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Corporations can not be owned. That would be to defy it's very definition. Instead, they are controlled by having a "stake" in the shares, or stock of the company. Even having a 51% share doesn't mean you "own" it, but only control it, for the time being.


Remember though, any rights you strip away from a corporation, you strip also from Non-Profits, Unions, and similar organizations. You walk on sand here.

A person-hood can be regulated differently if non-profit or profit. For example, foundations have other taxing (or even none) than "normal" economical person-hoods. The charade some rich people do is then to create a foundation (to save taxes) and let it exercise political goals they set, disguising it as "charity" or "research".

For example, in Germany, a very important publisher, who aquired TV-stations as well, and founded the Bertelsmann-Group - an aquivalent to Trump or Murdoch -
made up a "charity", the Bertelsmann-foundation whose goals are to present and educate the public in a neo-liberal manner, presenting their ideas in pseudo-"neutral" way, represented by "experts" in talkshows and editorials or even slightly ideologically tweaked "news" etc. They launched campaigns in the huge media outlets the group owns, covered by other big media corporations of the same political thinking (like the Axel Springer Group, owing "BILD" for example) and influenced the politics very strongly, presenting their "reforms" as the only viable option for the future. The campaigns started when the conservative gov was voted off in '98. Thereafter we had lesser regulation for hedgefonds, lesser corporate income tax, lesser taxes for the rich in general. Under an alleged social democratic gov! The influence of this foundation over the gov was enourmous and still is.

Can we accept these "foundations" to exist like that, saving the rich tax money by donating it to present their very own political goals instead of giving it to the community for wider solidarity? I think no! The social contract is undermined by that.
My point is, that if we even have the problems with fake-foundations, then what about the responsibilities of corporations in general? They even are serving their very own interests much broader, regarding lobbying, like writing the laws regarding themselves for the govs, etc.
Doing so, shall they actually be able to exercise political control but not have individual responsibility at all, like politicians do? I think lot of them would really act differently - of course they could set straw men for that, but would they be really that arrogantly and perky then? I guess it's something that should be tested at least. To keep the status quo doesn't help anybody, exept those who already have enough and don't give it away exept for high interest rates.

There should be a tax for money that isn't used. If you can't hold money but have to invest it or it will expire, lot more economical dynamic will be generated, giving even the little ones a real chance to close the gap to the big players; right now for the most people - as hard as they work - it's merely a fairy tale that every one can achieve anything any time - the big ones control that very tightly - socialism for the rich, that is - oligarchy for the rest.
 
I've heard enough. You're all crazy, Elvis isn't dead, he's in hiding with JFK and John Wayne waiting for all of mankind to be united so they can produce a "We are the World" type song that will be the only song allowed on the radio.

Just agree to disagree, because none of you are convincing the other you are right. Myself included. Mankind has had its good points (beer, ping pong, and Civ games) and its bad (Hitler, Stalin, Milli Vanilli). It doesn't really matter anyway.
 
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
— Ambrose Bierce

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
— Thomas Jefferson
 
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
— Ambrose Bierce

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
— Thomas Jefferson

From my sig, which quotes Voltaire,

"A witty saying proves nothing"
 
From my sig, which quotes Voltaire,

"A witty saying proves nothing"

Hmm, by your own witty quote's logic, the fact that you have it as your sig quote proves nothing, yes? :D

Just kidding.
 
Hmm, by your own witty quote's logic, the fact that you have it as your sig quote proves nothing, yes? :D

No Jest. It is contradictory in nature, to be sure. It does say one thing though. That I like Voltaire's quotes.

How about this one then:

"Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them."
- Samuel Palmer
 
No Jest. It is contradictory in nature, to be sure. It does say one thing though. That I like Voltaire's quotes.

How about this one then:

"Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them."
- Samuel Palmer

:lol:

That sure stifles academic debate because most of it is basically quoting or paraphrasing and analyzing the quoted or paraphrased sources :D.
 
My god, this is the thread of the undead, I thought after 10 days, surely it wouldn't come back to life.
 
My god, this is the thread of the undead, I thought after 10 days, surely it wouldn't come back to life.

:moaning and shambling toward you:

:my arms are slowly raised to your neck level:

:my mouth open into "eating" position:

HEY COZART! HURRY UP AND GET OUT OF HERE! ZOMBIES ARE HERE!
 
Don't panic ! It's not because he tried to bite your cheek off that he is aggressive ! He's just showing that he loves you !

This was an information note from the Gentle League of Innocuous Necromancers
 
Oh, I know, I was there during the Great Adolf Hitler flame... well it wasn't a war, maybe police action. Does that work, the Great Adolf Hitler police action of 2009? I agree though flaming zombies are a bother.
 
Oh, I know, I was there during the Great Adolf Hitler flame... well it wasn't a war, maybe police action. Does that work, the Great Adolf Hitler police action of 2009? I agree though flaming zombies are a bother.

It is good enough for me, I did say it was nearly a flame war.

Of course, since this the "Adolf Hitler" thread, I think this is now we have Flaming Nazi Zombie thread. My god...what have we created?!?
 
Flaming Nazi Zombies...

Wasn't that the plot of a movie once? If not, I got dibs on it.
 
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