it IS justifiable to kill a cow. I REALLY do not like it when some one turns my thread into an anti-abortion thread. I'm sorry, but that is NOT what this thread is about. GET ON-TOPIC OR GET OUT!
Btw, SpyC., I think i read it in Time.
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Btw, SpyC., I think i read it in Time.
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RedWolf
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Fearless and I often disagree on things and I'm not exactly sure where I stand on this issue.
HOWEVER I don't think that he's off topic at ALL. The topic is about "a cure to HIV" and he responded simply by stating why he believes that cure to be unethical.
You may not agree with his opinion but he is completely on topic.
HOWEVER I don't think that he's off topic at ALL. The topic is about "a cure to HIV" and he responded simply by stating why he believes that cure to be unethical.
You may not agree with his opinion but he is completely on topic.
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From the American Association for the Advancement of Science
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Institute for Civil Society.
There are segments of American society that disagree on moral grounds with using public
monies to support certain types of stem cell research. However, public policy in a
pluralistic society cannot resolve all the differences that arise in national debates on
sensitive social issues. In the context of stem cell research, this leads to three practical conclusions. One is a willingness to permit individuals, whether they are researchers or embryo or fetal tissue donors, to act in conformity with their own moral views on these matters. A second is the commitment to public involvement in research support when this research is related to the promotion and protection of public health, including the acquisition of new molecular and cellular insights into basic human developmental biology. A third is respect for opposing views, especially those based on religious grounds, to the extent that this is consistent with the protection and promotion of public health and safety.
There are three primary sources of stem cells, each with different characteristics as to how many different developmental paths they can follow and how much they can
contribute to our understanding of a functioning organism. Embryonic stem cells (ES cells), derived from a very early embryo, and embryonic germ cells (EG cells), collected from fetal tissue at a somewhat later stage of development, have particular promise for a wide range of therapeutic applications because, according to our present knowledge, they are capable of giving rise to virtually any cell type. Research on these primordial cells
will also provide a unique opportunity to study human cell biology. Adult stem cells, obtained from mature tissues, differentiate into a narrower range of cell types. As a result, many cells of medical interest cannot currently be obtained from adult-derived stem cells. It is also less feasible to develop large-scale cultures from adult stem cells. However, it is important to note that, at this time, it is only adult human stem cells that are well-enough understood that they can be reliably differentiated into specific tissue types, and that have proceeded to clinical trials.
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1.Embryonic stem cells
2.Embryonic germ cells
3.Adult stem cells
Out of these three I'm willing to go along with 1 and 3.
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Institute for Civil Society.
There are segments of American society that disagree on moral grounds with using public
monies to support certain types of stem cell research. However, public policy in a
pluralistic society cannot resolve all the differences that arise in national debates on
sensitive social issues. In the context of stem cell research, this leads to three practical conclusions. One is a willingness to permit individuals, whether they are researchers or embryo or fetal tissue donors, to act in conformity with their own moral views on these matters. A second is the commitment to public involvement in research support when this research is related to the promotion and protection of public health, including the acquisition of new molecular and cellular insights into basic human developmental biology. A third is respect for opposing views, especially those based on religious grounds, to the extent that this is consistent with the protection and promotion of public health and safety.
There are three primary sources of stem cells, each with different characteristics as to how many different developmental paths they can follow and how much they can
contribute to our understanding of a functioning organism. Embryonic stem cells (ES cells), derived from a very early embryo, and embryonic germ cells (EG cells), collected from fetal tissue at a somewhat later stage of development, have particular promise for a wide range of therapeutic applications because, according to our present knowledge, they are capable of giving rise to virtually any cell type. Research on these primordial cells
will also provide a unique opportunity to study human cell biology. Adult stem cells, obtained from mature tissues, differentiate into a narrower range of cell types. As a result, many cells of medical interest cannot currently be obtained from adult-derived stem cells. It is also less feasible to develop large-scale cultures from adult stem cells. However, it is important to note that, at this time, it is only adult human stem cells that are well-enough understood that they can be reliably differentiated into specific tissue types, and that have proceeded to clinical trials.
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1.Embryonic stem cells
2.Embryonic germ cells
3.Adult stem cells
Out of these three I'm willing to go along with 1 and 3.
Well, he's trying to turn it in to an anti-abortion thread, and that's not what the thread is about. I kinda don't like it when the topic is steered toward abortion. Plus, he over uses the word EVIL.
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going back to the cure for a moment, did what you read mention anything about a place named Bougainville. you can try looking for it on a map, it's to the west of Paupa New Guinea, but i'm one of the few people who regonise it as a independant country so you might have difficulty finding it.
