A More Perfect Union

I have not made a single groundless accusation of Ceskari, nor do i believe an accusation at all, at least not until Ceskari himself opened the war of petty politics between us. It was my intention to conduct a clean campaign, and I still wish for both sides to remain respectful no matter how unlikely that may be...

An excellent point, arya. Taken as a whole, you do seem to have more in common with Ceskari than you do with the rest of the AFP, which I consider a compliment. I do hold much respect for your statesmanship, and I will say again that you deserve to be in the government of our nation. In my opinion, you have merely chosen the wrong office to run for, as I feel Ceskari's record of service weighs more heavily than your (undeniably good) campaign promises.

Of course, at this rate you may win the office of president anyway, in which case I look forward to working with you, should I win my own race for Senator.

As for the use of the term "rational governance," I admit that it is an emotionally charged and not-well-defined term. To my mind, rational governance is defined as:

1) Those in charge taking the actions they deem best for their constituencies and the country as a whole, and
2) Their electoral futures depending on this performance,

with the parties of the candidates having little consequence, if at all. The slippery part of this definition is, of course, that "actions that are best for the country" is open to interpretation, and this is where the vigorous debate of politics arises.

In any case, I hope that clarifies why I cannot endorse you as a candidate for president in this particular election: my own definition of political merit is weighted towards proven results (which is outside your control in this election, since you have no experience as of yet), and the narrative behind your campaign that frightens me is one of the AFP winning all contested elections simply because of their status as the largest party. My interpretation of this narrative is perhaps an overreaction, but I hope you and my other fellow citizens appreciate that, as an unaligned politician myself, I have a particular fear at the prospect of large, "might makes right" parties.

And as a final note, @Princeof Persia: New York welcomes you! Enjoy your time in the City that Never Sleeps, and should I win election to this senatorial seat, please do not hesitate to bring your concerns to me publicly or privately.
 
Not much going on right now, but a few things to note...

First, a warm welcome to the America's Fist Party and to New York, Princeof Persia! Your vote is greatly appreciated.

Also, GreyWithAnE: Arya is in the America's Fist Party (AmFist), not the America First Party (AFP). He currently enjoys their support even if it doesn't matter (in regards to the "No Voting in Minor Primaries" Rule, no offense).

And the AFP has only one candidate running (Jehoshua as a Representative), so no worries about them winning all contested elections. After all, these are only the Primaries and they can't run in them (or vote in them).
 
Perhaps you take too much at face value. Yes, my colleagues in my coalition do tend to be on the rougher side of politics with how they act, however, it is a very valuable asset to have such people who are not afraid to argue with either their own candidate, or the opposing one, as that shows flaws in their policies which can be corrected or exploited. Yet, merely because they have big mouths do not mean they have not a big heart and a sharp mind both of which are most ready to serve america. In fact, I would say such a willingness and openness of their opinion would say they are more ready to serve their country than the communist party. Yes, Ceskari is competent at the moment, but these are the most basic decisions of them all.

OOC: I would have you know that I am extremely practiced in such politics as are being used in this game, mostly due to the Realpolitik series of AARs that have been both on CFC and Paradox. They are similar in concept and idea, rather different in rule structure and implementation, yet they both share the same core idea of politics, debating, choices, and planning a nation in a game of civ. This game is not so different except in the fact that its a different system in how to execute actions. Very simple to adapt to, which is why I trust Sparthage and Jehoshua so much, as they are veterans of the same games, albeit the later ones in the series.
 
My own definition of political merit is weighted towards proven results (which is outside your control in this election, since you have no experience as of yet), and the narrative behind your campaign that frightens me is one of the AFP winning all contested elections simply because of their status as the largest party. My interpretation of this narrative is perhaps an overreaction, but I hope you and my other fellow citizens appreciate that, as an unaligned politician myself, I have a particular fear at the prospect of large, "might makes right" parties.

Under such a definition would you not say then that you yourself have no political merit seeing as you have given no sense of results. It's this idea that somehow incumbents are automatically better suited for governance that dictatorship and other nonsense such as inherited merit arises. The worthiness of a man to hold political office lies solely in individual skills and a sense of virtue. Moreover your concept of rational government is at odds with each other.

1) Those in charge taking the actions they deem best for their constituencies and the country as a whole, and
2) Their electoral futures depending on this performance

A great leader is someone who takes action only on the basis of what they see as good for the country as a whole. The idea that what is best for your individual narrow constituencies and the country as a whole is a logical fallacy. What would you do if in the middle of a war the Japanese were to state that they will treat your personal constituencies well if in exchange you agree to vote for an American surrender. The idea of personal interests should not even intersect with governance. For if you do what is best for the country your constituencies as well should naturally benefit, unless you're doing a rather shoddy job.

As opposed to Ceskari who has spent his days hunting moose only to take governance seriously at what seems to be coincidentally election season. Arya has consistently shown a virtuous demeanor. Addressing concerns as well as remaining true to the ideals of expansion and military protection.

