AG13 - OCC Demigod

[Aggie]

I had a look at the save a bit better. Our gpt is magnificent. This may allow us to go the Copernicus path when we are able to get Astronomy. But that means that we should switch to a wonder prebuild sooner rather than later. Next player's call I'd say.

I just remember from the previous OCC game (emperor) that we lost a lot of speed and money by getting Shakespeare. Later in the game this got us in a nasty position. Only the fact that we got ToE made our situation hopeful again. Astronomy however is a required tech to get to the next age. So that's another story.

I see culture by far as a less desirable win. I do believe that conquest or space are still valid options. We appear to be in control, more so than the emperor OCCC.

 

[LKendter]

This may allow us to go the Copernicus path when we are able to get Astronomy.

My worry is by the time the Industrial Age arrives we simply can't keep up on science. One city is lousy for revenue and research. I want this to give us a chance to not fall to far behind in tech.

 

[microbe]

It's a very difficult decision to make.

If we go for Copernicus, we need to research Education/Astronomy ourselves. There is currently no wonder to prebuild with I think. We may make it, but it's hard to tell.

Otherwise, we'll not be able to keep up in tech by self-researching, but we could steal or buy. It is doable as we didn't get Copernicus in the emperor game either. With Sipahi we can rule the world for a long time, so tech isn't a big issue to me.

The problem is Persia is clearly running away in tech, and we need to stop it.

I am currently a bit inclined to beelining to sipahi. Do we have saltpeter?

 

[Aggie]

I don't think that we should research Education. We get it from TGL. We can buy saltpeter from...Persia!

 

[Gyathaar]

I had a look at the save a bit better. Our gpt is magnificent. This may allow us to go the Copernicus path when we are able to get Astronomy. But that means that we should switch to a wonder prebuild sooner rather than later. Next player's call I'd say.

I read this just as Astronomy was available, so I decided to go for Copernicus

300AD, turn 0:
Persia will give us saltpeter and 57 gold for silks, but we have no need for saltpeter atm.

IBT:
Hittites start Sixtine, and then Leo's

310AD, turn 1:
nothing

IBT:
Persia and hittites ally vs summeria
Persia offers us RoP for alliance vs summeris.. no deal

knight -> knight

320AD, turn 2:
nothing

IBT:
As normal watch a lot of persian and Summerians fight it out by our borders

330AD, turn 3:
nothing

IBT:
zzzz

340AD, turn 4:
notice our income has gone up despite builing units, and see he have gotten more tourism income

both inca and persia has education now, so GLib will expire next turn

IBT:
we learn education

knight -> university

350AD, turn 5:
Persia has astronomy

disband a regular warrior in istanbul and shortrush the university with a courthouse

IBT:
University -> sixtine (as prebuild for copernicus)

360AD, turn 6:
We will now reach 20k in 2042AD, so that option is still open.


370AD, turn 7:
nothing

380AD, turn 8:
Persia has banking now aswell..

IBT:
summeria want RoP and alliance vs hittites, say no

390AD, turn 9:
nothing

400AD, turn 10:
nothing

410AD, turn 11:
I see that peace deal with summeria will run out, so I turn off always reneg deals.

IBT:
Summeria renegs the peace deal despite the fact that I turned that off ?

420AD, turn 12:
the extra gold per turn from the peace deal is gone, so down to 60gpt now (since working high shield tiles for the prebuild)

IBT:
summeria and inca sign peace

430AD, turn 13:
persia and inca has printing press..

sell chemistry to incas for PP and 25gpt (one tech closer to shakespares if the AIs should research that)

Steal costs from persia seems to go up around 40 gold per turn, so decide to stop waiting for them to sell astronomy, and attempt a safe steal (could finally buy it now, but it would cost everything we had)

Safe steal is successful, take astronomy.

Copernicus due in 8 turns.

440AD, turn 14:
nothing

450AD, turn 15:

Copernicus is due in 6 turns. Noone else is building it, thou it could fall to a cascade since Leo's and Sixtine is still not finished.

The save

 

[Aggie]

Nice going Gyathaar. But as I see it we can get ourselves a lux and get luxury to 0%. Cops is a very nice extra if we'd get it. We now only need banks besides the obvious huge stack of Sipahi.

EDIT: I'd consider getting Cops a small miracle. It normally gets eaten in a cascade.

EDIT2: Our research speed would be very decent at 100%. We'd get Metallurgy in 12. Not that I like full research. I'd rather go the safe road. We need the money.

