AI+ v13.1

[elWappo]

Additionally some settle operations get "Operation Change Target INVALID" statuses now, whatever that means (on both the default and a custom behavior tree). It's stopping them from settling is all I know.

I can confirm the default (sans AI+) behavior is not settling as much. I tested this by giving each AI 4 starting settlers on Deity, and by turn 109 several AI's still had not planted all their settlers yet even though they had good riverside starting spots available nearby; the settlers would just shuffle around endlessly.

Also, another possible issue was discovered by Isau in his "Quo's Combined Tweaks", here, which states the following (in reference to the new Summer patch):
From Isau: "This small update attempts to correct a possible bug on Firaxis' part that is resulting in civs being too ready to move from neutral to friendly and to formally declare friendships.

• Changed min threshold for a Civ to declare friendship to 15 (up from 5)
• Changed min threshold for a Civ to flip from neutral to friendly to 5 (up from -5)"

Hope this helps with your AI+ v11 update!

 

[View619]

Good to see you're still around, Siesta Guru.

I hear you on the limited tool-set, you've done a lot of work with what's available regardless of what anyone wants to say. Nothing wrong with signing off until Firaxis actually opens up the mod tools for you guys. Thanks for all the effort!

 

[Morgawr]

What is your expectation / best guess for full mod set to be made available? Months or years?

 

[Siesta Guru]

I can confirm the default (sans AI+) behavior is not settling as much. I tested this by giving each AI 4 starting settlers on Deity, and by turn 109 several AI's still had not planted all their settlers yet even though they had good riverside starting spots available nearby; the settlers would just shuffle around endlessly.

Also, another possible issue was discovered by Isau in his "Quo's Combined Tweaks", here, which states the following (in reference to the new Summer patch):
From Isau: "This small update attempts to correct a possible bug on Firaxis' part that is resulting in civs being too ready to move from neutral to friendly and to formally declare friendships.

• Changed min threshold for a Civ to declare friendship to 15 (up from 5)
• Changed min threshold for a Civ to flip from neutral to friendly to 5 (up from -5)"

Hope this helps with your AI+ v11 update!

That does help, thank you! That does sound like it'd be a huge impactor on the love fest happening right now

What is your expectation / best guess for full mod set to be made available? Months or years?

The dll of Civ 5 was released fall 2012, 2 years after release. Following the same schedule, we have about a year left. But it could obviously just as easily be tomorrow or never. I'd be surprised if they released it before a first expansion though

 

[Siesta Guru]

So, I did some changes to try to fix things. I moved aggression back up again, so wars happen again. Some settling issues have been made a little better so that they're less likely to stay stuck at only a few cities. In addition I did some small tuning tweaks here and there on yield preferences and diplomacy.

Here's what I have so far if anyone would like to test it out in real games, I have to do most testing in AI only games myself because of how long real games take. Some real game feedback would be awesome if anyone is willing to try. This is not really a full fledged release yet though, so there may be issues.
Edit: nvm, removed link for now. Found a major issue

So far my impression is that while some of the bigger problems that started appearing over time are made a little better, this version isn't as good as v10 was when it was released. They do sometimes take over entire civs again (though not as often), usually have decent expansion rates and have decent tech rates, unit counts and victory times. But a couple of things have gotten plain worse, the causes of which I haven't been able to diagnose (and it's likely outside of what I can touch). Main ones being:
- Settle spot evaluation seems to have changed in a way that makes forward settling more likely.
- They frequently ignore cities in sieges again, instead taking ages to clean the units up. Except of course when they should focus on the units first.
- Max unit limit on operations no longer functioning, which often makes them run 20 units along with a settler instead of attacking something with them. An example:

Spoiler :

. Of course as is typical, despite this massive escort, none of the units are actually directly guarding the settler.
- Barb scouts now seem to capture civilians regardless of the barb homeland tactical moves (this used to be how you could change whether they would). This really hurts some AIs early game and barb settlers are everywhere

 

[Siesta Guru]

Ok. Here's a new update with a couple of further improvements, mainly to settling behavior.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdwxowlq5fqexqu/AI+ v10.6.rar?dl=1

 

[Smity2k1]

Ok. Here's a new update with a couple of further improvements, mainly to settling behavior.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wdwxowlq5fqexqu/AI+ v10.6.rar?dl=1

Gah! I just started a game last night...

