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[NBAfan]

Wow Crusis. I agree with what you said.

 

[Afforess]

Wow, Crusis, why aren't you running for political office? I'd vote for you.

 

[Blackflag421]

Cozart - I was pointing out the leap you're making from can cause to does cause. An increase in probability is not the same as certainty, otherwise I'd be dead many times from car crashes.

Crusis - I'm more of a borderline anarchist, but you have many good points. I have to agree with Ron Paul that you don't make America more secure by going overseas, bombing everyone who disagrees with us, and pissing off the world. Not to mention we only have our very own CIA to thank for that nice Osama man, training him and helping him learn guerilla warfare and terrorism against the Soviets. We also directly contributed to Saddam and Iran/Iran's current hatred of us.

On the OT here, Hitler and Nazi symbolism is ONLY legal for educational purposes and "art" in Germany. This comes into play for Civ4 because under German law, computer games are NOT art. Most neo-Nazi groups there simply use the iron cross, or imperial German symbols (which were actually illegal under Nazi rule, IIRC) to avoid this ban.

 

[DRJ]

No Americans are disappearing in the middle of the night to never be seen by their families again at the hands of the government.

No Americans, right. Nowadays, they are called "alien moslems" from around the world, being tortured - outsourced, to certain countries, of course (you got that, right_man?) Just for an example (yesterday): Italians convict 23 Americans in rendition case

Our prisoners have access to medicine, attorneys, religion, recreation.

The standards of american prisons can't be converted to russian standards, that much is true. But when I hear of certain texan judges and how they treat inmates (mostly drug-"offenders"), I get ill... they gotta sleep in tents in the desert, get pink underwear and have to have unhuman drill stuff... We in germany point at the american justice system as unhuman. America has the largest percentage of population/inmates of all countries in the world. Something is really wrong there. And I didn't mention the gang structures and the lots of murders in prison yet.

Our elected leaders step down at the end of their terms, and are replaced with others chosen by the people. You have 2 parties and independents to chose from, or you can not vote at all if you like. In many countries, you will vote for the 'leader' or you will be shot. You get one choice, and your vote is merely a gesture of acquiescence.

American 2-party system is a joke upon democracy, imho. Better than 1-party, though (ha-ha!). We in Germany have 5 parties, each having 12%- to 30%. This represents the different people much better I think, nervertheless not good enough.
More direct democracy, apart from lobby-soaken parties is essential!

I realize that a lot of the world does not like America. Personally, I don't care about that one bit.

What America isn't liked? You better should work on that! We are one mankind!

Untamed animals like Islami-fascists will always despise a nation that represents freedom.

First step of fascism is to de-humanize humans. For Adolf, jews were animals.

Spoiler :

Regarding Moslems as animals shows your real face. Remember: even if we get attacked, we have still to act like (and embrace others as) humans, if we don't we aren't better than that.
If we understand the social processes leading towards extremism, we can help those people- that doesn't mean we have to tolerate them, though!!!

Moslems aren't fascistic, by the way. That's just right wing propaganda. They are religious lunatics, much like those who think they are "chosen by god to live in a certain place" (on gun-point).

China fears that our ideology will corrupt their controlling grip on their populace.

It's not your ideology, it's humanism they fear. Your ideology isn't humanistic if you call people animals, fascist!!!

Mexico fears our culture even as they encourage their citizens to illegally cross our borders and send money back to Mexico. Venezuela rages against us, but would collapse into chaos if we quit buying their oil. The same goes for the Middle East.

Totally wrong, as the Venezualians, whose policies I admire, as they turn the profits of the ressources towards the people and not the multinational coorporations shareholders (who already have enough of that!), made their living prior to the oil-rush also. They would have a setback, sure, but the spirit is alive. What counts is the share of the wealth, so that those who really need it, get it. Doesn't happen in US of A. There, those who own get even more stuffed in their mouths to drop out slowly of the back, as Reagan politics go, if I understood right.

