A Mafia Game taking place in the East [Game Thread - Concluded]

[johnhughthom]

I would be interested in why the mafia did not do a kill last night, but hey, that's just me.

Huh? Am I missing something? How do you know this?

 

[Kennigit]

That said, I'll put my money where my mouth is: remake20

 

[Kennigit]

Huh? Am I missing something? How do you know this?

I kinda doubt there is a new strategy of the mafiya killing themselves n1

 

[Kennigit]

oh im dumb, nvm

 

[Internet Flea]

Hmm. I'm all for pushing Choxorn or Kennigit, but both at once runs the risk of achieving little.

What was true yesterday is false tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the 35% majority was only for Day 1.

I would be interested in why the mafia did not do a kill last night, but hey, that's just me.

Funny, I came to the conclusion that there were two mafia teams killing people.

 

[Kennigit]

i honestly just made a stupid 5 second mistake. "oh a mafia died, that's neat"

 

[KingMorgan]

Choxorn gets my vote for yesterdays switcha-roo

 

[Snerk]

Yes FOS on Chox for the flip-flop. However, we'll learn more from lynching Kennigit. If Kennigit turns up scum, Chox is most likely scum too due to the suspicious vote switch. If Kennigit turns up innocent, I'd say Chox is looking very pro-town as why would a mafioso ruin a d1 townie lynch?

 

[Zack]

Yes FOS on Chox for the flip-flop. However, we'll learn more from lynching Kennigit. If Kennigit turns up scum, Chox is most likely scum too due to the suspicious vote switch. If Kennigit turns up innocent, I'd say Chox is looking very pro-town as why would a mafioso ruin a d1 townie lynch?

Disagree. If Kennigit is innocent, I think it says very little about choxorn's alignment, if anything. If one of them is lynched today, I don't think it really matters which one.

 

[Murska]

What was true yesterday is false tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the 35% majority was only for Day 1.

It's not that we won't lynch one, it's that we'll lynch the wrong one assuming that only one of them is guilty (if any).

 

[Zack]

Murska, get a damn avatar. What are we, savages?

 

[Snerk]

Disagree. If Kennigit is innocent, I think it says very little about choxorn's alignment, if anything. If one of them is lynched today, I don't think it really matters which one.

You're not saying why you're disagreeing. Why would the mafia ruin a d1 lynch of an innocent?

 

[Zack]

You're not saying why you're disagreeing. Why would the mafia ruin a d1 lynch of an innocent?

To make themselves look good, and more importantly to avoid looking bad (which spearheading the lynch of a townie Day 1 might do). Why are you acting like the mafia are so desperate to lynch townies this early on? If anything, the mafia would try to avoid being associated with bad lynches.

You're also assuming that there is one mafia team and everyone else is townie, which I seriously doubt.

 

[Snerk]

To make themselves look good, and more importantly to avoid looking bad (which spearheading the lynch of a townie Day 1 might do). Why are you acting like the mafia are so desperate to lynch townies this early on? If anything, the mafia would try to avoid being associated with bad lynches.

You're also assuming that there is one mafia team and everyone else is townie, which I seriously doubt.

You're twisting my words. Nobody's spearheading in a random d1 9+votes lynch. And I'm not saying they're desperate, just that it doesn't make much sense as a mafia move, too much attention. I'm also not assuming there is only one mafia team and the rest is townies.

 

[Zack]

You're twisting my words. Nobody's spearheading in a random d1 9+votes lynch.

You know what I meant, you're just debating semantics. My point was that mafia want to avoid being prominently associated with townie lynches.

And I'm not saying they're desperate, just that it doesn't make much sense as a mafia move, too much attention.

Oh, and switching your vote off a teammate in that situation doesn't attract any attention at all? Assuming choxorn and Kennigit are mafia partners, choxorn knows that if he switches his vote like that and Kennigit later turns up as scum, that Day 1 vote switch is going to look really bad; on the other hand, if choxorn is scum and Kennigit is not his teammate, he probably doesn't even think too much about the consequences of changing his vote.

