A Tale of One City [Game Thread]

[JohannaK]

Yay. Mergle is in there

 

[Kennigit]

also if a busser was present, I would have imagined a complete partner bussing.

mergle and bsmith combo really makes no sense to me. more likely would be a bsmith olaf combo if the plan was to set bigtin up.

also given bsmith defended himself so townielike (where if he planned to bus, the mafia would just switch to making bsmith the busee) I really find him unlikely.

really don't get why pizza wanted to get lynch. getting lynch doesn't prove anyone's case in a vanilla game.

 

[Kennigit]

I really want to stress the proximity of bigtin trying to defend himself with mergle's vote. It really doesn't seem like a planned bus to me.

also this was so cute:

Vote: Zack and I FOS: choxorn because they waited till I defended myself to vote for me today, unvoting from BSmith making me think that they are on a team, possibly with BSmith even though 4 mafia would be a lot.

 

[Optical]

being an innocent shouldn't make your opinion of his case different.

Point taken, but being a mafia would have.

 

[landlubber]

this is ATPG's TOWNIE mode.

Turns it out I was right. Hmph.
Now, we have two choices; lynch landlubber, get that out of the way already, or listen to ATPG and go after Mergle. I'd be fine with either one, because my words will be worth much more once I'm dead. Just make a decision and stop lynching people who obviously aren't mafia.

 

[Optical]

I'm for going after Mergle next, all things considered. It seems like a fairly good avenue to go down.

 

[landlubber]

I'm for going after Mergle next, all things considered. It seems like a fairly good avenue to go down.

Same here. I'll be one of the first to vote for him. And maybe, just maybe, when he flips mafia, we can use our heads, think like ATPG, and take down that last mafioso (if there is one, which is most likely).

 

[JohannaK]

Yay, hope we can lynch Mergle.

 

[BSmith1068]

I'm fine with Mergle going first as well. landlubber is still high on my list though.

 

[Kennigit]

I'm not fond of mergle at all, at least not compared to other possibilities.

Well, either JoanK is a newbie townie or an incrediably skillful mafia player. And I have to agree with Jarrema about BigTin's vote. unvote; vote NinjaCow

Same reasoning as I had on jarrema, where Jarrema and Mergle are both critical of bigtin (following bsmith's lead) before the bigtin lynch even occurs.

It'd be very dedicated subtle bussing; not impossible, not even too improbable, but I'm not convinced yet there were bussings going on as agreeing with a FoS doesn't really give you future townie cred while risks people lynching your teammate bigtin.

The timings, to me, suggest either a complete 100% dedicated bus (like a bsmith olaf pair could have done) or no bussing.

With ninjacow getting lynched, do you think his mafia teammates would really go down to 2/4 players so early and risk the remaining days of having no lynch control at all? Especially in the form of jarrema/mergle, who wouldn't have really gained much future protection with their agreement of a simple FoS. Getting attention away from bigtin (via means of not hyping on it) could buy an entire extra day.

If jarrema or mergle was going to bus their partner like that, I would have imagined they would do something more dramatic. Akin to what pizza did to ninja, or what general olaf or bsmith did for the case against bigtin (could use PIS to craft that case).

 

[Mergle]

I'm out of ideas really. Could be landlubber. It was clear I was going after ATPG, a townie, and so landlubber's attack on me would make sense if he's mafia - it would have meant I'd have looked more innocent and more listened to if he'd been lynched and flipped mafia. Or he could simply have been correctly analyzing ATPG's behaviour and gave me more credit than I deserved, and is in fact town. I retain a slight suspicion that JoanK is playing us for patsies, but that's the kind of meta analysis I criticised ATPG for, so, hey.

Must say I'm very disappointed in ATPG. He's been consistently wrong all game but threw lots of tantrums and made a big thing of how clever he was, then voted for himself to be lynched so people would listen when he flipped innocent. As ll said, he was virtually shaking with rage at not being listened to. Now it looks like I'll be lynched off the back of his reasoning, and the town will lose another day.

And I accept I have the advantage of knowing ATPG was wrong again in accusing me, which none of you (except the mafia) know. There's a reasonable case to make against me, certainly as good as any to be made against anyone else, so voting me is a perfectly sensible move. But when I flip innocent, bear in mind how ATPG has almost single-handedly derailed a town that had been doing well. And while being a townie himself.

Ho hum.

 

[BSmith1068]

You have a point there about the timing. It does seem like a stretch that he would be commenting like that at that time if he was BigTin’s partner. It would draw even more attention to his partner at a time when you would do everything you could to ignore it entirely or point somewhere else.

Pizza has been right exactly once this game – with Nija (and even then he didn’t put action behind his words). He was wrong about BigTin. He was wrong about me. He was wrong about Zack. I suppose eventually he would be right again, but I think I’ll go back to landlubber as my choice for the vote tomorrow. Our large margin is starting to diminish and we need to stop chasing shadows.

Landlubber has consistently posted in a suspicious manner. Only recently has he attempted to become more helpful. That change in behavior is also suspicious. I think we need to stick to our guns with him, and then focus on other candidates. If he is guilty, then we’ll have even more voting information of the remaining players that may help us to flesh out more solid cases.

I think we keep Mergle in the list of suspects – and watch him closely – but for now landlubber should go first.

EDIT: x-post with Mergle

 

[Kennigit]

I retain a slight suspicion that JoanK is playing us for patsies, but that's the kind of meta analysis I criticised ATPG for, so, hey.

Well, ninjacow and bigtin tried to go for joanK. It's a weird situation.