I still can't believe there are people out there who would disparage the removal of Saddam by the USA. Some apparently prefer rape camps and systematic murder and intimidation to the occasional civilian casualty. Personally, I'm opposed to nation building, but for totally different reasons than "American imperialism" or "whatever lame reason we hate Americans this week".

Saddam is very controversial. I don't like invasions against international law (oh, I forgot, America didn't sign international treaties like Den Haag or Tokyo, wonder why...)

I'm a Fortress America advocate myself. I believe that we would do just fine removing our troops from all other nations, building offshore trade depots, and forbidding foreign nationals from entering American territory. I personally believe that is the only thing that will save us from the nuclear bomb that will eventually find its way into an American city.

Lol, that won't never help to stop such an attack if it was really planned. First, it would be a very own bomb that was used, you got 20.000 of them, right?
And if not, how can you prevent it comes from canada, by drug-trafficing self-made subs or even by air in a small plane? Fortress America is an illusion.

Unfortunately, when that happens, many of the liberties our clueless citizens take for granted while whining and bleating will go away. Our constitution, which provides so many liberties for our citizens (not foreign nationals) will be swept aside with our Republic and the world will see a very ugly America awaken in place of that lost Republic. Watch out Canada and Mexico, you will have a lot of resources that a newly born American military state will need. Maybe you should tighten your borders to outsiders now forestall this end? Because you will last hours against any American dictator that wishes to invade.

The North American Union, or whatever NWO wants to call it is already written, I guess...

From history to predictions. Whatever it is, it is just history repeating itself. Democracies fall in two ways. To another power, or into totalitarian power. With enough nukes to incinerate the planet, America won't fall to another power. The other option, however, is potentially just one terrorist act away.

From inside...

In that event, cr0ws, statements regarding government conspiracies will not only be true, they will very quickly involve the speaker of said words. Involve meaning that you are strapped to a chair and screaming for help from God. The proof that you do still live in a free society is that you can accuse the government of things, and be around to do it again.

That's no proof at all. A truth nobody (aka the masses) believes in is much more unsecure than something thats fought against openly. Mass-media-outlets fight every kind of conspiracy theory as anchorless and mock it. Often they were proven wrong by history.

Western culture has this sickness right now, a self fed guilt for having been so successful. It is self defeating, you can see it in Europe as they allow in more and more immigrants who are making no attempt to assimilate.
Eventually so many unassimilated outsiders will be there that there will either be a civil war in the European union, or it will simply cease to exist and the original populations will be the ones forced to assimilate.

Assimilation comes both ways. In Germany, most people of turkish heritage, for example, dress westernish, consume western products extensively and their boys try to be hardcore gangster-rappers. They are on the lowest step of society and try to adept, like black kids in USA - just asking: does USA cease to exist as well? Aren't they the true melting pot?!

The riots in France, the bombings in the English streets and Spanish trains, these are just precursors. Spain already surrendered by altering the path of their elections.

"The bombings" Pffff looks like one bombing in New York, one in London, one in Madrid and now let's get heavy security laws everywhere in the world and approve the Huntington Scenario as real (which it is not). This "sounds spanish to me" (as we say in germany), or as you say: that smells fishy!

In the US, we have the same guilt, we allow 3-5% of our population to be illegal residents, any of which may well harbor a device to end our Republic.

There is no illegal human, nowhere! We need a new system to help those in need. To fear going on the streets, because every control can mean to be deported is mindf*cking!
Imagine the founding fathers would have been sent back into the sea by the overwhelming indians! No - they shared their food with them!!!

Ancient civilizations built walls for a reason.

Israelis to that today, still. Not ethical, though!

History teaches us many lessons, and that is to keep the barbarians on the other side of the gates.

"Barbarians" are babaric by definition. Hitler characterized the jews as babaric and his people as civilized and superior.

You can turn barbarians into civilized and peaceful members of the world community, but you don't do that by making your homes less secure.

