A question to Communists:

[Tabasco Sauce]

A question to Communists, why do you still exist when every single attempt of communism has failed?

Also, why do you guys always feel the need to say that their has never been a true communist government when it has been pointed out that all attempts of communism has failed?

 

[greenpeace]

A question to Communists, why do you still exist when every single attempt of communism has failed?

Also, why do you guys always feel the need to say that their has never been a true communist government when it has been pointed out that all attempts of communism has failed?

Saying that the USSR failed means my system will fail is like saying Capitalism will fail because Pinochet did. In fact, I'd say America is a million times closer to the USSR than my system.
edit: to Basketcase and Gecko see the end of page 44.

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

Saying that the USSR failed means my system will fail is like saying Capitalism will fail because Pinochet did. In fact, I'd say America is a million times closer to the USSR than my system.
edit: to Basketcase and Gecko see the end of page 44.

Pinochet failed... actually, he didn't, considering the fact that he set the table for the regional power Chile has become today, but lets assume he did fail(he certainly did on social issues, he was a dictator no doubt). America, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc etc have succeeded. Capitalists have a better track record on success then communists who had... idk, the Paris Commune, which the Anarchists claim as their own.

Hmm... that trillion dollar tax cut Bush signed seems to refute your assumption that the USA is closer to the USSR. We also... come on, are you serious, how is the USSR and the USA anything alike, except the fact that they competed for world domination for decades?

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

Anyway, with any political system, if you accept the whole of the ideology, you accept its goods and bads. The best political system is one that transcends ideology, and mixes and matches the best things of all systems.

 

[greenpeace]

Pinochet failed... actually, he didn't, considering the fact that he set the table for the regional power Chile has become today, but lets assume he did fail(he certainly did on social issues, he was a dictator no doubt). America, Western Europe, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc etc have succeeded. Capitalists have a better track record on success then communists who had... idk, the Paris Commune, which the Anarchists claim as their own.
Hmm... that trillion dollar tax cut Bush signed seems to refute your assumption that the USA is closer to the USSR. We also... come on, are you serious, how is the USSR and the USA anything alike, except the fact that they competed for world domination for decades?

Lets see all the similarities that are shared that aren't in my beliefs:
1. Wide spread use of incentives
2. Hierarchy
3. Militarism
4. Nationalism supported
5. Centralization
6. Intellectual manipluation
Also they existed

 

[BasketCase]

Anyway, with any political system, if you accept the whole of the ideology, you accept its goods and bads. The best political system is one that transcends ideology, and mixes and matches the best things of all systems.

Capitalism is one of those; it can work with just about anybody.

 

[BasketCase]

By the way, GP, the only reason your brother is "allowed" to practice his.....dissident lifestyle.....is because he hasn't been caught.

Quick tip for ya: make sure I never find out where he lives. It will probably never happen, but if I ever did find out, I'd rat him out to the police immediately. I consider his lifestyle harmful (not to him, but to other people around him, and harmful to ME) and I will not tolerate it. Somebody tries to light a joint in my house, they get their nose broken.

 

[greenpeace]

By the way, GP, the only reason your brother is "allowed" to practice his.....dissident lifestyle.....is because he hasn't been caught.

Quick tip for ya: make sure I never find out where he lives. It will probably never happen, but if I ever did find out, I'd rat him out to the police immediately. I consider his lifestyle harmful (not to him, but to other people around him, and harmful to ME) and I will not tolerate it. Somebody tries to light a joint in my house, they get their nose broken.

Um, he's more of an acquaintance than a relative, but whatever (also it doesn't matter if you rat someone out, you have to prove it or else its meaningless).
Anyways, it doesn't matter what the reason is that he hasn't been stopped, the fact remains its impossible to have a true hegemony without essentially wiping out humanity. It also remains that its impossible to "delete" a political ideology. So yes, the US government could commit genocide against us (or mass arrest) although that may easily easily backfire due to a rather free press. But even if it didn't backfire it doesn't matter, anything you do against it, even wipe all human memory of it, is temporary in its effect. It will be reinvented or rediscovered, when the US, like all major powers before it, ceases to exist (or at least stop secret genocide against political minorities).
Just because there may be repression now doesn't mean its impossible.