Given that ninjacow and bigtin acted overbearingly townie in the beginning, if joanK really was tired with the game and was their teammate then ninjacow and bigtin could heroically lead a lynch on joanK and get townie cred 4 lyfe.

instead, we had this situation:

Oh, and my voting BigTin isn't just OMGUS. Ninja voted for me. Ninja was a mafioso. Given that I was a townie alternative (given that I am a townie, if you still doubt), it is probable that someone voting for me, especially in a balance-breaking vote, is a mafioso too, whether if it is to save Ninja or to create an alternative wagon (that would be voting for me at the beginning). So, as BigTin voted breaking the tie, it is possible that he is a mafioso (and he is going to be lynched anyway).

now, that sounds a bit perfect information syndrome to me, but it's not really all that much.

Ninja/bigtin/joanK would have had to do some serious shuffling to make the bus direction go from ninja/bigtin -> joank to the other direction joank ->ninja/bigtin.

and bigtin's post certainly doesn't seem like that. Bigtin was trying to save ninjacow hardcore:

NinjaCow isn't clear yet, I just feel that there is more against Joan than Ninja right now.

if joanK was willing to go the way of the wayside and make Bigtin/ninja look good, surely Bigtin would have just said "nah, joanK is the scummer" confidently with his perfect information syndrome. And surely joanK would have done that little bit more to ensure he got lynched, thus making bigtin and ninja look forever good.

the rest of the game who knows, his posts are scummy. But that key early game timing in the ninja/bigtin relation.......I don't see joanK being teamed up with them. joanK was willing to die, and if that was true, surely he would have helped bigtin/ninja in the process definitively.

instead bigtin tryed to weasel a case; hardly pis at all.

 

[Zack]

Just make a decision and stop lynching people who obviously aren't mafia.

You voted to lynch me too, so hop off of Mount Pretentious.

 

[choxorn]

He's been frequently guilty of "Criticizing the Town Syndrome," which according to such esteemed professors as Askvaard von Pizzaguy, Lady Weston-Hughes, and the Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat known as Renata, PhD, is a scumtell. Landlubber has been pretty much acting scummy consistently.

I also give a FoS: General Olaf, for that vote switch late in the day that tied it up between ATPG and landlubber. If landlubber turns up mafia, he's my top suspect. Even if he doesn't, I'm still a bit suspicious of him.

 

[Kennigit]

tl;dr: so I keep flip flopping, but I would say most likely pairs are (in order of likeliness as mafia, including intra-pair)

1) yoshi/landlubber: yoshi hasn't done a single thing all game. even darth caesar, another inactive, got both ninja and bigtin lynched. yoshi is a bit more suspicious than landlubber.
2) daveshack/yoshi: daveshack hasn't really done much. He said the talkers could be scum (generic statement) at one point. He is a pro landlubber lyncher (today fairly early); daveshack could have been bussing, can't really tell. But I think a daveshack/other combo more likely than a daveshack/landlubber.
3) joecoolyo/any of the other suspects. Joecoolyo has done nothing all game as well, but hasn't been too scum vibey (as opposed to daveshack and landlubber).
4) maybe other generic combos we could make (mergle/daveshack? who knows).
5) a dedicated bussing pair (choxorn is a good suspect for a busser just because he has done it in the past, as well as maybe verarde/darth caesar). olaf also did go fairly early strong ninjacow (would be a double busser).

to get the most information next lynch, imo:
1) a landlubber or daveshack may be the best (daveshack was willing to lynch landlubber; we could judge if that would be a PIS bus or a proof of innocence).
2) joecoolyo or yoshi, but it would be luck on which one. Neither would provide info about a partner if mafia, but would rule out dedicated bussing pairs (like a scheming choxorn with general olaf or something).

 

[landlubber]

You voted to lynch me too, so hop off of Mount Pretentious.

Sorry if it's coming off that way, but the fact that ATPG was lynched is very frustrating to me. It really shouldn't have happened. I told you guys that this was his helpful townie mode, but no one listened simply because the case on me has been building all game. So, yeah, I admit it, I've not exactly been the clearest townie. But, it's time to make a decision. Listen to me before I'm lynched, or listen to me after. Or you could just not listen to me, of course. I'm not sure how much I care at this point. Just lynch Mergle soon, and, in the unlikely event that he's not mafia, I give up.

 

[Optical]

I also give a FoS: General Olaf, for that vote switch late in the day that tied it up between ATPG and landlubber. If landlubber turns up mafia, he's my top suspect. Even if he doesn't, I'm still a bit suspicious of him.

Wow, in hindsight that did look bad. Can't be helped, I guess, but believe me, I simply thought it to be a good idea at the time. I wasn't thinking properly.

I'm not really sure any more as to whether to lynch Mergle, or Landlubber, or DaveShack, or anyone else for that matter. What we need to do, though, is decide who we're lynching and go through with that. And the reasoning, as several people have pointed out, needs to be good.

 

[DaveShack]

2) DaveShack- late to the bigtin party, plays on the org, no vote on ninjacow.

I voted for BigTin about 12 hours into day, which is hardly late. My previous post was an hour before that (Wild West game) and it took me an hour to go through the thread and decide because there was so much to look at.

Not sure how playing on the org has anything to do with it. I'm a supermod here and didn't start playing on the org till Capo IV.

On the NinjaCow vote, I didn't see sufficient evidence to bandwagon, so I dropped a meaningless vote on someone else to try to get a reaction. You'll find I do that a lot.

Come to think of it, that meaningless vote was for you. Do I make your list as a kind of delayed indirect OMGUS?

 

[Optical]

Wouldn't that be an OMGUSBIDNDFAWSISAUN?

(OMG, you suck but I didn't notice for a while so I'll sneakily accuse you now)