If you show them they are allowed in and to eat at the same table, then you show them something they can believe in.
To do so you must give up security, at least a bit. Of course you should't do it to sacrifice. That line is always to be reminded, but without prejudice.

I guess the moral of the story is: Western gov't is imperfect, yes, but there are no perfect human institutions. We live in a society that is fairly free, fairly wealthy, and fairly secure. We should be vigilant against all enemies, foreign and domestic, but we shouldn't see enemies where none exist while failing to see those that do.

It's always a fight over definitions, and your definitions I mostly can't agree on. This last statement, however, is ok...

Everyone remember the images on TV of the Palestinians dancing and raising their AK-47s in the air shooting as the WTC towers fell? Barbarians at the gates.
Sell them a Big Mac, a Coca-Cola, Sony radio and a Nike running suit. Feed them so much food that they 'just don't feel like jihad today.' as they rub their bellies. People who have nothing to lose will behave like they have nothing to lose.

Well, true, they have nothing to lose... if we build a wall around them and invade or stop water food/supply, no wonder they turn into rabies-inflicted mad-men. Keep the bias burning and the bombs blowing and your military has a good chance to keep a lot of power +get a raise in funds... if you're aiming for that in the first place...

The key to world peace is the GNPs of all nations, and the education of all peoples.

Hopefully someday there is someone in Saudi Arabia talking about the conspiricies that the gov't is up to and the gov't there ignores him. That is progress.

Does he have to be in Saudi Arabia? If a western citizen says it and the western govs do nothing, aren't they involved as well?

Wow, Crusis, why aren't you running for political office? I'd vote for you.

As much as I honour your work, I don't like your political attitude. I agree to disagree^^

 

[Master176281]

@DRJ

I agree (except for the word fascist).

 

[DRJ]

@DRJ

I agree (except for the word fascist).

Yeah, that slipped out of me. Can't stand that right-wing-trash-talk of "islamo-fascists" and then they are characterized as "animals" by him...

Maybe it's my german susceptibility but we call people who call others "animals" Nazi here, which -as you might know^^- is a term for a fascist, someone who thinks he is better than other humans.

Fascism can evolve everywhere, everytime, even without someone noticing or triggering it consciously, thats the problem, maybe.

And that's why we have to really have a look upon it and fight it where we meet it, even in ourselves.

Btw.: I have no personal feelings towards you, Crusis.


EDIT: lol I just see in your profile that you are from germany as well... yeah... I guess you know what I meant then, anyway...

 

[Afforess]

The standards of american prisons can't be converted to russian standards, that much is true. But when I hear of certain texan judges and how they treat inmates (mostly drug-"offenders"), I get ill... they gotta sleep in tents in the desert, get pink underwear and have to have unhuman drill stuff... We in germany point at the american justice system as unhuman. America has the largest percentage of population/inmates of all countries in the world. Something is really wrong there. And I didn't mention the gang structures and the lots of murders in prison yet.

I completely agree. The American Prison system, and the laws surrounding it desperately need to be reworked. WE jail way too many people. You didn't even touch upon our "Sex offender" list, which it's easy to get on the list, but the punishments for it are very strict, and last for 20 years. Sure, real sex offenders should be on that list, but as of right now, drunken college students get on that list far too often, during their revelries.

American 2-party system is a joke upon democracy, imho. Better than 1-party, though (ha-ha!). We in Germany have 5 parties, each having 12%- to 30%. This represents the different people much better I think, nervertheless not good enough.
More direct democracy, apart from lobby-soaken parties is essential!

Also agree. I'm forced to vote Republican, even though I strongly disagreed with Mccain during the last presidential election, and thought that Bush made grave errors. We need at least 4 strong parties here.

First step of fascism is to de-humanize humans. For Adolf, jews were animals.

