Ahmadinejad claims full nuclearization within a year.

[GenMarshall]

Can we invade them NOW and toppel their Theocratic Government and tear down their nuclear program before they use the technology against us?! .

 

[Kozmos]

Let them solve their problems in a language they all understand....ultraviolence. Worst case scenario they will get nukes and there will be a nuclear shoot out in the Middle East. Lots of Muslims and Jews dead. Me atheist, me dont give a damn.

 

[Princeps]

Israel has been extremely responsible with its WMD, not using it even though it close to destruction, can you say the same about Iran and its chemical WMD?

Compared to Israel, Iran has been like an angel of peace. Frankly. There are not Iranian troops invading other countries.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

They have allowed IAEA inspectors to inspect their facilities. Isreal and Pakistan have not even signed the NPT nor allowed inspection of any facilities. I would say Iran is a good deal more 'responsible' than either Pakistan or Isreal.

What have Pakistan and Israel done that makes them irresponsible nations?

I know that Iran has used chemical weapons before, in the Iran-Iraq War. Of course, so did Saddam, but that doesn't excuse the fact. Granted, Ahmedinejad was not the leader then, but it is the same fundamentalist regime.

I'm sure with Israel you will refer to terrorism and the like, that's fine, I'm not arguing that there are Israelo terrorists, but is it a state sponsored institution, as Iran's is? The same with Pakistan, do they have regiments of suicide bombers marching down the streets of Karachi? For all the animosity between Pakistan and India, have either expressed the desire to wipe the other off the face of the map, as Iran has to Israel?

 

[nivi]

Compared to Israel, Iran has been like an angel of peace. Frankly. There are not Iranian troops invading other countries.

And what about the WMD use?

If israel would have done the same you'd be all up in our case. Hyp-hyp-hyporacy.

 

[skadistic]

Compared to Israel, Iran has been like an angel of peace. Frankly. There are not Iranian troops invading other countries.

So hezbola and other terror groups that get arms and funds from Iran....................................

 

[Stylesrj]

I got an idea. I say America should attack Iran soon and cripple their nuclear program. The Iranians will not get a nuke, and America does not worry about Iran getting a nuke. Problem solved, unless of course the Iranians buy a nuke off Russia. I think a few packs of cigarettes could buy off a nuke from Russia (and collapse their economy)

There, problem solved. Act fast Bush, act fast!

 

[amadeus]

Compared to Israel, Iran has been like an angel of peace. Frankly. There are not Iranian troops invading other countries.

You're either a fool or a liar if you think not "invading other countries" is the only prerequisite for being a peaceful country.

 

[Princeps]

You're either a fool or a liar if you think not "invading other countries" is the only prerequisite for being a peaceful country.

See this post.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4780214&postcount=57

Now, is Iran really that aggressive?

Or is it just black painting like always.

So hezbola and other terror groups that get arms and funds from Iran....................................

Your point?

I wasn't saying that Iran is a completely peaceful state, but compared to Israel it very much is so. Israel is a terrorist state with a complete disregard for human rights and international laws. And you see, while Iran supports organizations that resist oppression and aggression, US supports ruthless regimes - in fact one is just north of Iran. Azerbaijan.

Another example of hypocrisy.

"Azerbaijan is a modern Muslim country that is able to provide for its citizens and understands that democracy is the wave of the future" - GWB

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

I got an idea. I say America should attack Iran soon and cripple their nuclear program. The Iranians will not get a nuke, and America does not worry about Iran getting a nuke. Problem solved, unless of course the Iranians buy a nuke off Russia. I think a few packs of cigarettes could buy off a nuke from Russia (and collapse their economy)

There, problem solved. Act fast Bush, act fast!

Well F*CK U... That is highly offencive to Russians like me.

Cigarettes. HAH!

We prefer Cigars...

But seriously. Dont screw with the motherland...

Anyways...

Amerca's got nukes. Russia's got nukes. China's got nukes...
It doesn't matter...
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So long as u have a bomb shelter


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[StarWorms]

I think there's a glitch here: Isn't the Manhattan Project meant to enable nukes for all players?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I've yet to see any actual evidence supporting the idea that Iran would go bonkers and attack Israel with no provocation in ten years just because they might have nuclear weapons. Okay, so the Iranians (both the current administration and the general public) might not like Israel, but that doesn't mean they're suicidal. Their current actions in the region are carefully planned and executed to get them into the position of regional power broker, they won't throw that away by engaging in open total warfare. Power brokers rarely go to war.