Moreover for someone who claims to have such a huge fear for large parties your courageous stand in voting for the communist party candidate that at this moment controls the majority of the government pre-election seems awkward at best.
 
Also, GreyWithAnE: Arya is in the America's Fist Party (AmFist), not the America First Party (AFP).

I stand corrected! Arya, please accept my sincerest apologies. My esteem for you rises every post, so it seems. I would like to repay you, but alas my political powers are currently weak. In any case, I hereby rescind my earlier plea for voters to change their vote from arya to Ceskari. I will not change my own vote, as Ceskari remains my personal preference for the office in this election, but I would not condemn any who disagree with me, nor do I profess to hold an objective argument as to why they should change their votes.

Additionally, whether you win the presidency or not in this election, please let me sponsor a bill on your behalf in the next session of Congress. If there is any one bill you send me or ask me to craft (within reason...no "Immediately disband all units" or "Rename New York to Malibu"), consider it done.

And @LucienX:

Your bare polemics -- first against Sparthage, then against me -- are exhausting. Suffice to say, I never said incumbents are inherently better suited for government and I never said that the will of constituencies will always match the good of the country as a whole. Either of those stances would be, as you have illustrated, foolish. And I don't trade in foolish stances.

If anyone besides LucienX would like further explication on these points (ie, a line-by-line explanation on why my stances are not self-contradictory) then I would be happy to oblige. Say the word and you'll have a page-long post. But Lucien seems to be dedicated to endless useless debate, and I doubt any cogent explanation would ever placate him. Time is better spent addressing the real issues that face our country.
 
The campaigning is heating up. The Party volunteers have started going door to door encouraging the people to come to the polls. Tomorrow is the day!

Meanwhile, I am trying to prove my worthiness for the office. I took a swim in the Potomac, crossing the vast expanse of the river downstream from Washington to New York, in record time! Somehow however, although it seems very becoming of an American President to have a certain prowess among womenfolk, I am abit hesitant to venture in that area. I think one missus is enough.

(OOC: As to the moose hunting, I tried to entwine my real life into the story here, as I was spending a week in Northern Sweden in moose stands with poor internet connections. I also made a business trip to France but since we have no knowledge of whether France exists in this game, I didn't try to mix in that story. The Seattle trip however (earlier) blended in nicely, I think.)
 
the election sesion is heating with many debates and accusations. i just hope that these don't interefere with unity espically right now because we might have war with japan.

suggestion we just need about three minute men to defend washington because of their bonus in rough terrain. also i suggest we try to delay the invevitable to give us time to build our defenses
 
suggestion we just need about three minute men to defend washington because of their bonus in rough terrain. also i suggest we try to delay the invevitable to give us time to build our defenses
I think that would be overkill tss77. Three of our Unique Unit are not needed to defend one city, even if it's our capital. Military units are expensive to maintain, and the more we have, the less money we have to put into other worthy projects.
 
maybe about two or one and i didn't say we had to contruct them right away. we can build them when our economy gets stronger . also we need to put extra money on to our miltary for now so that we can survive a japenese attack
 
The best form of city defence is a siege engine inside the city with a melee unit situated nearby. This can generally hold up all but the most determined attacks long enough for help to arrive and potentially kill enough units capable of taking the city that the counter attack is more of a mopping up exercise.
 
The best form of city defence is a siege engine inside the city with a melee unit situated nearby. This can generally hold up all but the most determined attacks long enough for help to arrive and potentially kill enough units capable of taking the city that the counter attack is more of a mopping up exercise.
Exactly. Does anyone know if we have the tech needed for cannons? If not, we should try to research it while using our next settler to claim the iron.

edit: Just checked it. We can research it once we finish Gunpowder.
 
1.5 days remain. If you haven't voted yet, you may wish to do that. Or not. Its optional.

Also, I know there's been some discussion but I haven't seen a bill proposal or EO proposal from our Senator or President. So you may wish to do that. Or not. It too is optional.
 
I had almost forgotten to propose my bill!
Thank you, Chief Justice Yahzuk.

I propose the following:
America shall set Dynamite as its research goal.
Spoiler Bill Writing :
I'm learning. ;)
 
Executive Order produce barracks in Washington and New York. (In the interest of time, if the Supreme Court finds this order invalid, change it to produce barracks in Washington.)

Move the troops: 1st Company Pikemen on the field to take care of the barbarians, preferably using an attack from a beneficial terrain to our troops; move the Washington Pikeman unit (2nd Company) in a scissor movement on the East side of Tokyo; then garrison the New York unit (3rd Company) in Washington, and, in the event that a Japanese settler unit is sighted, capture it immediately, using the nearest available Company, declaring war on Japan.
 
Executive Order produce barracks in Washington and New York. (In the interest of time, if the Supreme Court finds this order invalid, change it to produce barracks in Washington.)