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

Lets see all the similarities that are shared that aren't in my beliefs:
1. Wide spread use of incentives
2. Hierarchy
3. Militarism
4. Nationalism supported
5. Centralization
6. Intellectual manipluation
Also they existed

Centralization? Ever heard of Wal Mart?
Every nation has a Hierarchy
What militarism? Sorry, but considering the fact that we have to recruit criminals into our armed forces, I don't think militarism is widespread.
Nationalism Supported? Kinda vague
Intellectual manipulation... no?

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

Capitalism is one of those; it can work with just about anybody.

It can, but it has its own set of problems.

 

[BasketCase]

Centralization? Ever heard of Wal Mart?
Every nation has a Hierarchy
What militarism? Sorry, but considering the fact that we have to recruit criminals into our armed forces, I don't think militarism is widespread.
Nationalism Supported? Kinda vague
Intellectual manipulation... no?

Been there and done that, Tabasco. That guy's skull is solid neutronium. You'll never get through it.

Edit: Geez, don't post so fast.

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

By the way, GP, the only reason your brother is "allowed" to practice his.....dissident lifestyle.....is because he hasn't been caught.

Quick tip for ya: make sure I never find out where he lives. It will probably never happen, but if I ever did find out, I'd rat him out to the police immediately. I consider his lifestyle harmful (not to him, but to other people around him, and harmful to ME) and I will not tolerate it. Somebody tries to light a joint in my house, they get their nose broken.

I haven't seen what Greeny said, but are you implying that you would rat him out(whoever he is) for smoking a joint? If he is fleecing puppies, fine, but smoking a joint in and of itself is less harmful then alcohol and cigarettes. Alas... another thread

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

Been there and done that, Tabasco. That guy's skull is solid neutronium. You'll never get through it.

Edit: Geez, don't post so fast.

Well, i'm bored and nobody is on aim, so CFC is a nice alternative.

 

[BasketCase]

True dat. Certainly better than the last forum board I frequented four years ago. That one HAD NO RULES. Anything short of real-life death threats was fair game. That web site sucked on a biblical scale.

Anyway--yes, this is off topic, and I don't care. I'm gonna type a couple lines on it. Drugs and alcohol short-circuit the brain and cause normally harmless people to become dangerous to others. Say, by not having the sense to let somebody else drive.

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

True dat. Certainly better than the last forum board I frequented four years ago. That one HAD NO RULES. Anything short of real-life death threats was fair game. That web site sucked on a biblical scale.

Anyway--yes, this is off topic, and I don't care. I'm gonna type a couple lines on it. Drugs and alcohol short-circuit the brain and cause normally harmless people to become dangerous to others. Say, by not having the sense to let somebody else drive.

So Alcohol, in your... I don't want to hijack this thread, I made another one, lol

 

[LightFang]

True dat. Certainly better than the last forum board I frequented four years ago. That one HAD NO RULES. Anything short of real-life death threats was fair game. That web site sucked on a biblical scale.

Anyway--yes, this is off topic, and I don't care. I'm gonna type a couple lines on it. Drugs and alcohol short-circuit the brain and cause normally harmless people to become dangerous to others. Say, by not having the sense to let somebody else drive.

I've been in arguments with leftist pinkos (leftist rhetoric sounds so naive coming from a middle-aged man...) so let me save Tabasco some breath:

WHERE IS THE LD50 FOR MARIJUANA????? I BET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS LOL! IT'S NOT HARMFUL AT ALL!!!

 

[greenpeace]

Centralization? Ever heard of Wal Mart?

The major political decisions for the political entities come from a national government that makes up a very small percent of the population.

Every nation has a Hierarchy

Not in my system.

What militarism? Sorry, but considering the fact that we have to recruit criminals into our armed forces, I don't think militarism is widespread.

