A Tale of One City [Game Thread]

Day 3 is over

This was a long day, for the people. While the majority of the votes fell on BigTin, many others struggled about who else to kill. Near the end of the day, one man had gotten so tired from the debating he begun calling to lynch a poor man named Pedro. Finally, Bigtin was brought up to the gallows and hung.

Spoiler :
Bigtin was lynched, he was MAFIA!



Spoiler :
Bigtin- (11) BSmith Olaf Verarde Joan MErgle Jarrema Daveshack John Diana Yoshie Darth

ATPG- (1) Joecoolyo

Zack- (1) Bigtin

Bsmith- (2) ATPG Landlubber

Landlubber- (3) Zack Kennigit Chox


Living

1) General Olaf
2) DaveShack
3) MjM
4)
5) Verarde
6) Mergle
7) landlubber
8)
9)
10) choxorn
11) CELTICEMPIRE
12) Kennigit
13) BSmith1068
14) LordNwahs6
15) Jarrema
16)
17) Zack
18) askthepizzaguy
19) Joecoolyo
20)
21) JoanK
22) Darth Caesar
23) Diana Abnoba
24) Yoshiegg737
25) johnhughthom

Dead

1) Red_Spy --Lynched day 1 --Innocent
2) Classical_Hero --Killed night 1 --Innocent
3) Ninjacow64 --Lynched day 2--Mafia
4) MoreEpicThanYou --killed night 1--Innocent
5) BigTin --Lynched day 3-- Mafia

Night 3 ends in 24 hours​
 
:lol:

Well, shut me up why don't you?

Well spotted BSmith. Looks like I owe you my head tomorrow. And yet somehow, I feel like laughing.
 
Vote:BSmith

+ 1 scummy points for Zack

I'm with Olaf. BigTin. And, sorry conspiracy fans (ATPG), but I had genuinely forgotten about signing up for this (there was quite a gap) and I think it's bad form to use a false non-game-related explanation (smacks of cheating to me) so I never lie about non-game issues on principle. I voted JoanK because behaviour appeared random, but the later heartfelt (or superb acting) explained away the random behaviour convincingly. And made me feel like a heel.

+ 1 scummy points for Mergle

Vote: Zack and I FOS: choxorn because they waited till I defended myself to vote for me today, unvoting from BSmith making me think that they are on a team, possibly with BSmith even though 4 mafia would be a lot.

FOS Choxorn? Now that's just weird.

Vote: BigTin

+ 1 johnhughthom points for being johnhughthom. The only cure is death.

This post strikes me as very anti-town and demoralizing. It's clear that that's not what ATPG was saying. Why try to get him lynched?
Vote: Zack.

+ 1 scummy points for the lubber man.

Ginormous post, followed by:

Unvote, Vote: landlubber

My vote on ATPG was just to see how he responded. I don't think he merits a lynch at this point in time. As for you, you didn't vote for NinjaCow and you just fawned over ATPG like he was a walking pair of boobies. "Voting against ATPG? THAT MEANS DEATH!!!!"

+ 1 scummy points for Zack

I honestly think lynching BigTin is a poor move and a waste of time, I think we both agree on that much. I would much rather see BSmith or Mergle put to the lynch than him.

+ 1 scummy points for Zack

To Kennigit: Yeah, the vote on JoanK was a mistake. He's new and all that, and I definitely should have cut him some slack.
Voting Zack seemed like it made sense at the time, but the more I think about it, the more it doesn't make any sense.
So, I'll unvote: Zack and Vote: BSmith. Among other things, post 176 strikes me as scummy. "How am I acting like a scumbag? I honestly don't see it." I've noticed that I, along with other people, I'm sure, never use the word honestly as town and almost always use it when they're scumbags trying to seem innocent.

+ 1 scummy points for landlubber

Kennigit, I don't understand you're "Zack is so, so scummy, and so distracting" rant, when you vote for the same person I do.

And the probability thing showed that there is an extremely low chance of lynching two mafia two days in a row this early. Thus, it's likely that the top lynch candidates for today are innocent.

Can someone tell me what the case on BigTin even is?

+ 1 scummy points for Zack

Now that I look at this post more, I'm liking BSmith as a lynch candidate more.