Spoiler :

Regarding Moslems as animals shows your real face. Remember: even if we get attacked, we have still to act like (and embrace others as) humans, if we don't we aren't better than that.
If we understand the social processes leading towards extremism, we can help those people- that doesn't mean we have to tolerate them, though!!!

Moslems aren't fascistic, by the way. That's just right wing propaganda. They are religious lunatics, much like those who think they are "chosen by god to live in a certain place" (on gun-point).

I agree with this too. It's far too easy to write other cultures off as "barbaric" and just proceed to kill them off, or enslave them in some fashion.

Totally wrong, as the Venezualians, which policies I admire, as they turn the profits of the ressources towards the people and not the multinational coorporations shareholders (who already have enough of that!), made their living prior to the oil-rush also. They would have a setback, sure, but the spirit is alive. What counts is the share of the wealth, so that those who really need it, get it. Doesn't happen in US of A. There, those who own get even more stuffed in their mouths to drop out slowly of the back, as Reagan politics go, if I understood right.

And this is were I break with you, DRJ. I think that Venezualia's policies are abominable and terrible. Of course, DRJ, I think Germany's economic policies are idiotic too. Most of Europe has a 15-20% Structural Unemployment. The US typically has a 6% Structural Unemployment. I wonder which has better economic policies?

Saddam is very controversial. I don't like invasions against international law (oh, I forgot, America didn't sign international treaties like Den Haag or Tokyo, wonder why...)

I don't trust international law. UN's self-stated goals are:

The United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace.

Yet, they ignore these goals every day. They have intervened in only 2 international conflicts, (The Korean War, and the Persian Gulf War.) They ignored the Rwanda Genocides, Somilia, and many other wars. In fact, there have been over one hundred international conflicts the UN has ignored. Peace Keeping? Bah!

The North American Union, or whatever NWO wants to call it is already written, I guess...

Please, let's not feed the New World Order Trolls, it's a load of garbage.

There is no illegal human, nowhere! We need a new system to help those in need. To fear going on the streets, because every control can mean to be deported is mindf*cking!
Imagine the founding fathers would have been sent back into the sea by the overwhelming indians! No - they shared their food with them!!!

(What was the price of sharing the food? We killed 99.8% of American Indians.)
You're right and wrong.

Technically, Illegal Immigrants are illegal, because they are violating US law by entering the country without a visa.

However, I too support more open immigration, like America had in the 1800's.

Israelis to that today, still. Not ethical, though!

What is Morality? Your Morality? My Morality? A universal Morality? Be specific.

I agree to disagree^^

That's the least intelligent statement in your entire post. The very concept of "agreeing to disagree" is a logical contradiction. Contradictions can not exist in nature. One of us must be right, the other wrong.

 

[NBAfan]

I do not regard Moslems as animals. The Islamic extremists are a very dengerous threat.
DRJ, Hitlet's government was very socialist. After all Nazi ment National socialists right?
At least you can vote Afforess, I can not.

 

[Blackflag421]

Actually Afforess, in some places the sex offender registry is for life, not 20 years. Georgia is one of the worst states, IIRC. Politicians want to be "tough on crime" to get re-elected, and the easy targets are drugs and sex crimes. Thing is, in many states public urination and similar offenses are "sex crimes."

The current craze is making children sex offenders for life for things like having sex with each other (Utah, two 13 year olds are now sex offenders for that), and felony charges of possession and distribution of child pornography... of themselves.

Then there's the "War on Drugs," which is a farce from its inception all the way to present time. What other government program can claim that it spends over $12 billion dollars a year without accomplishing a single one of its stated goals, and never has since its creation?

 

[Afforess]

Actually Afforess, in some places the sex offender registry is for life, not 20 years. Georgia is one of the worst states, IIRC. Politicians want to be "tough on crime" to get re-elected, and the easy targets are drugs and sex crimes. Thing is, in many states public urination and similar offenses are "sex crimes."

