A New Name

I must say I really like "Community Patch and Overhaul Project" and "Community Balance Overhaul".

Also, I disagree with Funak that it's too close to the current name. I think it just sounds and feels a lot better than the current name and therefor is enough to warrant change.

My two cents.
 
I don't see the point in keeping the current acronym - if part of the point of changing the name is to reduce confusion about CP vs. CPP vs. CBP, then changing the full name but keeping the acronym won't really help much there.
 
I like 'Balance of Power', but since it was one of my original suggestions, I would like it.:D

The OP says the reason for change is because of "confusion". Not sure changing 'Patch' to 'Overhaul' will alleviate that from user's minds.

Again I find myself agreeing with @Funak that dropping the 'Community' from the name may actually be the better option.
 
Gazebo said:
Community Balance of Power? Not bad. I could dig it. Still going to change the whole title of the project to CPOP though.

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i was thinking of "Civilization: Balance of Power" actually. this would be the "overhaul" package, formerly known as CP+CBP. don't know if CSD, C4DF etc should also be included.

the Community Patch keeps it name.
 
Funak said:
In my opinion this is a pretty clear case of the name not being stand out or different enough to actually be worth making a switch.
You're going to confuse people slightly at no actual benefit.

I think you're actually going to have to remove the word "Community" to actually make the change feel worth it. And no, this is not me wanting to take the community part out of the project, this is me echoing JFD saying that 'Community' is a bad word.
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100% agree. Either don't change the name, or else change it but remove Community. 'Community Overhaul' in particular is not an effective name at all.

The actual name does not matter that much so long as its SNAPPY and MEMORABLE, EASY TO USE and vaguely APPROPRIATE. People make up ridiculous names for things that end up working really well - it's ok it is sound mad at the start (eg. Google; Yahoo; Snapchat). 'Balance of Power' is a bad name because it is in no way memorable or snappy or easy to use. It could be any mod from any edition of Civ.
 
CiV:NEO - Never-Ending Overhaul

"Neo" seems appropriate - CBP is the revived, redone CiV - and, well...

Can you really envision actually finishing the CPP? Plus, it conveys that this brainchild has long been, and still will be, gestating and evolving.
 
Re:current CBP: I propose the approach Gazebo has already used for CP:E. With a name like that, it's clear that Community Patch is the basis that Events is expanded upon. Likewise, CP:OP (Overhaul Project) or CP:BOP (Balance of Power) has the notion l it's essentially an extention of CP. It also depicts that it can't be used without CP, which is true. Then we can also have CP:C (Corporations) and CP:CSD, all unified under the CP's flag.

Something's just hit me: with an approach like that, we wouldn't need to change the existing acronym of CBP by much - it could become CP:B (Community Patch: Balance), although it does sound quite bland to me.

For the full project, though, I suggest something like CP Full - short enough to do without abbreviations to avoid confusion. It should be clear to anybody that the full project is not just a branch of CP - it's the full project and it should stand out as being different.
 
Edaka said:
Re:current CBP: I propose the approach Gazebo has already used for CP:E. With a name like that, it's clear that Community Patch is the basis that Events is expanded upon. Likewise, CP:OP (Overhaul Project) or CP:BOP (Balance of Power) has the notion l it's essentially an extention of CP. It also depicts that it can't be used without CP, which is true. Then we can also have CP:C (Corporations) and CP:CSD, all unified under the CP's flag.

Something's just hit me: with an approach like that, we wouldn't need to change the existing acronym of CBP by much - it could become CP:B (Community Patch: Balance), although it does sound quite bland to me.

For the full project, though, I suggest something like CP Full - short enough to do without abbreviations to avoid confusion. It should be clear to anybody that the full project is not just a branch of CP - it's the full project and it should stand out as being different.
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Agree.
(Maybe "Full CP" instead of "CP Full")
 
Strawpoll is kinda close, doesn't seems like there is one category that is massively prefered. Which makes things kind of difficult.

I still think people miss the point of contention against descriptive names. To reiterate: They're hard to memorize, despite being too technical, verbose, and uninteresting.

Think about it: it's not really exciting to say "hey guys wanna play the 'community balance overhaul'? It sounds kind of lame when you put yourself in a non-modder perspective.
 
The simplest suggestion I can think of (other than not changing the name at all) is:

Community Patch (CP) stays the same
Community Balance Patch (CBP) becomes Community Balance Project (also CBP)
Community Patch Project (CPP) goes the way of the dodo
 
My two cents:

Rename the Community Patch to the Unofficial Patch. If I'm playing a game I'll often google " unofficial patch" to see if the community has improved on the game. I would never think to google Community Patch.

Combine the CBP and CPP into one project with an epic descriptive name and state that it is an overhaul/expansion based on the Unofficial Patch. Have the optional components be listed as additional modules under the main project.

Here's a thought: the community could, in a sense, be thought of as a nation of civ players. How about a name that incorporates the word nation? Civ5: CiviliNation Project ? Civ5: CivNation Project?
 
Agree with unofficial patch for the DLL side of things.

As for the "community balance", just call it the civfanatics expansion pack. The scope has gone FAR beyond a "patch", as anyone realizes on turn 1 as soon as they see Farming. It's basically a new version of the game.
 
Wodhann said:
Strawpoll is kinda close, doesn't seems like there is one category that is massively prefered. Which makes things kind of difficult.

I still think people miss the point of contention against descriptive names. To reiterate: They're hard to memorize, despite being too technical, verbose, and uninteresting.

Think about it: it's not really exciting to say "hey guys wanna play the 'community balance overhaul'? It sounds kind of lame when you put yourself in a non-modder perspective.
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Agreed, a non-sense name is probably a lot better in that case. Something that's easy to remember and that stands out.

I also do think your description of the categories could have added to the confusion, I mean the existing Civ Expansions are all what I would call Descriptive names, "Gods and Kings" for example describes the focus on religion, that being the main theme in the expansion.


ripple01 said:
Rename the Community Patch to the Unofficial Patch.
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I'm sorry, but you people suggesting things like this or "The one Patch to Rule them all" or "Civ5 Fixed" or things along those lines, you do realize how extremely insulting your name-suggestions are to all other modders, right?
You realize how extremely cocky it is to claim that your mod is the Unofficial patch.

I mean I remember there being a huge outcry from some other modder about the 'Unofficial Patch' for Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, and that was a game with like 4 mods.
 
Funak said:
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I'm sorry, but you people suggesting things like this or "The one Patch to Rule them all" or "Civ5 Fixed" or things along those lines, you do realize how extremely insulting your name-suggestions are to all other modders, right?
You realize how extremely cocky it is to claim that your mod is the Unofficial patch.

I mean I remember there being a huge outcry from some other modder about the 'Unofficial Patch' for Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, and that was a game with like 4 mods.
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No more cocky than claiming a mod is the Community Patch. We're arguing semantics here.
 
One of the most annoying things about being on this forum is the overuse of Acronyms!

I can never keep them straight.

Especially on this project. I have no idea what CPP CBP or CP ever stood for and it was always confusing.
I consider myself a frequent forum reader and long time player, and most of all an outsider.

Please use a Normal name without an Acronym attached to it.


Civ V: Redux
Civ V: Next Edition
Civ V: Overhaul

But if you're convinced it has to be an Acronym.

Civ V "Two"
Total World Overhaul
Total Works Overhaul
Total Whole Overhaul
 
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