Trying to save Ninja or something? is what really bugs me. As in, "I know Ninja is mafia, why aren't you voting for him like I am? How suspicious of you!"

Looking back, I see ATPG very briefly mentioned that part, but instead chose to really hone in on the timing of BSmith's vote. Trying to save Ninja or something? should be the focal point of the case, IMO.

Zack seems particularly focused on this round and keeps going back to the drawing board and agreeing with me further and further. Something has piqued Zack's interest and I don't mean having a lovely debate with Askthepizzaguy.

+ 2 scummy points for Zack.

And even though he has the "I must retreat" attitude, he still manages to pepper ATPG with kisses.

We all love the Pizzaman, landlubber, but blind devotion is frowned upon hereabouts!

Thar be scum somewhere between Zack and landlubber. Both are guilty of focusing on me way too much.

All your talk of distractions is rather distracting. ;)

I do not think I've ever seen Zack post so frequently in any given round, ever.

Correct me with examples, anyone. Zack is basically frantic here.

I think Zack argued hard for anyone to be lynched except BigTin.

______________________________________________


Conclusion: BSmith is god, and I suck.

Further comment: Zack seems rather guilty to me.
If not him, then Mergle.
If not him, then landlubber.


Now, take this all with a grain of salt, for I Askthepizzaguy went after BSmith, the accuser of BigTin, and that earns me about a billion scummy points. The shame, the shame. Oh noes.

So after you lynch me tomorrow, or whenever, recall this post and you might be able to take it a little bit more seriously.
 
That post felt like a last will and testament.

:hammer2:

Well it makes sense now. Zack watched both of his teammates crumble before his eyes early on, and tried to persuade us from lynching BigTin with his statistical analysis which concluded that by voting randomly, we were extremely unlikely to lynch two mafia in a row.

His summary post at the end which I thought read like a last will and testament is Zack's swan song. The reason why it gave me the impression he thought he was going to die soon could be because if BigTin gets lynched, he's completely and utterly boned. And I don't mean "boned", I mean a word that I cannot repeat here due to CFC censorship.

That's the desperation I felt, but I misconstrued it to mean that he thought he was going to get murdered and that's why he wanted to share his final analysis with everyone. That being said, why would Zack think he's about to get murdered? Others I mentioned like Diana and JoanK are never going to get lynched, therefore they're almost a necessity to be murdered soon. Zack on the other hand has no exonerating evidence, and several folks have pointed fingers at him. Why murder Zack?

My realization here is that the play you've just witnessed this round was the game being on the line for one team: the mafia team. They cannot afford to lose BigTin and NinjaCow so early, and since Zack wasn't looking nearly pro-town enough, he gave an heroic effort at looking supertownie this round while also sparing BigTin, or attempting to. It was the only way he and BigTin would survive the next dozen or so rounds.

Go for BSmith, he said, but if not, how about these half dozen others? Surely we would never need to revisit the BigTin issue after BSmith flipped.

Anyway. If you're on a mafia team of 3-4, and you just lost member 1 and are about to lose member 2 on round three, do you just sit back and say nothing, or do you try to influence the results? Do you bus your partner early, or late, or not at all?

For me, I don't think it's worth it to bus your partner here, because that leaves you no tactical options later. You have to gamble that the town mislynches. The remainder of the game is just going to be hell for you by yourself.

Bussing late only makes you look worse, but some folks still try it when all else fails.

So my conclusion is that someone tried to raise a big stink about changing the results. Maybe not the biggest stink, but at least a stink. The folks who really tried to influence this lynch were:

1) Askthepizzaguy- guilty of that much, it's a fair cop.
2) Zack, for everything and this especially.
3) General Olaf, with this post. Thing is, he was trying to influence the lynch toward killing BigTin first and then working from there. Hardly scummy of him.
4) choxorn, who had multiple posts and multiple observations during the round, and a vote flip-flop about halfway through, and then again later.
5) Kennigit, bucking the wagon with a big case post here.
6) landlubber whose presence was felt constantly and he had vote switches.
7) BSmith, whose influence was felt all round, trying to get us to lynch the correct suspect. Hardly scummy of him.