The current craze is making children sex offenders for life for things like having sex with each other (Utah, two 13 year olds are now sex offenders for that), and felony charges of possession and distribution of child pornography... of themselves.

Then there's the "War on Drugs," which is a farce from its inception all the way to present time. What other government program can claim that it spends over $12 billion dollars a year without accomplishing a single one of its stated goals, and never has since its creation?

Agree with you here on both counts. The sex offender list is an abomination of the law, and IS "Cruel and Unusual Punishment." Same with the mandatory minimums with the drug laws. Heck, I'm not even sure all drugs should be illegal... (Not that I would use them, I loathe to do anything that makes me lose control of my body. I refrain from drinking as well.)

 

[DRJ]

I do not regard Moslems as animals. The Islamic extremists are a very dengerous threat.
DRJ, Hitlet's government was very socialist. After all Nazi ment National socialists right?

The Nazis pretended to be were socialist, in my opinion they were not.
They came to power because they were backed up by the large coorporations that made profits of their industrial stimulus programs, they used the labor of the youth for free (Reichsarbeitsdienst), which essentially meant 1 year of slave labour for the "Reich" for every man aged 18 - and after that the "Wehrdienst" came, burning them at the front.

Pretending to be at least "a bit socialist" were advertisment tactics, to get some poor people from the left to the right, together with the jewish scapegoat they presented them, that worked quite well.

We have to understand that running the nazi-economy was only tolerated by the bankiers of the world for some time. When they decided the $hit had to blow up, it did, indeed. The Reich's deficit was enormous, giving them no more room to hide it - so they had to declare war to get at least some money or lose the obligations. War, nevertheless, meant profit for some peoples...

It is a big mistake (or a big public relations lie) to confuse socialism with fascism (as you can also see in my signature) because the left defines itselve as internationalistic, stating that the laws of capitalism mean the poor workers get exploited by the rich shareholders, everywhere, no matter of race or place on earth, concluding that solidarity has to be valid infinitly, whereas national socialists only want be solidary towards their own "race", which means fascists do not really believe in the reason of solidarity in the sense of socialism, which doesn't depict races but classes.

At least you can vote Afforess, I can not.

Are you too young or are you a convicted felon? ;-)

 

[Afforess]

Are you too young or are you a convicted felon? ;-)

That's pretty insulting, it says on his profile that he is 16. The age of majority in the US is 18.

 

[os79]

Actually Afforess, in some places the sex offender registry is for life, not 20 years. Georgia is one of the worst states, IIRC. Politicians want to be "tough on crime" to get re-elected, and the easy targets are drugs and sex crimes. Thing is, in many states public urination and similar offenses are "sex crimes."

The current craze is making children sex offenders for life for things like having sex with each other (Utah, two 13 year olds are now sex offenders for that), and felony charges of possession and distribution of child pornography... of themselves.

Then there's the "War on Drugs," which is a farce from its inception all the way to present time. What other government program can claim that it spends over $12 billion dollars a year without accomplishing a single one of its stated goals, and never has since its creation?

This is where both sides of economic political spectrum can come together and fight for! We really need to overturn old traditions of strict religious foundations that makes up these ridiculous laws.

See! Even if we disagree on economic politics, we can easily agree on social libertarianism because we are living in modern world where old traditional values no longer applies except to small but very vocal minority.

 

[Preytor]

It would be a good thing IMO if the US had four or more political parties to vote for.

The problem I see with only having the two is they end up supporting each other.
What I mean by that is, if one argues for something, then the other argues against it. Neither side wins and no one ends up finding a sensible middle ground or alternative solution (no one wins).

The two party system is a very stable system to build a nations power upon. Thus the power of that nation that rests on top of these two parties will remain.
If there were only one party, (leader, dictator etc..) like many countries, then the people can rise up against it. It will fall, and so will the power structure of that nation.

Having four or more parties creates a lot more possibility, for change, and for everything.

