About HUNS

[Turkish_Aries]

I am Turkish college student and i want to say something about my ancestors Huns. Our primary school history clases start with Huns and i want to make research about it. Went to college library and talk with some foreign teachers.
I find out that our primary school teac are right, Huns were the First Turk Tribe in known history. Also they named Hun Turks before Atilla's conquest and meaning of the word "Turk" means in Huns "Homeland,race," have 2 meanings
As a Turk i believe that we came from their blood but ofcouse in history we splited different clans and some of them lose theier blood. Seljuk and Ottomans come from "kayı" clan and we carry Hun (Turk) blood in our veins. Does anybody have objections or proof?

 

[Knight-Dragon]

The Huns (Xiongnu to the Chinese) were simply one of the earliest horse tribes to emerge out of the steppes. But they weren't Turkic.

The recognizably Turkic tribes only emerged later, from the same general region. I think the first one was the Gok Turks.

 

[Tee Kay]

The Gokturks were probably related to the Xiongnu or Huns. The steppe tribes often assimilate weaker tribes, so Huns and Turks could very well have intermarried.

By historical standards the Huns weren't very successful. Attila was a master strategist, and his uncle (Rugila? sp?) was a great leader, but the Huns weren't able to make any progress in the long term. After Attila's death the Hun Empire in Europe broke up and the Hun warriors ended up as mercenaries. In Central Asia they were assimilated by the Turks, Uighurs or Indians.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

I'm pretty sure we don't know what ethno-linguistic group the Huns belonged to.

 

[Dachs]

The Huns (Xiongnu to the Chinese) were simply one of the earliest horse tribes to emerge out of the steppes. But they weren't Turkic.

Technically, we don't actually know if the Xiong-nu and the Huns were the same people. Too, the Huns had significant numbers of other tribes in their little confederacy by the time they hit Europe (and thus absorbed even more tribes); Iranian-speaking Sarmatians and Alani were among that number, and there are a few Turkic names mentioned in Attila's camp by the Eastern Roman diplomat Priscus in his account of a mission to the Hunnic Empire.

By historical standards the Huns weren't very successful. Attila was a master strategist, and his uncle (Rugila? sp?) was a great leader, but the Huns weren't able to make any progress in the long term. After Attila's death the Hun Empire in Europe broke up and the Hun warriors ended up as mercenaries. In Central Asia they were assimilated by the Turks, Uighurs or Indians.

The fall of the Hunnic Empire has more to do with their long-term strategy as opposed to the personalities of individual leaders. Before the Catalaunian Fields and the invasion of Italy, the Huns had pretty much an unbroken string of successes straight from the steppe into the Hungarian Plain. They beat up everyone they ran across and absorbed the new tribes into their confederation so that by the time they reached Roman borders there were more of these other tribes (Turkic, Gothic, and Iranian groups being most prominent) than there were of the original Huns. This supergroup was held together by several things, including the constant influx of gold from tribute money (which revolutionized the Central European economy, I believe, though I could be wrong about that), and when that disappeared, the Hunnic Empire got that much more likely to implode. All it needed was a moment of weakness, and that was provided by the civil wars that Dengisich and Attila's other sons fought with each other, providing an opportunity for Gothic and Gepid tribes to split off, formalized at the Battle of the Nedao. The empire just sort of shook itself apart after that, like it always was going to.

Historically, though, the Huns seem to have been extremely successful, because it is now believed that they were the primary cause of the destruction of the Western Roman Empire, first through their attacks on the Tervingi and Greuthungi (leading to the Battle of Adrianople); then through their movement into the Hungarian Plain, setting off a domino effect of several different tribes moving into Roman Gaul (one of these, the Vandals, even reached North Africa and deprived the Romans of a key source of revenue); next through their own attacks on the Eastern and Western Empires, which depleted the imperial treasury and manpower and seriously damaged the infrastructure of Pannonia, Gaul, Germania, and Moesia; finally by their demise (so inconsiderate of them! ), which set all of the tribes formerly in thrall to them off on a rampage that ended with Odoacer's march on Rome in 476.

I'm pretty sure we don't know what ethno-linguistic group the Huns belonged to.

You're right, we don't.

 

[Quildavyr]

Seljuk and Ottomans come from "kayı" clan and we carry Hun (Turk) blood in our veins. Does anybody have objections or proof?

Actually Seljuks are from "Bozok" clan.And of course we carry some traces from Hunnic Blood.

 

[Gangor]

By historical standards the Huns weren't very successful.

Huh?? They have a whole country named for them...

 

[Julian Delphiki]

What is it? Answer is not Hungary.

 

[Mirc]

Edit: Ah, Julian already said the same thing ahead of me.

 

[Traitorfish]

What is it? Answer is not Hungary.