ROSTER (15 turns in peace time, 10 turns when at war):
Aggie
Microbe
ThERat
Gyathaar (just played)
Greebley (up)
LKendter (on deck)

 

[ThERat]

lots of things to comment:

after getting copernicus, we should focus on MT again. I'd say self research yes, if we can profit from it via trading. The reason I went for bold (and of course) lucky steals was simply due to the fact, there wasn't even a tech trading possible any longer and we couldn't afford to just sit and watch Persia run away. We need to raze some of their key cities.

sell chemistry to incas for PP and 25gpt

this is exactly what I hoped for, tech brokering. and the reason I went for the steals

unfortunately salt is very far off to grab as a colony. I spotted some in Hittite and Inca land, but very far away. Trading with Persia is the only viable option. So, we need to get it, upgrade and then attack them 20 turns later

By the way, during my turns we were extremely lucky, that Harran was razed. When Persia took that town and subsequently send in a lot of units, I was so angry. you should have seen my face, when that town suddenly flipped
it took my a while to realize what happened, because the the turn sequence is Hittite, Sumer, Persia. I even reloaded later on just to see that again and laugh

 

[microbe]

I see no reason of full research after getting MT. Just follow AI research. The point is to slow AI (especially Persia) down, not by profitting from brokerage.

 

[Aggie]

I see no reason of full research after getting MT. Just follow AI research. The point is to slow AI (especially Persia) down, not by profitting from brokerage.

I even see no point of full research to get MT. Same reason. I like the way things are going now.

 

[ThERat]

I saw no reason for self research at all as well. I meant, only if we could get a tech ourselves for a follow up 2fer or so, then it would make sense. stealing and mongering our way up is the way to go for us with 0CC, copernicus doesn't change much.
are we still seeking Shakespeare or do we focus solely on MT and sipahi?

 

[microbe]

stealing and mongering our way up is the way to go for us with 0CC, copernicus doesn't change much.

Self-research is better if we get those scientific wonders.

are we still seeking Shakespeare or do we focus solely on MT and sipahi?

Persia is running away so we cannot waste time on the optional techs. We can build it when AI research it for us.

 

[Aggie]

microbe: couldn't have said it better myself. Shakes only if we stumble upon it. Newton might be a more logical choice. But Sipahi are our first priority.

 

[Aggie]

Greebley, do you know that you are up?

 

[Greebley]

Ok, I got it. A bit of a feast mode for me.

 

[Greebley]

Preturn: No Changes. Persia has Banking.

Early: Waiting for Copernicus

Mid: We get Copernicus and start a Colosseum (we may be able to go to 0 lux and the culture is nice).
Sistine and Leo's are completed. The Cascade is broken.

Late: Get Colosseum and we can lower Lux to 0%
There is a 2-fer avail if a steal works (steal Physics and trade for Banking).


560 AD:Safe steal fails and we are at war with Persia.

IBT: We have a Pike and some knights on our Iron. Persia loses 4 immortals, but kills a pike and a knight.

570 AD: We attack and kill 4 Immortals.
Buy Banking for 35 gpt and 460 gold (want Banking now to get addl money)

IBT: Not attacked on the mountains.

580 AD: Kill 3 Immortals

590 AD Kill 3 Immortals

600 AD: Don't attack this round.

Notes:
We are building a Bank that will be done in 2 turns.

Did some leader fishing. Got an Elite knight. Elite Horse generated no leader.

I kept on the 20K to keep it viable. The war was unfortunate, but unavoidable if we are going to steal our techs.

[Edit: I saw no reason to take out Tyre unless it gets a border expansion.

 

[LKendter]

ROSTER (15 turns in peace time, 10 turns when at war):
Aggie (on deck)
Microbe
ThERat
Gyathaar
Greebley
LKendter (currently playing)

 

[Aggie]

Bad luck on the steal, but we can't win them all. I'm happy to see that Sumeria and Persia are still at war. And that we are able to face this big foe and even can aford building a bank instead of troops.

I hope that Persia doesn't get the opportunity to outresearch the rest of the tribes without us able to profit from it. And I hope that Sumeria and Persia don't make peace soon.

As war as I can see our biggest challenge is that we on the one hand have to get our techs and maybe even saltpeter from Persia but on the other hand don't like to see them grow even more. We had a similar situation in AG10, with France as our biggest friend but later on our biggest foe. But this is evil Persia, not nice France...

 

[ThERat]

Bad luck on the steal, but we can't win them all

the best part of it is, that the steals during my turns were 2 immediate and 1 careful and once we try safe, we get war
at least now we are far better prepared.

as for salt, I can see only one solution. build up knights, and get salt, upgrade them all and then beat Persia up

 

[Gyathaar]

I kept on the 20K to keep it viable.

We will now win in 1982AD by 20K if we build no more culture buildings (and dont mobilize or sell off existing buildings)

 

[Aggie]

We will now win in 1982AD by 20K if we build no more culture buildings (and dont mobilize or sell off existing buildings)

So we now have this as a back-up for a back-up. This has been done before and is nothing extremely special. Let's try to achieve that now