So, that's:

  • Askthepizzaguy
  • Zack
  • landlubber
  • Kennigit
  • choxorn

No one else really tried to influence the lynch or change its course. And I'd like to give a nice shout-out to Joecoolyo for keeping his cool and not giving a flying turkey neck about the outcome, which generally removes him from my suspicions.

Of these, choxorn seems cleanest, though he's got a little bit of dirt on him when compared to his earlier immaculate appearance.

Kennigit didn't overdo it, and it felt natural to me. I'm willing to explore that one at a later time.

Landlubber does feel off. If Zack is innocent then I would look here, yes.

But really, it was me and Zack trying desperately to change the outcome of this vote. So I will take the punishment I am about to receive, and simply ask that the same punishment extends to Zack, and I believe that will be game unless the mafia are four in number. If double-lynches are possible in this game, I'd recommend using one tomorrow against myself and Jebediah Obediah Zack-ariah Jebediah Springfield over there. It will either end the game or answer all of your questions. If Skwinky won't allow it to happen, I'll go first kill Zack, because I'm freaking innocent.
 
Are double lynches a common thing to have in plain mafia games?
 
Are double lynches a common thing to have in plain mafia games?

No, to be honest. They usually work to the town's advantage.

Every additional lynch the town gets before the lynch-or-lose, is an additional bullet in the town's revolver. If you allow them twice as many lynches, it is more than twice as hard for the mafia to win because of the raw number of lynches plus the limitation on what sort of tactics the mafia can employ to stay alive longer. No more can a mafia go "lynch him first, then me..." instead it is "lynch us both" which ends the game sooner for a gangster.

Now, as with other things like vigilantes which increase the town's killing power, it can indeed end the game more quickly against the town. But I'd rather have a game where double-lynches are possible because you can eradicate your opponents quicker, or have a vigilante so the town scores two kills per round.

The crossfire is deadly but town has more bodies and town wins when the mafia are gone, it doesnt matter if they lose peeps on the way. So kill em all at let god sort em out is actually the correct townie strategy. I've even argued against the lynch of serial killers before, provided they kill who we say. That kind of pressure can be devastating on the mafia.

So if I were you Skwink, objectively I wouldn't allow the double-lynch. But if you do, I'd recommend we use it, because I really like killing things.
 
So, I've done some more thinking.

First of all, BigTin is almost assuredly innocent. This lynch was folly from the beginning.

BSmith needs to be lynched tomorrow. At this point, he's too much of a distraction to the town anyways, and he'll be constantly hanging over our heads if he's left alive; besides, he's scummy enough to warrant a lynching. He just seems fake to me. Forced.

Now, a revising of some lists (and these lists are by no means concrete):

Likely townie:

  • Diana Abnoba
  • choxorn
  • Darth Caesar
  • Verarde
  • BigTin
  • Joecoolyo -- Someone should look up how he acted in the Dinner Party; didn't he just jump on bandwagons all game? I don't think he was this brash and careless.
  • JoanK

Oh Zack. FoS on you!
I think that lynch result pretty much cleared BSmith, and that you are main suspect now, due to your defense of BigTin (and also a little due to so long post :D )
 
Go ahead and lynch me tomorrow, it's just a waste of your time. I never defended BigTin or really tried to get someone else lynched today; I assumed BigTin was innocent and knew his lynch today was inevitable, so I was just discussing candidates for the future. I'm not that much of a fool to keep saying "BigTin is likely innocent" if he's my teammate, but that's all you ever to take me to be. A fool.

Lynch me tomorrow, if you really must. Just lynch ATPG and landlubber after I turn up innocent.

And fwiw, it was ATPG who tried so hard to steer away from BigTin. Landlubber wasn't likely to be lynched today; none of my chosen voted were.
 
Oh hell yeah.

If there are any doctors out there, I could probably use a visit by you tonight…

I am willing to give ATPG the benefit of the doubt here. At least for one day. Tomorrow we should lynch Zack.

If the game is still on at that point, then we need to lynch ATPG and Landlubber in that order.
 
No, to be honest. They usually work to the town's advantage.