I've been in that situation as a member of a mafia team, and I did not change my vote because I knew the consequences would be severe. I'm speaking from firsthand experience here.

If choxorn and Kennigit are mafia partners, choxorn made an uncharacteristically poor play for someone who is usually fairly ruthless in bussing his scummates. If they're not mafia partners, then his vote switch is trivial and not really worth considering.

I'm also not assuming there is only one mafia team and the rest is townies.

Then what are you assuming?

If Kennigit turns up scum, Chox is most likely scum too due to the suspicious vote switch. If Kennigit turns up innocent, I'd say Chox is looking very pro-town as why would a mafioso ruin a d1 townie lynch?

Because there's an implication here that there is one mafia team and the town. What if Kennigit/choxorn is a serial killer, what if he's on an opposing scum team, what if he's a cultist, what if he's neutral, etc. None of these are considered, only that Kennigit and choxorn are either both mafia buddies or both townies.

 

[Zack]

Mafia are primarily concerned with not getting lynched. They're killing townies every night, it's not nearly as important for the mafia to lynch townies as it is for townies to lynch mafia. During the Day phase, a mafioso's #1 priority is not lynching a townie, but ensuring that they get through the day without raising suspicion.

Spoiler :

Note: I initially edited this into my above post, but cut it out and put it into a new post so as to be more in line with the rules.

 

[Snerk]

My point was that mafia want to avoid being prominently associated with townie lynches.

Valid point of course. But were I mafia, I'd definitely stay on that d1 wagon.

Oh, and switching your vote off a teammate in that situation doesn't attract any attention at all?

I didn't say that. But it is a motive. We all agree that it's odd that Choxorn changed his vote in the last minute.

Assuming choxorn and Kennigit are mafia partners, choxorn knows that if he switches his vote like that and Kennigit later turns up as scum, that Day 1 vote switch is going to look really bad; on the other hand, if choxorn is scum and Kennigit is not his teammate, he probably doesn't even think too much about the consequences of changing his vote.

I've been in that situation as a member of a mafia team, and I did not change my vote because I knew the consequences would be severe. I'm speaking from firsthand experience here.

If choxorn and Kennigit are mafia partners, choxorn made an uncharacteristically poor play for someone who is usually fairly ruthless in bussing his scummates. If they're not mafia partners, then his vote switch is trivial and not really worth considering.

Also valid point. Though in the last game my scumbuddy Newyn could have saved me by jumping off my wagon. In hindsight, and I stress in hindsight, that's what he should have done.

Then what are you assuming?


Because there's an implication here that there is one mafia team and the town. What if Kennigit/choxorn is a serial killer, what if he's on an opposing scum team, what if he's a cultist, what if he's neutral, etc. None of these are considered, only that Kennigit and choxorn are either both mafia buddies or both townies.

I'm not assuming anything other than that there are at least some mafiosi and some townies in this game. Like you say, there are still many different possible constellations.

Mafia are primarily concerned with not getting lynched. They're killing townies every night, it's not nearly as important for the mafia to lynch townies as it is for townies to lynch mafia. During the Day phase, a mafioso's #1 priority is not lynching a townie, but ensuring that they get through the day without raising suspicion.

Spoiler :

Note: I initially edited this into my above post, but cut it out and put it into a new post so as to be more in line with the rules.

True. Though a kill is a kill. And being on a d1 bandwagon isn't raising much suspicion.

 

[JohannaK]

I think there's at least two mafia, possibly plus a SK or cult.

 

[johnhughthom]

Maybe a few townies and one or two neutrals.



Possibly a host in there somewhere.

 

[JohannaK]

Well, there are two kills, and we know there is a Mafiya faction. If there was a single faction it would just be the Mafia, right? it could be flavour, but I also think this game will be at least as complex as the previous.