Narz
keeping it real
Heh heh. I had a feeling you'd say that.Bozo Erectus said:
A questionnaire of 10 (ten) random (non-political) statements.
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Abaddon
Deity
this thread would be a lot easier to follow if it were 10 seperate threads?
I think the OP is trying to avoid disscusion on individual questions.Abaddon said:
Shadylookin
master debater
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
well nature is inheritantly neutral because it just is. if you are speaking from a societal point then no we are not all evil because soceity would not function is everyone performed in such things as murder or rape.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
wisdoms typically comes through experience, and while i imagine there would be some suffering there would probably have to be some enjoyment as well.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
Not even close.
4.People are essentially the same.
Biologically yes but we each have different types of personalities.
5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
that's fairly relative. i'd take mild depression over a lifetime of explosive diarrhea
6.True peace can never be obtained.
true peace is boring and bad for mental health. humans need mild amounts of stress.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
I don't believe in god, but if any exists i would hope they would be above all the petty human bickering. deities have an entire universe to run and maintain your doctrinal differences should be irrelevant to them(as should your existance really).
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
children's minds haven't fully developed and neither have their bodies
9.The good die young.
Not really, the only people that i've known die young weren't that good.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
I suppose, but if you're not emotionally happy who cares if you can take pi to the 9000th digit.
well nature is inheritantly neutral because it just is. if you are speaking from a societal point then no we are not all evil because soceity would not function is everyone performed in such things as murder or rape.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
wisdoms typically comes through experience, and while i imagine there would be some suffering there would probably have to be some enjoyment as well.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
Not even close.
4.People are essentially the same.
Biologically yes but we each have different types of personalities.
5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
that's fairly relative. i'd take mild depression over a lifetime of explosive diarrhea
6.True peace can never be obtained.
true peace is boring and bad for mental health. humans need mild amounts of stress.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
I don't believe in god, but if any exists i would hope they would be above all the petty human bickering. deities have an entire universe to run and maintain your doctrinal differences should be irrelevant to them(as should your existance really).
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
children's minds haven't fully developed and neither have their bodies
9.The good die young.
Not really, the only people that i've known die young weren't that good.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
I suppose, but if you're not emotionally happy who cares if you can take pi to the 9000th digit.
ybbor
Will not change his avata
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
undecided. I would lean toward true, but a convincing argument could easily push me the other way.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
false. only creates a restriction, and finding joy in God is certainly spirtiually enlightening
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
False. 1st century AD, the first century ever, and the last century ever will certainly be more. Even by current historical stqandards I don't think we're that amazing.
4.People are essentially the same.
True. They're unique, just like everybody else
(And I'm unique for posting that comment and feeling smart for posting something so philisophical. Aren't I the specialist person to ever live?)
5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
unsure of the question. Some extremely minor ADD doesn't compare to terminal cancer, just as suicidal depression doesn't compare to a tooth-ache. You can only compare equal magnitudes of illness, and that would prevent a ranking. For the question as I understand it, I'll lean toward true.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
True, provided we're talking about this side of eternity
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
True. Has anyone said false?
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
False. I wouldn't trust a three-year-old with my taxes in the same way I wouldn't trust them on the supreme court. They don't have the capacity to make complicated decsions, economic, personal or moral.
9.The good die young.
False? not certain of the question
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Emotions are an entirely seperate area than intelligence. However, emotions are often a hinderance to reason and decsion-making. Although they are necessary (just like I wouldn't truast a machine on the supreme court)
And may I ask why you put out this survey?
undecided. I would lean toward true, but a convincing argument could easily push me the other way.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
false. only creates a restriction, and finding joy in God is certainly spirtiually enlightening
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
False. 1st century AD, the first century ever, and the last century ever will certainly be more. Even by current historical stqandards I don't think we're that amazing.
4.People are essentially the same.