 

[Afforess]

This is where both sides of economic political spectrum can come together and fight for! We really need to overturn old traditions of strict religious foundations that makes up these ridiculous laws.

See! Even if we disagree on economic politics, we can easily agree on social libertarianism because we are living in modern world where old traditional values no longer applies except to small but very vocal minority.

Luckily, those in my generation are fairly libertarian in their social views. Economically, it's a pretty wide rift, but there are very few authoratiarans in college students. The problem is that all the candidates are authoritarians. Even Obama kept Bush's wiretapping laws...

"Meet the new Boss, Same as the old Boss..."

 

[NBAfan]

We only have one party here as the Republicans are very much the same as the Demacrats.

 

[DRJ]

I completely agree. The American Prison system, and the laws surrounding it desperately need to be reworked. WE jail way too many people. You didn't even touch upon our "Sex offender" list, which it's easy to get on the list, but the punishments for it are very strict, and last for 20 years. Sure, real sex offenders should be on that list, but as of right now, drunken college students get on that list far too often, during their revelries.

Yeah sex offenders have to sleep under a bridge in florida cause they are not allowed to live in any neighbourhood, there. Their post adress is "under the big highway, next to the slum".

Also agree. I'm forced to vote Republican, even though I strongly disagreed with Mccain during the last presidential election, and thought that Bush made grave errors. We need at least 4 strong parties here.

Voting Republican won't help you get the liberal attitude you seek. Better stay home then. Ron Paul, who I think is ok, represents a very small minority in the GOP.
Nevertheless, the Simpsons are right, characterizing exaggerating GOP as a conspriracy of Mr. Burns, glass-wearing lobbyists and Dracula.

And this is were I break with you, DRJ. I think that Venezualia's policies are abominable and terrible. Of course, DRJ, I think Germany's economic policies are idiotic too. Most of Europe has a 15-20% Structural Unemployment. The US typically has a 6% Structural Unemployment. I wonder which has better economic policies?

Yeah, I know that "argument". You guys in America think every job is good (and if a guy earns even 1$/month he isn't counted as unemployed...statistics are forged!). We learned that your way isn't the right way the hard way. We had many full jobs, the last decades, jobs people could live on, without having another job. Then, 1998, we had some guys in charge who were calling them "social democrats" but who wanted to "reform" the labor market in a neo-liberal manner, by making jobs cost less for the businesses (by lowering the ancillary labor costs) to create overall more jobs, market-liberalism, painted red, actually, like at the same time "new labour" exercised in GB. The businesses had to pay less, kept the profits and the gov had to pay the labourers extra money to they could survive now. So the taxpayer pays the businesses profit.

Well now we have lesser over-all-wages, people have to have multiple-low-paid jobs, have to work longer and the unemployment rate is nearly the same (10%). Great. Like in USA (now). I was in the united states in 1998 and I was really shocked when visiting a supermarket and a 80-year old guy put my groceries in a bag, there. Thats unbelieveable! In germany you won't see that - EVER. America is just socially cold, there is nothing like solidarity in that society. I would feel ashamed to see elderly old germans have to bear that conditions, as I was empathically ashamed for that guy.

Economic policies that bleed the nation to death and rob them the last bit of honour isn't predominant but rather disrupting and detonating

I don't trust international law. UN's self-stated goals are:



Yet, they ignore these goals every day. They have intervened in only 2 international conflicts, (The Korean War, and the Persian Gulf War.) They ignored the Rwanda Genocides, Somilia, and many other wars. In fact, there have been over one hundred international conflicts the UN has ignored. Peace Keeping? Bah!

The UN is standing in New York, I remember; and USA vetoes most israel-regarding solutions (if they don't ignore it themselves). Why? I think they play a double edged game here: if it fits their goals they use it, if not they disregard it.

Please, let's not feed the New World Order Trolls, it's a load of garbage.