Every additional lynch the town gets before the lynch-or-lose, is an additional bullet in the town's revolver. If you allow them twice as many lynches, it is more than twice as hard for the mafia to win because of the raw number of lynches plus the limitation on what sort of tactics the mafia can employ to stay alive longer. No more can a mafia go "lynch him first, then me..." instead it is "lynch us both" which ends the game sooner for a gangster.

Now, as with other things like vigilantes which increase the town's killing power, it can indeed end the game more quickly against the town. But I'd rather have a game where double-lynches are possible because you can eradicate your opponents quicker, or have a vigilante so the town scores two kills per round.

The crossfire is deadly but town has more bodies and town wins when the mafia are gone, it doesnt matter if they lose peeps on the way. So kill em all at let god sort em out is actually the correct townie strategy. I've even argued against the lynch of serial killers before, provided they kill who we say. That kind of pressure can be devastating on the mafia.

So if I were you Skwink, objectively I wouldn't allow the double-lynch. But if you do, I'd recommend we use it, because I really like killing things.

Considering all that, I'm not gonna have double lynches.
 
I agree completely with BSmith. Not that I'm explaining why, but somehow that made sense to me all of a sudden. So I'm voting Zack tomorrow. No matter what (Except a really goos explanation of why not).

Hmmm. Thinking about this, maybe other people will try to get me lynched again for poor reasoning but... wasn't I the alternative to Ninja getting lynched? Supporting someone who everybody agrees to consider townie?
 
funny thing about pizza is he didn't really do anything to ninjacow either except set himself up to distance himself as far as way as possible (post 61). Compare that to classical hero's and Kennigit's response to the exact same ninjacow response (critical, but not overbearingly so).

as for me, considering we had 7 or so votes on bigtin from the get go me adding an additional vote wouldn't have done much; take what you will of it, but I did say I fully support the bigtin lynch (about as much merit as the 12th vote on bigtin would have--ie squat) while offering another possibility.
 
@Kennigit: Yeah, he did a remarkable job of making a big stink, but never actually lifted a finger to actually get Ninja lynched. Actions speak louder than words. Pizza has quite a few points against him in this game, not just his persecution of me.

Wow. R. U. Sirius?

Was this a response to Kennigit or to the update?
 
Was this a response to Kennigit or to the update?

The update, of course. I'm not paying to much attention to this game due to running mine, but I'm reading along. Lots of textwalls and such.
 
Yeah!! Another one bites the dust...next lynch should be either landlubber, Zack, or Pizza. I think 1 or 2 of them are mafia (depends if there are 3 or 4 mafia total).
 
Alrighty, chaos is over, time to put on my serious hat now. Here's what I think:

My knee-jerk reaction, as with it seems everyone above me, is to just go after Zack, for his semi-somwhat-not-really defense of BigTin yesterday. But, I'm thinking that might not be the right way to take this, as I'm 50/50 as to whether or not he's scum. On one hand, he came up with a big defense for BigTin, who turns out to be Mafia, so I'm guessing that's auto-scum points or whatever.

But, one must also look at the general atmosphere around that defense. Towards the end of yesterday, it seemed as though the people posting where kind of kicking around the idea that the BigTin lynch seemed to be less about his scumminess, and more the fact that he made a couple small errors, and everyone dogpiled him for it. I claimed this, Pizza did, and even BSmith towards the end, Zack only took that opinion and codified it into a neat little post.

So as for my opinion on Zack, I'm leaning towards not scum, simply a townie who posted what a couple other posters were thinking. But, I'm not going to rule out that as a last ditch defense for his Mafia home-boys.

What's also good to note is, the BigTin lynch seemed to have been more the result of luck rather than good scum-detecting work, which is what fueled that general atmosphere of doubt towards the end of yesterday. Due to that, we should not just jump on everyone who doubted the vote and claim them as Mafia, but rather, wait for responses, see how people react, and then judge. This lynch itself isn't going to be a big reveal for the rest of the scummy scum scum among us, but, their responses potentially will be. This idea is probably common sense for any Mafia hunt, but, I still think it deserves a mention.

tl;dr: This lynch isn't a big reveal for the Mafiosos among us, there are good cases for both Zack being Mafia and Zack being a townie, don't jump the gun on who to lynch next.
 
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