Move the troops: 1st Company Pikemen on the field to take care of the barbarians, preferably using an attack from a beneficial terrain to our troops; move the Washington Pikeman unit (2nd Company) in a scissor movement on the East side of Tokyo; then garrison the New York unit (3rd Company) in Washington, and, in the event that a Japanese settler unit is sighted, capture it immediately, using the nearest available Company, declaring war on Japan.

Dear Mr. President,

As a veteran of past games, you should be well aware that conditional orders are not permissable.
The requirements for bill/EO format have been asked and answered several times now.
Your military request greatly overstep your authority as commander in chief. See below excerpted from the constitution.

The President also serves as Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces.
Turn by turn control of militray units will be handled by Yahzuk.
The President may assign each military unit to one of the following functions:
National Guard - The unit protect the nation's borders
Expeditionary Forces - The unit will explore the unknown. Units will engage barbarians and enemy forces when deemed safe to do so.
Army X under the Command of Great General X - Unit will follow a Great General. The President may issue am objective to each General, such as "Capture city X" or "Defend Location X".
 
Dear Mr. President,

As a veteran of past games, you should be well aware that conditional orders are not permissable.
The requirements for bill/EO format have been asked and answered several times now.
Your military request greatly overstep your authority as commander in chief. See below excerpted from the constitution.

The President also serves as Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces.
Turn by turn control of militray units will be handled by Yahzuk.
The President may assign each military unit to one of the following functions:
National Guard - The unit protect the nation's borders
Expeditionary Forces - The unit will explore the unknown. Units will engage barbarians and enemy forces when deemed safe to do so.
Army X under the Command of Great General X - Unit will follow a Great General. The President may issue am objective to each General, such as "Capture city X" or "Defend Location X".

OK. Change the order to the following:

Move the troops: 1st Company Pikemen (Expeditionary force) on the field to engage the barbarians, when deemed safe; move the Washington Pikeman unit (2nd Company) in a scissor movement on the East side of Tokyo (Expeditionary force); move and garrison the New York unit (3rd Company) in Washington (National guard).
 
An updated list of votes according to my tally (Votes/Votes Needed in Spoiler)...

If the election ended now, these candidates would win...
Minor Party Presidential Candidate- arya126 (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition)
Minor Party Representative of Washington District 1 Candidate- TaintedTamt (Communist Party) NO CONTEST
Minor Party Senator of New York Candidate- GreyWithAnE (Independent)
Minor Party Representative of New York District 1 Candidate- Sparthage (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition)

The National/City Elections would then be...
President- arya126 (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition) NO CONTEST
Representative of Washington District 1- TaintedTamt (Communist Party) vs. Jehoshua (America First Party - Destiny Coalition)
Senator of New York- GreyWithAnE (Independent) NO CONTEST
Representative of New York District 1- Sparthage (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition) NO CONTEST
Spoiler Exact Tally :
Minor Party Candidate for President
arya126 (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition)- 5
Ceskari (Communist Party)- 4

Minor Party Candidate for Representative of Washington District 1 (NO CONTEST)
TaintedTamt (Communist Party)

Minor Party Candidate for Senator of New York
GreyWithAnE (No Party)- 3
Steel Knight (Expanionist Party - Destiny Coalition)- 2

Minor Party Candidate for Representative of New York District 1
Sparthage (America's Fist Party - Destiny Coalition)- 3
chgrogers (ASGP - Destiny Coalition)- 1
Spoiler Votes Recieved/Needed :
VOTES NEEDED IN RED

arya126 (Washington)-
President- arya126
Representative of Washington- Needed

Ceskari (Washington)-
President- Ceskari
Representative of Washington- TaintedTamt

chgrogers (New York)-
President- arya126
Representative of New York- chgrogers
Senator of New York- Steel Knight

filli noctus (Washington)-
President- arya126
Representative of Washington- Needed

Gigagar (Washington)-
President- Needed
Representative of Washington- Needed


GreyWithAnE (New York)-
President- Ceskari
Representative of New York- Sparthage
Senator of New York- GreyWithAnE

Omega124 (Washington)-
President- Needed
Representative of Washington- Needed


ShadowNX (Washington)-
President- Ceskari
Representative of Washington- TaintedTamt

Sparthage (New York)-
President- arya126
Representative of New York- Sparthage
Senator of New York- GreyWithAnE

Steel Knight (New York)-
President- Needed
Representative of New York- Needed

Senator of New York- Steel Knight

Tambien (Washington)-
President- Needed
Representative of Washington- Needed


TaintedTamt (Washington)-
President- Ceskari
Representative of Washington- TaintedTamt

Triskelli (Washington)-
President- Needed
Representative of Washington- Needed


Princeof Persia (New York)-
President- arya126
Representative of New York- Sparthage
Senator of New York- GreyWithAnE
 
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