True. They're unique, just like everybody else
(And I'm unique for posting that comment and feeling smart for posting something so philisophical. Aren't I the specialist person to ever live?) 5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
unsure of the question. Some extremely minor ADD doesn't compare to terminal cancer, just as suicidal depression doesn't compare to a tooth-ache. You can only compare equal magnitudes of illness, and that would prevent a ranking. For the question as I understand it, I'll lean toward true.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
True, provided we're talking about this side of eternity
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
True. Has anyone said false?
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
False. I wouldn't trust a three-year-old with my taxes in the same way I wouldn't trust them on the supreme court. They don't have the capacity to make complicated decsions, economic, personal or moral.
9.The good die young.
False? not certain of the question
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Emotions are an entirely seperate area than intelligence. However, emotions are often a hinderance to reason and decsion-making. Although they are necessary (just like I wouldn't truast a machine on the supreme court)
And may I ask why you put out this survey?
Masquerouge
Deity
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
What is evil?
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
I know from experience this is not true.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
What would make the 21st century so special? Why do people think the period they live in has a special place in history?
4.People are essentially the same.
cultural, physical, and spiritual differences aside, yes, they are.
5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
There is no "worst" illness. Some things simply can not be ranked.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
On what level? Personal or between nations? What's "true"?
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
There is no God.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
There is. A huge one. That's why kids need parents.
9.The good die young.
Of course not: it's the "people made good after their death" that die young. James Dean, JFK...
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Again from personal experience, they're not.
What is evil?
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
I know from experience this is not true.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
What would make the 21st century so special? Why do people think the period they live in has a special place in history?
4.People are essentially the same.
cultural, physical, and spiritual differences aside, yes, they are.
5.Mental illness is the worst illness.
There is no "worst" illness. Some things simply can not be ranked.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
On what level? Personal or between nations? What's "true"?
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
There is no God.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
There is. A huge one. That's why kids need parents.
9.The good die young.
Of course not: it's the "people made good after their death" that die young. James Dean, JFK...
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Again from personal experience, they're not.
Masquerouge
Deity
Shadylookin said:
Best reply so far, by far !
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
ybbor said:
These questions/statements have been brewing in my head for the past few days.
Just wanted to put them out.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
A clarification about question #5: I probably meant to say something like:
"Mental illness is the worst kind of illness."
I will now edit the question.
"Mental illness is the worst kind of illness."
I will now edit the question.
On the topic of mental illness...it can be treated...and there's so many different kinds and levels...but it's the same as physical illnesses so again, I can't say one is worse than the other.
However...
Certain physical illnesses, such as terminal cancer, can't be treated...and I can only imagine the type of hardache knowing that your going to die could cause (espcially if you're young) added on to all of the physical pains.
I guess, what I'm trying to say is that mental illness and physcial illness are many times related...and are a cause and effect relationship.
However...
Certain physical illnesses, such as terminal cancer, can't be treated...and I can only imagine the type of hardache knowing that your going to die could cause (espcially if you're young) added on to all of the physical pains.
I guess, what I'm trying to say is that mental illness and physcial illness are many times related...and are a cause and effect relationship.
ummmm........
Extremely normal.
I went with false on mental illness because physical illness is so much more often lethal. You can die from mental illness, but it's more likely to just decrease your quality of life to a greater or lesser degree until a physical illness comes along to actually finish you off . . .
You know, all these question do have political implications.
[/QUOTE]5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.[/QUOTE]
I don't know.
[/QUOTE]No. Any portion of human nature that is negetive is proable counterweighed with a good portion of human nature.Dawgphood001 said:
No. There is no such thing as "Spirtual enlightment/wisdom".Dawgphood001 said:
Yes. The factors seem to be coming all together for a very unstable world.Dawgphood001 said:
Biologically, we are mostly the same (else we wouldn't be human!). Pychologically, we are very different.Dawgphood001 said:
[/QUOTE]5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.[/QUOTE]
I don't know.