Why don't you people realize that politicians in the Middle East are exactly like those in the west? They don't care about the rhetoric they espouse, they don't care about the supposed religious aspect of their governance, it's all just pandering to the masses to try and stay in power. Vote buying. Just like in America, no politician truly cares about family values or gay marriage, he's just spouting whatever BS he thinks is the current public fad to get another term.

The Iranian government values stability and have no desire to see their nation razed to the ground just because they "hate" Israel. So what? Cambodians hate Thais, Lao hate Thais, everyone hates the Vietnamese and the Koreans hate anybody. But we've no wars over here. Iran is an increasingly modern and moderate nation, its people increasingly urban and educated. They simply won't throw it all away just because they one day might have the means to destroy Israel.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I think there's a glitch here: Isn't the Manhattan Project meant to enable nukes for all players?

The Iranians don't have Space Flight yet. Or Uranium for that matter.

 

[boarder]

Israel has been extremely responsible with its WMD, not using it even though it close to destruction, can you say the same about Iran and its chemical WMD?

Why yes you can, in the iran/iraq war Iran didnt use chemical weapons even though they had them and iraq killed approx 100 000 iranians using chemical weapons, but they had been banned as unislamic by the ayatollah so Iran never used them, kind of like the Fatwa issued by the ayatollah regarding nuclear weapons now.

 

[Ayatollah So]

in the iran/iraq war Iran didnt use chemical weapons even though they had them and iraq killed approx 100 000 iranians using chemical weapons, but they had been banned as unislamic by the ayatollah so Iran never used them, kind of like the Fatwa issued by the ayatollah regarding nuclear weapons now.

Taking my name in vain, eh?

 

[Princeps]

And what about the WMD use?

What WMD use?

 

[JohnRM]

Why yes you can, in the iran/iraq war Iran didnt use chemical weapons even though they had them and iraq killed approx 100 000 iranians using chemical weapons, but they had been banned as unislamic by the ayatollah so Iran never used them, kind of like the Fatwa issued by the ayatollah regarding nuclear weapons now.

As far as I know, to be perfectly fair, this is true. Iran did not use Chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran War.

 

[boarder]

Taking my name in vain, eh?

what a amazing coincedence

As far as I know, to be perfectly fair, this is true. Iran did not use Chemical weapons during the Iraq-Iran War.

"shrug" I wouldnt have said it if it wasn't true

 

[Sidhe]

I've yet to see any actual evidence supporting the idea that Iran would go bonkers and attack Israel with no provocation in ten years just because they might have nuclear weapons. Okay, so the Iranians (both the current administration and the general public) might not like Israel, but that doesn't mean they're suicidal. Their current actions in the region are carefully planned and executed to get them into the position of regional power broker, they won't throw that away by engaging in open total warfare. Power brokers rarely go to war.

Why don't you people realize that politicians in the Middle East are exactly like those in the west? They don't care about the rhetoric they espouse, they don't care about the supposed religious aspect of their governance, it's all just pandering to the masses to try and stay in power. Vote buying. Just like in America, no politician truly cares about family values or gay marriage, he's just spouting whatever BS he thinks is the current public fad to get another term.

The Iranian government values stability and have no desire to see their nation razed to the ground just because they "hate" Israel. So what? Cambodians hate Thais, Lao hate Thais, everyone hates the Vietnamese and the Koreans hate anybody. But we've no wars over here. Iran is an increasingly modern and moderate nation, its people increasingly urban and educated. They simply won't throw it all away just because they one day might have the means to destroy Israel.

I quite agree, were not talking about rational politics here, the term your looking for is playground politics and both sides are equally responsible for such posturing. Iran as it stands is far from absolved from the ME crisis, but then neither is the US or Israel, I find it hard to understand the sort of biased talk that goes on there, if you want to talk on a level playing field, create one, atm it's just we are right and you are wrong without a real consideration of the complexity of the situation. To my mind it needs smart diplomatic people in the right places, but because of the atmosphere created in the Middle East you're unlikely to see it from any side.

The fault though is not solely in anyones corner, this is an endless cycle of stupidity that level heads would never of created. What we need in the Middle East is impartiality, without it you might as well sit back and watch idiots divolve themselves from reality and further into crisis.