Yup, the whole Hungary = Huns thing is a myth. The name in fact comes from a Bulgar alliance called the "On-Ogour", Old Turkish for "Ten Arrows", who happened to control the region for a period in the 7th century. Besides, that isn't what the Hungarians call their country anyway- they are properly called Magyar and live in the Magyar Republic, after the Ugric-speaking tribe that conquered the region in the 9th century.

 

[Mirc]

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Yup, the whole Hungary = Huns thing is a myth. The name in fact comes from a Bulgar alliance called the "On-Ogour", Old Turkish for "Ten Arrows", who happened to control the region for a period in the 7th century. Besides, that isn't what the Hungarians call their country anyway- they are properly called Magyar and live in the Magyar Republic, after the Ugric-speaking tribe that conquered the region in the 9th century.

Exactly. To be precise, the call their country Magyarorszag (which indeed is their name for the Magyar republic named after the Ugric-speaking tribe... etc). It's as related to the Huns as Austria is to Australia.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

If the Hungarians don't want us to replace all of their words with confusing English replacement words, they should make their language more pronounceable.

 

[rmxtrax]

Actually Seljuks are from "Bozok" clan.And of course we carry some traces from Hunnic Blood.

I've heard the history of blonde queen of Huns. Is it real?

If the Hungarians don't want us to replace all of their words with confusing English replacement words, they should make their language more pronounceable.

What do you want? it's a mongolic language

 

[Quildavyr]

I've heard the history of blonde queen of Huns. Is it real?

She was Avar Turk.She participiated to second siege of Konstantinople.

 

[rmxtrax]

She was Avar Turk.She participiated to second siege of Konstantinople.

Ok we have found her

Spoiler :

Hoku ho, she is half chinese, hawaian, german, dutch, filipino and caucasian
she is asian and have also blonde hair

scuse for my off-topic

 

[hiddie]

It's funny to see people discussing the origins of my country. So I'm Hungarian.
I've never been to school in Hungary so I don't really know anything about the Magyar history. But I can read and speak Hungarian . I have a couple of questions however.

Why are a lot of hungarian folk called Atilla?
The ancestors were the Magyars, what about 'em?, where are there origins?, In the north/east right, between Europe and Asia. When did they come up?, when Rome fell???

I have a lot of questions that i'd like to be answered. Any help?

 

[Traitorfish]

What do you want? it's a mongolic language

It's Finno-Ugric. Mongolic is in a completely different language group.

 

[rmxtrax]

It's Finno-Ugric. Mongolic is in a completely different language group.

1) Ugro and finnic languages are different. The Ugro is a part of altaic languages instead Finnic is a part of Uralic languages.

2) Hungarian is altaic so it's related with turk and mongol. Magyars (Hungarians) have always represented themself like nomad people and their ancient culture is very similar to mongolia and central asia

Read the History before write

 

[Mirc]

1) Ugro and finnic languages are different. The Ugro is a part of altaic languages instead Finnic is a part of Uralic languages.

2) Hungarian is altaic so it's related with turk and mongol. Magyars (Hungarians) have always represented themself like nomad people and their ancient culture is very similar to mongolia and central asia

Read the History before write

Look, Hungarian is Finno-Ugric and there IS such a thing as a Finno-Ugric language group. Finnish is not Altaic, it's Finno-Ugric, which is a subgroup of Altaic languages. Uralic languages are different.

Mongolian is a TOTALLY different language to both Uralic and Altaic languages, for example, it's based on syllables, like the East Asian languages.

As for the ancient culture, maybe it's resembling Mongol culture, but things have changed so much that they are unrecognizable now - for example, chronicles mention the Magyars having "oblique eyes", yet no native Hungarian today has such eyes, Hungary even having more blue-eyed people than some of their neighbors.

Oh and BTW, Turkic languages aren't related to Mongolian either.

 

[rmxtrax]

Look, Hungarian is Finno-Ugric and there IS such a thing as a Finno-Ugric language group. Finnish is not Altaic, it's Finno-Ugric, which is a subgroup of Altaic languages. Uralic languages are different.

Mongolian is a TOTALLY different language to both Uralic and Altaic languages, for example, it's based on syllables, like the East Asian languages.

As for the ancient culture, maybe it's resembling Mongol culture, but things have changed so much that they are unrecognizable now - for example, chronicles mention the Magyars having "oblique eyes", yet no native Hungarian today has such eyes, Hungary even having more blue-eyed people than some of their neighbors.

Oh and BTW, Turkic languages aren't related to Mongolian either.

I know hungarians aren't mongolic. They speak a altaic language like turks but they aren't mongols they are white .

They taked altaic language by their nobilty. For example avar, attila and oghuz were surely asian but the 99% of their subjects were white. They considered the asianity like a sign of nobility but the 99% of hungarians were european