But anyway i saw this documentry filmed there and one of the island's doctors claims to have found a cure, though because of the islands war with Paupa New Guinea no one from the outside world has been able to prve this, but they swear that one of the islanders had either HIV or AIDS (don't remember which one) and that they succesfully cured him.
And FL2, i sure do hope you formed that opinion on your own and are not submitting to the Christian indoctrination. sorry, but when people say stuff like that it really strikes a nerve.
But anyway i saw this documentry filmed there and one of the island's doctors claims to have found a cure, though because of the islands war with Paupa New Guinea no one from the outside world has been able to prve this, but they swear that one of the islanders had either HIV or AIDS (don't remember which one) and that they succesfully cured him.
And FL2, i sure do hope you formed that opinion on your own and are not submitting to the Christian indoctrination. sorry, but when people say stuff like that it really strikes a nerve.
FearlessLeader2
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Oh, there I went again, didn't I? I went and pointed out how despicable something that a bunch of people have their hopes pinned on is. Well, excuse me. I didn't mean to remind you what that thing shrieking in your ear was...you know, your conscience?
People, wake up. That article quoted above already shows that fetal and embreyonic stem and germ cells are not as useful as adult cells due to lack of knowledge. You can use that information in two ways, and two ways alone.
You can limit this research to subjects that can voluntarily donate materiels, or institute a ghastly program of extermination to obtain research materiel of already dubious value, and which may prove to be no more useful than what is available without slaughtering anyone.
Why is this even a hard descision? Find another way. What's the good of curing AIDS, to save however many people have it, if we have to snuff out twice as many unborn children to get it, when we could do it without killing anyone?
Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath state that a doctor will do no harm? Have these medical researchers taken that oath? This avenue of research is unacceptable to any decent person. Find another way.
AIDS is a serious problem, but it can be stopped without creating a greater one, or commiting mass murder of the utterly innocent. Finding a cure for AIDS right now is premature anyways. The political climate in Africa makes delivery of a cure next to impossible. We have to establish a new order there where people can live in safe conditions that do not promote the spread of diseases like AIDS, ebola, cholera, and typhus.
No one in America or other developed nations worries about typhus and cholera, because of our access to sanitary living conditions. The Africans need these conditions too. Once they have them, we can cure what ails them. Until then, a cure will only serve the AIDS sufferers in the developed nations. And once they are cured, Africa will be forgotten again, until the next deadly plague springs out of its sickly womb...
People, wake up. That article quoted above already shows that fetal and embreyonic stem and germ cells are not as useful as adult cells due to lack of knowledge. You can use that information in two ways, and two ways alone.
You can limit this research to subjects that can voluntarily donate materiels, or institute a ghastly program of extermination to obtain research materiel of already dubious value, and which may prove to be no more useful than what is available without slaughtering anyone.
Why is this even a hard descision? Find another way. What's the good of curing AIDS, to save however many people have it, if we have to snuff out twice as many unborn children to get it, when we could do it without killing anyone?
Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath state that a doctor will do no harm? Have these medical researchers taken that oath? This avenue of research is unacceptable to any decent person. Find another way.
AIDS is a serious problem, but it can be stopped without creating a greater one, or commiting mass murder of the utterly innocent. Finding a cure for AIDS right now is premature anyways. The political climate in Africa makes delivery of a cure next to impossible. We have to establish a new order there where people can live in safe conditions that do not promote the spread of diseases like AIDS, ebola, cholera, and typhus.
No one in America or other developed nations worries about typhus and cholera, because of our access to sanitary living conditions. The Africans need these conditions too. Once they have them, we can cure what ails them. Until then, a cure will only serve the AIDS sufferers in the developed nations. And once they are cured, Africa will be forgotten again, until the next deadly plague springs out of its sickly womb...
FearlessLeader2
Fundamentalist Loon
xeven, I will call evil evil whenever and wherever I see it. If you don't like it, don't show it to me. Maybe I'm not going to be the most popular guy around these parts, but I will not dilute the truth with any amount of horsecrap, nor allow others to do so, while I have the power to jump up and down and blow the whistle on whoever tries to.
And I may have finally gone on the record as anti-abortion, but this topic specifically includes abortion, given that stem cells from fetuses and embreyos can't be obtained without killing their source. That is abortion, plain and simple. So this is an abortion topic whether you like it or not. Ooops, I just pointed out ANOTHER uncomfortable truth.
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Xiahou-Dun
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I'm not going to debate if it's right or wrong.
So they will either be destroyed (another form of abortion) used to try and help mankind (another form of abortion) or left frozen (another form of abortion).
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