Yes. It shouldn't keep people from pursing it as a goal.Dawgphood001 said:
No. God does not exist. And if he did, the evience point towards him being a very unloving being.Dawgphood001 said:
No. There is a world of different between adults & children.Dawgphood001 said:
Doubt it.Dawgphood001 said:
Generally, no. It can only hinder when people allow their feeling to block their rational mind.Dawgphood001 said:
Reno
The Studio Ghibli Fanatic
Humans are capable of doing both good and evil, however the human nature is not evil. I'd challenge you to find a throughtly evil person, who doesn't have even one piece of good in them. Also, what is evil is very subjective.
Not necessarily.
That can only be said after it has passed, but it's possible.
No. Every human individual is quite different from one another (identical twins might be an exception). But as a one Human species all humans have quite a lot in common, genetically and othervise. (There are no separate human races, we are all one human race/species)
No. Illnesses cannot truly be ranked. Also, Mental Ilnesses vary quite greatly in severity and effects. The same as all physical wounds and injuries.
No. It can be, we humans just haven't truly gotten to it yet. But it's achievable.
True, (If god exists, that is.) as God created every single being and as such loves them no matter wat they are or what they have done.
Can't really say. Maybe in mental maturity there is a great leap between the two.
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily.
Immelmann said:
Depends on the illness. Some ilnesses' effects can be treated or lessened, while others can't really be effected. Also, the mentally ill person is better off with getting suitable treatment as soon as it is possible, like Therapy for example. That's what I had. And because of it I can live a relatively normal life with little to no effects, even if it (Asperger) can make life difficult at times.
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
False
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
False, it is experience. Of course those experiences can also be 'suffering'.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
False
4.People are essentially the same.
True
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
False..
6.True peace can never be obtained.
True, since that would mean total harmony.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
True! He doesn't need you to kiss his ass, and I'm sure he has a great sense of humor.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
False.. the difference is 'responsability'.
9.The good die young.
False, I don't want to die young.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
False. They might hinder it sometimes, yet other times they actually help it.
And although most of this isn't directly political, it does have a lot to do with it! The way you define human nature has a lot of influence on your political views.
False
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
False, it is experience. Of course those experiences can also be 'suffering'.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
False
4.People are essentially the same.
True
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
False..
6.True peace can never be obtained.
True, since that would mean total harmony.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
True! He doesn't need you to kiss his ass, and I'm sure he has a great sense of humor.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
False.. the difference is 'responsability'.
9.The good die young.
False, I don't want to die young.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
False. They might hinder it sometimes, yet other times they actually help it.
And although most of this isn't directly political, it does have a lot to do with it! The way you define human nature has a lot of influence on your political views.
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
Can't be true. Evil is that which we willingly do wrong, so it can't be part of our nature. We are inherently morally neutral, with incentives to do both right and wrong.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
I believe so. True insights can only come through hardship, which is why hardship exists.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
For some, perhaps. In the sense that there are more people now then ever, there will be more total suffering, but on average it will probably be the same as other centuries.
4.People are essentially the same.
Everyone has the same or similar circumstances acting on and motivating them, but there is a difference in how they respond.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
It sucks hardcore, I can tell you, but I think spiritual illness is worse. That of course assumes that such a thing as spiritual suffering exists.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
In this life, no. Human nature is not going to change anytime soon.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
Yes. His love is unconditional. However, He prefers that we do certain things.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
There are major differences, but of degree, not kind. A child is just a pre-adult.
9.The good die young.
Sometimes. Age of death and goodness are usually unrelated.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Emotions are a natural and usually unremoveable part of the human mind. They may cause us to do unintelligent things, but only if we let them.
Can't be true. Evil is that which we willingly do wrong, so it can't be part of our nature. We are inherently morally neutral, with incentives to do both right and wrong.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
I believe so. True insights can only come through hardship, which is why hardship exists.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
For some, perhaps. In the sense that there are more people now then ever, there will be more total suffering, but on average it will probably be the same as other centuries.
4.People are essentially the same.
Everyone has the same or similar circumstances acting on and motivating them, but there is a difference in how they respond.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
It sucks hardcore, I can tell you, but I think spiritual illness is worse. That of course assumes that such a thing as spiritual suffering exists.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
In this life, no. Human nature is not going to change anytime soon.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
Yes. His love is unconditional. However, He prefers that we do certain things.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
There are major differences, but of degree, not kind. A child is just a pre-adult.