So, the Bilderberger Conference is garbage as well? It was Athens at least this year. No Mass-media-coverage whatsoever (or did you hear/read anything?) when the most important people of the world meet?
Must be a real coincidence...
http://www.wikileaks.de/wiki/Shadowy_Bilderberg_group_meet_in_Greece_-_and_here’s_their_address

What is Morality? Your Morality? My Morality? A universal Morality? Be specific.

Humanism is universial.

That's the least intelligent statement in your entire post. The very concept of "agreeing to disagree" is a logical contradiction. Contradictions can not exist in nature. One of us must be right, the other wrong.

Yes, thats true, I just quoted your voltairic opinion towards tolerating everything, which imho contradicts itsself as the tolerated will eat the tolerant at some point. Nevertheless, I think I can live with you as a neighbour in the same country, even if we disagree, thats what I wanted to say.

That's pretty insulting, it says on his profile that he is 16. The age of majority in the US is 18.

It was a joke ( ;-) ) It's because in Germany even convicted felons may vote, as long as they didn't commit murder or serious stuff.

 

[Afforess]

Voting Republican won't help you get the liberal attitude you seek. Better stay home then. Ron Paul, who I think is ok, represents a very small minority in the GOP.
Nevertheless, the Simpsons are right, characterizing exaggerating GOP as a conspriracy of Mr. Burns, glass-wearing lobbyists and Dracula.

I am economically, Conservative, scocially, Libertarian. The problem is that the GOP brands itself as economically conservative (and is, more often than not, but Bush was a neo-con, and more of a economic liberal. ) The problem is that many GOP candidates are authoritarian... Not good. It's pretty hypocritical really, to be economically lax, but then force people to obey strict social guidelines.

Yeah, I know that "argument". You guys in America think every job is good (and if a guy earns even 1$/month he isn't counted as unemployed...statistics are forged!). We learned that your way isn't the right way the hard way. We had many full jobs, the last decades, jobs people could live on, without having another job. Then, 1998, we had some guys in charge who were calling them "social democrats" but who wanted to "reform" the labor market in a neo-liberal manner, by making jobs cost less for the businesses (by lowering the ancillary labor costs) to create overall more jobs, market-liberalism, painted red, actually, like at the same time "new labour" exercised in GB. The businesses had to pay less, kept the profits and the gov had to pay the labourers extra money to they could survive now. So the taxpayer pays the businesses profit.

There was a story a while back about a blogger that lost their unemployment check because of a few cents from ad clicks on their blog in NYC. So, I know you are telling the truth there.

I also know right now, if you counted the "real" unemployment, with the people who have jobs at McDonald's, despite having a University Degree, it would be closer to 20% right now.

However, forcing corporations to pay more taxes, and adding VAT's is silly. Corporations just "pass" that tax as an increase in the cost of the good or service to the customer. You screw the people either way.

The best way to stimulate the economy is to lower taxes on everyone and cut unnecessary gov't budgets. (DHS, I'm looking at you. Also, why does America need the FBI and CIA, couldn't we merge them and save a ton there too?) Our gov't wastes tons of money all the time. Getting rid of government pyramid schemes like social security would be good too. (Before someone debates that, Social Security IS the definition of a pyramid scheme. Look it up. Wikipedia even lists it as such.)

Well now we have lesser over-all-wages, people have to have multiple-low-paid jobs, have to work longer and the unemployment rate is nearly the same (10%). Great. Like in USA (now). I was in the united states in 1998 and I was really shocked when visiting a supermarket and a 80-year old guy put my groceries in a bag, there. Thats unbelieveable! In germany you won't see that - EVER. America is just socially cold, there is nothing like solidarity in that society. I would feel ashamed to see elderly old germans have to bear that conditions, as I was empathically ashamed for that guy.

There is nothing shameful in having a job, no matter how menial. If he didn't want to be working in his old age, he should have saved up when he was younger. He had 80 years to prepare for it. Sorry, I just don't feel any pity for someone who had so long to prepare.