Well relative to a extreme lack of any aggressive military action being legal, both entities are militaristic.

Nationalism Supported? Kinda vague

Let me put it this way: "Reverand Wright and Obama." In other words, nationalism is an important aspect expected of the citizen.

Intellectual manipulation... no?

From the advertisement banner in CFC the paraphrased message is "join the military and you'll be stronger then you ever imagined." There is great incentive for people to be nationalistic in gneral.

I haven't seen what Greeny said, but are you implying that you would rat him out(whoever he is) for smoking a joint? If he is fleecing puppies, fine, but smoking a joint in and of itself is less harmful then alcohol and cigarettes. Alas... another thread

He is trying to imply that my system can't exist because the US government can somehow magically wipe out political ideologies.

Been there and done that, Tabasco. That guy's skull is solid neutronium. You'll never get through it.

Didn't you have a rule against calling people stupid (that's a rhetorical question by the way)?

WHERE IS THE LD50 FOR MARIJUANA????? I BET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS LOL! IT'S NOT HARMFUL AT ALL!!!

What I don't get is why alchol is allowed but not marijuana, since alchol is at the least equally harmful.

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

The major political decisions for the political entities come from a national government that makes up a very small percent of the population.

Not in my system.

Well relative to a extreme lack of any aggressive military action being legal, both entities are militaristic.

Let me put it this way: "Reverand Wright and Obama." In other words, nationalism is an important aspect expected of the citizen.

From the advertisement banner in CFC the paraphrased message is "join the military and you'll be stronger then you ever imagined." There is great incentive for people to be nationalistic in gneral.


He is trying to imply that my system can't exist because the US government can somehow magically wipe out political ideologies.

Didn't you have a rule against calling people stupid (that's a rhetorical question by the way)?

Well... we can have a direct democracy of 300 million people. That would work great

Which doesn't work

we agree to disagree

no, what Wright said was hate "God Damn America" is different from "God Damn Bush/Government" He damned every single American including himself, because he himself is an American.

It is used to get impressionable kids into the military. "Get shot in Iraq, get paid near nothing and get horrible medical treatment if shot at Walter Reed" doesn't get people in uniform.

 

[greenpeace]

Well... we can have a direct democracy of 300 million people. That would work great

Which doesn't work

we agree to disagree

To impose a direct democracy on the American people wouldn't just be stupid it would be violating the laws of my system (even though its based on direct democracy). But if everyone wanted my system I can't see any reason it might faulter (almost certainly less capital producing, but the point obviously isn't to produce more).

no, what Wright said was hate "God Damn America" is different from "God Damn Bush/Government" He damned every single American including himself, because he himself is an American.

Either way nationalism is an important part of American culture as well as the USSR (although again its relative since the USSR was much more extreme, but America is more extreme than my system).

It is used to get impressionable kids into the military. "Get shot in Iraq, get paid near nothing and get horrible medical treatment if shot at Walter Reed" doesn't get people in uniform.

Yes, thankfully there is a free press, so mental manipulation is relatively lower than the USSR, but still comparably higher than their would theoretically be in my system (since there is no real incentive for mental manipulation).

 

[Tabasco Sauce]

To impose a direct democracy on the American people wouldn't just be stupid it would be violating the laws of my system (even though its based on direct democracy). But if everyone wanted my system I can't see any reason it might faulter (almost certainly less capital producing, but the point obviously isn't to produce more).

Either way nationalism is an important part of American culture as well as the USSR (although again its relative since the USSR was much more extreme, but America is more extreme than my system).

Yes, thankfully there is a free press, so mental manipulation is relatively lower than the USSR, but still comparably higher than their would theoretically be in my system (since there is no real incentive for mental manipulation).

You know, refering to "your system" is like the guy saying "Oh yea, my slong is bigger" then describing how it is perfect and magnificent, without flaw.

Back to the topic, Nationalism never existed officially in the Soviet Union. The secular religion of Marxist-Leninism existed. Last time I checked, ML didn't do so well here. Oh sure, they got Lucille Ball...