9.The good die young.
Sometimes. Age of death and goodness are usually unrelated.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Emotions are a natural and usually unremoveable part of the human mind. They may cause us to do unintelligent things, but only if we let them.
Pyrite
Emperor
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
No. Humanity is by it's very nature human.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
No. Wisdom can be gained from any experience, negative, positive, neutral. We learn just by watching how things work.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
Maybe, maybe not.
4.People are essentially the same.
No, people are different essentially, not necesarrily unequal, but thank god, they are essentially different, and are a wellspring of different emotions, histories and cultures.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
Categorizing illnesses isn't up to me, as I don't experience any of the really bad ones, so how could I know?
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Sure it could. Wipe everyone out. Brainwash/sedate everyone.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
It's not the bible that you drew that conclusion from.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
Extremely wrong. Adults are rusted.
9.The good die young.
Definitly true. Over time you compromise and lose yourself till you're just a shell of yourself. Exceptions exist, but kid it's the rule.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence
Application of intelligence without emotion is not really possible. Cold logic to achieve a goal qualifies as emotion as it is a desire. There is no truly mathematical thinking since the impetus that drew about that thinking was emotionally inspired.
No. Humanity is by it's very nature human.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
No. Wisdom can be gained from any experience, negative, positive, neutral. We learn just by watching how things work.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
Maybe, maybe not.
4.People are essentially the same.
No, people are different essentially, not necesarrily unequal, but thank god, they are essentially different, and are a wellspring of different emotions, histories and cultures.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
Categorizing illnesses isn't up to me, as I don't experience any of the really bad ones, so how could I know?
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Sure it could. Wipe everyone out. Brainwash/sedate everyone.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
It's not the bible that you drew that conclusion from.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
Extremely wrong. Adults are rusted.
9.The good die young.
Definitly true. Over time you compromise and lose yourself till you're just a shell of yourself. Exceptions exist, but kid it's the rule.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence
Application of intelligence without emotion is not really possible. Cold logic to achieve a goal qualifies as emotion as it is a desire. There is no truly mathematical thinking since the impetus that drew about that thinking was emotionally inspired.
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
Nope, we are by nature, naturally greedy.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
Nope, is called Education, although that may come off as suffering.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
every new century is.
4.People are essentially the same.
Sure why not, minus a minor differences.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
Yea, thats all yea
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Absoultly, there will always be some other enemy
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
God does'nt exist hence he can't love everyone
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
nope, Adults have reason, well most, Children on the most part lack reason.
9.The good die young.
no, it doesnt matter your age you can still be good
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Absoultly, emotions are pointless unless they some how better you
Nope, we are by nature, naturally greedy.
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
Nope, is called Education, although that may come off as suffering.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
every new century is.
4.People are essentially the same.
Sure why not, minus a minor differences.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
Yea, thats all yea
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Absoultly, there will always be some other enemy
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
God does'nt exist hence he can't love everyone
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
nope, Adults have reason, well most, Children on the most part lack reason.
9.The good die young.
no, it doesnt matter your age you can still be good
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
Absoultly, emotions are pointless unless they some how better you
EolTheDarkElf
Suspended animation
1.Humanity is by its very nature evil.
I would say humanity has by its very nature some evil qualities. Like greed, jealousy, aggressivness. But I don't think you can put all humanity in a box and label it with one word "evil". Besides "evil" is a man made classification, if all humanity was "evil" how could it even define "evil"?
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
Suffering is a by product of bad decisions that we can learn from. We don't achieve enlightement through suffering, but a path to enlightment is often painful. As is life.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
It could be in absolute terms, but if you take into account the number of people and the complexity of range of human relations, then relatively it won't
be different from all the others.
4.People are essentially the same.