I will say on v10.5 one large civ got taken out completely early game and all civs seemed to have built plenty of units but never seemed to position them outside their borders.

onto v10.6!

 

[Siesta Guru]

Thanks for trying it Smity Let me know if you encounter anything interesting! I'll try to get a full release in during the coming week

 

[Smity2k1]

I played a partial game on prince and a complete game on emporer yesterday using v10.6. No glaring issues from what I saw. AI declared some surprise and formal wars on me and did a fine job of (forward) settling. No other mods.

I just started an immortal game yesterday evening and nothing else to report. Looking forward to playing more!

 

[Siesta Guru]

Siesta Guru updated AI+ with a new update entry:

v11 - Summer patch fixes

- Summer patch related fixes to expansion and warlike behavior

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[Smity2k1]

Siesta Guru updated AI+ with a new update entry:

v11 - Summer patch fixes



Read the rest of this update entry...

Nice!
Is this going on the Steam workshop?

 

[Siesta Guru]

Alright the new version is out. I hope you'll all enjoy it.

In this version the AI isn't as warlike as it used to be after the launch of v10, but it should be more so than after the summer patch. The sim-city skills of the AI should be quite a bit better than before too. AI Science victories around 1900 seem decently common on emperor+.

Unfortunately I couldn't fix some of the summer patch oddities, such as the AIs coming up with trade offers they won't accept and the ancient era nuclear power comments.

 

[Siesta Guru]

Nice!
Is this going on the Steam workshop?

Yep, it's up now.

This version isn't too different from the one you were already trying Smity, so you don't have to start a new game.

 

[V. Soma]

for v11 being out!

Siesta, have you seen this post about some SQL changes?
Can it be some sense for you?

 

[Smity2k1]

for v11 being out!

Siesta, have you seen this post about some SQL changes?
Can it be some sense for you?

That just reduces the cost of producing units, I don't think that is the point of improving the AI

 

[Siesta Guru]

Yeah I've had my own balance mod in the works for a while, which happens to make the AI much stronger. While it makes a huge difference in AI capabilities, I wouldn't want to merge it into AI+ since not everyone likes balance changes, and since many would like different ones.

Not sure if I'll ever end up releasing the balance mod though. I don't really play the game enough anymore to know how the balance has evolved and the mod still needs a lot of work.

 

[V. Soma]

I play v11 on a fractal map with Quo's Combined Tweaks and Combat Stacking Overhaul mod

AI does not settle... I have 3 AIs with 1 city and 2 with 2 cities in turn 100 (of 330) - they HAVE place...

EDIT: I have 4 cities

EDIT2: game is set to NO BARBARIANS...

And yet they manage to have army and science - on smoother mod King level

 

[Siesta Guru]

Well, that's not good..

Is the map very water heavy? Not settling is a persistent problem on watery maps below emperor. Haven't been able to find a fix yet

 

[V. Soma]

Well, that's not good..

Is the map very water heavy? Not settling is a persistent problem on watery maps below emperor. Haven't been able to find a fix yet

Well, yes, the map has long but not very wide lands - but the AI HAS plce for 3-4 (coastal) cities...

 

[Siesta Guru]

It's a strange issue for sure. On watery maps below emperor, even if there's space, the AI often refuses to build settlers. My hypothesis had always been that they consider most spots to be terrible spots because of the lower coast yields and end up not meeting the minimum threshold required to build a settler (no settler 'operations' and 'contracts' are ever started when this happens). I've tried exploring that by increasing their spot valuation and by decreasing the threshold on watery maps but with no success, so I'm not sure if that is the reason. I'll try to have another look at it when I have some time. Perhaps there's some alternative way of fixing it that I haven't found yet

Meanwhile, I'd recommend either playing on emperor+ or on land heavy maps like pangea/continents.