Heck, I would be lucky to be employed, anywhere. In Michigan, teenage unemployment is a staggering 50%+

So, the Bilderberger Conference is garbage as well? It was Athens at least this year. No Mass-media-coverage whatsoever (or did you hear/read anything?) when the most important people of the world meet?
Must be a real coincidence...
http://www.wikileaks.de/wiki/Shadowy_Bilderberg_group_meet_in_Greece_-_and_here’s_their_address

Yes. I know all about the "Bliderberger" group, and the NWO theories about them. Ridiculous.

Humanism is universial.

Hitler disagrees.

Yes, thats true, I just quoted your voltairic opinion towards tolerating everything, which imho contradicts itsself as the tolerated will eat the tolerant at some point. Nevertheless, I think I can live with you as a neighbour in the same country, even if we disagree, thats what I wanted to say.

I can't tolerate everything. Injustice must be punished. However, stripping people of their basic human rights for no reason than they are different is barbaric.

 

[Blackflag421]

The Republicans and Democrats vote the same on 90% of all laws/resolutions that come up, and only differ on a very few issues. While the GOP does claim to be fiscally conservative, they aren't, as most of their roll is filled with neocons. Neither side seems to care about civil rights, and breaking campaign promises is EXPECTED. Obama promised to stop prosecuting people for marijuana offenses (federal law) when they were complying with state laws that made it legal in their state (medical). This hasn't happened, and his drug czar says "legalizations is not in our vocabulary." He promised to close gitmo, and now it's "I promise to close gitmo.... eventually."

George Bush was no different! He campaigned AGAINST Clinton's involvement in overseas military operations, and we all know what happened during his 8 terrible years in office.

While the NWO trolls go a bit overboard in some of their assertions, they happen to have a bit more truth in their arguments than we like to think. Fun fact: Out of the top 20 contributors to McCain and Obama's campaigns, 7 were financial institutions, most of who we bailed out when they gambled and lost. Former military member McCain had less donations from members of the military than Ron Paul.

Big business bankrolls major politicians, and if they don't bankroll you, you're probably not getting elected (unless you're filthy rich already). Corporations are the main financial backers of major politicians - they're in the business of making money, so why would they "donate" all this money to a politician unless they expected to get something out of it?

Jon Stewart on the daily show (to Ron Paul): That's what's so interesting about Congressman Ron Paul is, you appear to have consistent, principled integrity; Americans don't usually go for that.

 

[NBAfan]

The Republicans and Democrats vote the same on 90% of all laws/resolutions that come up, and only differ on a very few issues. While the GOP does claim to be fiscally conservative, they aren't, as most of their roll is filled with neocons. Neither side seems to care about civil rights, and breaking campaign promises is EXPECTED. Obama promised to stop prosecuting people for marijuana offenses (federal law) when they were complying with state laws that made it legal in their state (medical). This hasn't happened, and his drug czar says "legalizations is not in our vocabulary." He promised to close gitmo, and now it's "I promise to close gitmo.... eventually."

George Bush was no different! He campaigned AGAINST Clinton's involvement in overseas military operations, and we all know what happened during his 8 terrible years in office.

While the NWO trolls go a bit overboard in some of their assertions, they happen to have a bit more truth in their arguments than we like to think. Fun fact: Out of the top 20 contributors to McCain and Obama's campaigns, 7 were financial institutions, most of who we bailed out when they gambled and lost. Former military member McCain had less donations from members of the military than Ron Paul.

Big business bankrolls major politicians, and if they don't bankroll you, you're probably not getting elected (unless you're filthy rich already). Corporations are the main financial backers of major politicians - they're in the business of making money, so why would they "donate" all this money to a politician unless they expected to get something out of it?

Jon Stewart on the daily show (to Ron Paul): That's what's so interesting about Congressman Ron Paul is, you appear to have consistent, principled integrity; Americans don't usually go for that.

I agree.
Bush was a fiscal socialist.