People are essentially the same, but people also find relatively minor differences to be very important, while at the same time they tend to disregard obvious similarities. This is why we seem so different from one another.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
That's nowhere near precise enough to be answerable. For starters it depends who you mean, the sick person or their family, etc.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Same as above. What kind of peace (inner peace, peace as in "peaceful neighbourhood", international peace), and what is meant by "true"? I think a satisfactory state of any "peace" can be achieved, but cannot be indifinitely sustained.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
I can't answer this question, since I don't believe any God capable of loving exists.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
The only difference between adults and children is the level of knowledge, experience, intellectual capability (mean) and some obvious physical differences. Specifically I think human rights are exactly the same for adults and children. So yes, children and adults are more alike than different.
9.The good die young.
No particular reason to believe this IMO.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
I wouldn't call it a hindrance to intelligence, but emotions often dictate something different than a cold calculation does. Different means just that, different. Whether it's better or worse would once again depend on the deffinition of "good" and "bad".
I would say humanity has by its very nature some evil qualities. Like greed, jealousy, aggressivness. But I don't think you can put all humanity in a box and label it with one word "evil". Besides "evil" is a man made classification, if all humanity was "evil" how could it even define "evil"?
2.Spiritual enlightenment/wisdom can only be obtained through suffering.
Suffering is a by product of bad decisions that we can learn from. We don't achieve enlightement through suffering, but a path to enlightment is often painful. As is life.
3.The 21st Century will be the most tumultuous century in history.
It could be in absolute terms, but if you take into account the number of people and the complexity of range of human relations, then relatively it won't
be different from all the others.
4.People are essentially the same.
People are essentially the same, but people also find relatively minor differences to be very important, while at the same time they tend to disregard obvious similarities. This is why we seem so different from one another.
5.Mental illness is the worst kind of illness.
That's nowhere near precise enough to be answerable. For starters it depends who you mean, the sick person or their family, etc.
6.True peace can never be obtained.
Same as above. What kind of peace (inner peace, peace as in "peaceful neighbourhood", international peace), and what is meant by "true"? I think a satisfactory state of any "peace" can be achieved, but cannot be indifinitely sustained.
7.God loves everyone. Atheist, criminal, different religion, doesn't matter.
I can't answer this question, since I don't believe any God capable of loving exists.
8.There is little or no difference between adults and children.
The only difference between adults and children is the level of knowledge, experience, intellectual capability (mean) and some obvious physical differences. Specifically I think human rights are exactly the same for adults and children. So yes, children and adults are more alike than different.
9.The good die young.
No particular reason to believe this IMO.
10.Emotions are a hindrance to intelligence.
I wouldn't call it a hindrance to intelligence, but emotions often dictate something different than a cold calculation does. Different means just that, different. Whether it's better or worse would once again depend on the deffinition of "good" and "bad".
Zoso318
Chieftain
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1. Evil is relative to the society you live in. Humans are weak, which usually leads to evil.
2. Disagree.
3. Maybe, we'll see if this is the century where all the tension in the Middle East finally becomes too much and someone snaps.
4. Most people's genetics are almost all the same but our minds our all different.
5. Nah, Like someone said before spiritual illness is worse
6. True peace can only be obtained (between nations) if there is no freedom. Sorta like 1984, war is peace.
7. I think god is scared and regretful of what he/she/it has created.
8. Disagree, maturity is a huge factor.
9. Many of the evil also die young. The risk takers die young and usually remembered, however that in itself does not make them good.
10. They are a hinderence if you are thinking about a subject that your are passionate about but thta doesnt mean you are less intelligent.
2. Disagree.
3. Maybe, we'll see if this is the century where all the tension in the Middle East finally becomes too much and someone snaps.
4. Most people's genetics are almost all the same but our minds our all different.
5. Nah, Like someone said before spiritual illness is worse
6. True peace can only be obtained (between nations) if there is no freedom. Sorta like 1984, war is peace.
7. I think god is scared and regretful of what he/she/it has created.
8. Disagree, maturity is a huge factor.
9. Many of the evil also die young. The risk takers die young and usually remembered, however that in itself does not make them good.
10. They are a hinderence if you are thinking about a subject that your are passionate about but thta doesnt mean you are less intelligent.
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